An update of UEFA Referee Categories is expected on next days. Let's predict the new Elite referees.
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The new categories for UEFA referees are expected to be released soon by committee. There has been an intense work by all members throughout group stage of both Champions and Europa League. Many referees have been followed very closely in all their games. The final choices have been already made.
Just have your say about the referees you think could join the top category of UEFA officiating. The list you can find in the poll (alphabetical order by country) tries to include all the possible options, but feel free to add your names as comment on the blog, if you have different ideas.
When categories will be released, we will discuss then the results of the poll.
Who will be promoted to UEFA Elite Category?
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I tried to add in the poll the most likely names, Category 1 referees with at least one presence in Champions League in recent times allowed to officiate with VAR (this should be most important criterion).
ReplyDeleteOne could maybe add José María Sánchez Martínez if appointed for his debut on next week, but at moment I don't see him candidate for a promotion, given also the Spanish situation with three Elite.
There shouldn't be other names.
It is interesting to point out that referees like Madden and Jug are added in this list by years and especially regarding the Slovenian, the age plays still in favor of this choice.
I'm missing an option: no one.
DeleteIMHO: Ekberg, Stieler, Massa. Others, maybe in June.
ReplyDeleteBased on appointments I would say Stieler for sure and then probably Massa and Ekberg. But IMo there are to much elite referees already, unless they are planing to demote certain group of referees but somehow I doubt it (Collum, Sidiropoulos, Aytekin, Kralovec)
ReplyDeleteYes, but IMO, they should do those demotions of referees, who aren't really appointed as Elite referees.
DeleteSidiropoulos at least five CL matches in the last two seasons, but the other three should go down, I think.
Especially, as there are several good candidates for promotion, who are getting more and better CL (and NL) matches.
Slovenia has 2 elite referees and it is a small country... So I think Jug has a small chance.
ReplyDeleteAppointments - Bundesliga Germany
ReplyDeleteMatchday 10:
4th December
20:30 Hertha BSC - FC Union Berlin
Felix Brych - Mark Borsch - Stefan Lupp - Robert Kampka
[Christian Dingert - Frederick Assmuth]
In addition, Deniz Aytekin is appointed as VAR for today's 2nd division match Holstein Kiel - VfL Bochum.
DeleteHow serious is/was Aytekin's injury? Is he recovered?
DeleteToday's match is his first appointment this season.
DeleteOne can expect him to be appointed as VAR on the next matchdays.
However, I don't think that he will return on the pitch in 2020.
At the time of his injury, his goal was to return as referee for the second half of the season (i.e. in January)
DeleteI don't think anyone really deserves it. In the past (with small exceptions) you had to be almost faultless to get promoted and this season all of the candidates didn't avoid severe mistakes or visible points for improvement in their games. I would say the biggest surprise came after the unexpected appointment for Jug as he really excelled in both CL games. He would deserve the promotion but there are already two elite Slovenian referees, so rather no chance. But well, I risk to say UEFA refereeing is political as never before, so I expect promotions of referees from big/politically strong federations like GER, ITA, SWE...
ReplyDeleteWhen was the last time a referee from ITA/ESP/GER/ENG was demoted from Elite (except for international retirement)?
DeleteFlorian Meyer (GER) was the last one (from the 5 big nations) demoted from the Elite on January 2013.
DeleteSo, no one in the last 7 years (!), which means it is very unlikely that it will happen now.
DeleteI only remember Florian Meyer for his terrible mistake in ATM-VAL of 2010 Europa League :D
DeleteI expect no promotions. Maybe only a few after Euro.
ReplyDeleteDo someone know when is referee com. Meeting?
ReplyDeleteI think Lawrence Visser (Belgium) because he was the youngest who was promoted from group 2 to group 1 last time.
ReplyDeleteOther referees who may be promoted to the Elite for me are: Alejandro Hernández Hernández (ESP), Andreas Ekberg (SWE), Sandro Schärer (SUI), Srđan Jovanović (SRB) and Andris Treimanis (LVA).
Visser first has to receive a UCL game, before promotion.
Delete1) Massa
ReplyDelete2) Ekberg
3) Stieler
I think Stieler, Massa, Ekberg and Gözübüyük
ReplyDeleteGozubuyuk and Massa
DeleteImo apart from Ekberg, I don't see any promotion now. But if you ask me who deserves, Stieler, Massa, Jug, Ekberg and Palabiyik deserves to be promoted. Stieler will replace Brych, Massa will replace Orsato, Jug - Skomina and Palabiyik - Cakir.
ReplyDeleteBased on the appointments and performances of the last six months; Ekberg and Stieler are in my opinion ready for Elite. Aytekin should therefore be out.
ReplyDeleteMassa will be promoted because he is Italian and a second one is needed in Elite.
The rest of the candidates will have to wait after Euro. Gozubuyuk will replace Kuipers and Palabiyik Cakir.
One last thing to mention is the position of Jovanovic, in the summer he was almost sure of a place in Elite and now we have a total different situation.
Kabakov and Treimanis as well. They were favourites but this season was weak for them unfortunately...
DeleteThere are currently 27 Elite referees. The number is too much considering that most of them are not used as real Elite.
ReplyDeleteSo I believe that UEFA should demote a few Elite to make room for fresh names. IMO there are 5 real candidates for demotion. Aytekin, Kralovec, Sidiropoulos, Collum and Zwayer.
I would promote Stieler, Ekberg and Massa (on that order).
Zwayer will never be demoted
DeleteIf he continues performing like that, he will!
DeleteIs Kralovec still an active referee? I do not recall seeing him assigned any UEFA match in the 2020-21 season.
DeleteA Nations League game, and this is very strange.
DeleteNo appointments with a referee available on paper never happened in recent times with UEFA Elite panel. Very likely the troublesome situation in Czech Republic has contributed to that... and before out, he had been out for a long time for injury.
And an EL appointment for Kralovec, IIRC.
DeleteThat is not enough for an active referee: either he gets games or leaves the Elite spot to someone else who will get regular appointments.
DeleteMassa, Stieler, Ekberg and Gozubuyuk in January.
ReplyDeleteFor me Massa, Stieler and Ekberg
ReplyDeleteAnyway I fully agree with nost of you: there are too many élite referees and some of them are not consider as élite on the appointments. With full respect for Kralovec, kulbakov and Aytekin (just as example) they cannot be placed at same level of Brych and Kuipers. Real pool of élite is composed by 16 - 18 officials, no more
ReplyDeleteUefa should demote, IMO, Aytekin, Gil Manzano, Koulbakov, Kruzliak, Vincic, Kralovec, Collum, Sidiropolous and Bastien.
Same for me is the list of 1st class. More than 30 referees with a huge spread amore them. Does it male sense può at same level i.e. Stieler and Aranowski?
Probably an additional class would better group same perfomers.
If will happen, promotion of Massa, Stieler and Ekberg would be mainly political
*most
ReplyDeleteEkberg, Massa, Stieler, Scharer.
ReplyDeleteGozubuyuk, Stieler, Massa, Ekberg
ReplyDeleteI expect Stieler and Ekberg, as well as Massa.
ReplyDeleteBased on treatment and appointments it is obvious that internaly elite category is divided into REAL ELITE (e.g. Kuipers, Brych, Cakir,...) and ELITE THAT WE WILL APPOINT AS CAT1 (e.g. Bastien, Sodiropoulos, Collum). Furthermore CAT1 is divided into POTENTIAL FOR ELITE (e.g. Stieler, Massa, Ekberg, Schärer), EXPERIENCED REFEREES THAT WE TRUST (this is basicaly the same as elite group with Bastien, Collum, Sidiropoulos but here this refers to Madden, Buquet, Pawson...), YOUNG AND TALENTED (e.g. Jovic, Visser, Nyberg, Meller) and OTHER (e.g. Aranovsky, Lechner, Estrada Fernandez,...).
ReplyDeleteMaybe committee should introduce PREMIER and PREMIER DEVELOPMENT categories again, expecialy now when new club competition will start. Anyone have idea how will they appoint referees? Elite for Champions league, First category for Europa league, First/Second for Confederation league?
I completely agree rearding your first paragraph. I wonder, whether that is also seen (spoken about) like this internally in UEFA - or they just do the appointments like that without having those sub-categories in mind.
DeleteMaybe it would even make sense to have categories according to the competitions, i.e. one group of CL referees, one group of EL referees, one group of Conference League (CoL) referees with 35-40 members each and one group with the rest.
Then for EL KO stage, CL referees will cover games, and for CoL KO stage, EL referees will cover games.
I think, most national associations handle it that way, with referee squads per league.
Fully agree with Referee 12
DeleteI heard rumours that the elite category will be expanded, but it is only rumours, will see.
ReplyDeleteI will try to write about all referees who is potential could be promoted in Elite with my explaination.
1. Kabakov, Treimanis, Ekberg, Jovanovics, Kovacs (already in Elite)-this five are more talented referees in Europe from small countries. UEFA focused on them long time. They all were in U21 and WCU17 final tournaments in 2019 ( Treimanis and Jovanovics did the finals), they are young and equal referees, last year was very successful for Treimanis and Jovanovic and they were ready to Elite, but promoted was Kovacs. 2020 better is Ekberg, other referees couldn’t recover and reach their level.My view-Ekberg goes to Elite, because of performance and after Erikson, Sweden need elite referee. For UEFA it is also politically-one referee must be in Elite from Scandinavian region. Other three let’s hope next summer, Kovacs as we know, got ‘’wild card’’.
2. Germans – Stieler and Siebert. It is very obviously based on appointments for Stieler he will be promoted to Elite-such huge football country need minimum three elite referees. But it is huge advance for him, despite of big push from UEFA, he needs a lot of improvements, not the best performance compare with another 1st category referees. His advantage is country of born and not godd performance of Aytekin/Zwayer.
Siebert-next German elite referee, two or three years and he will be in, but now to young.
3. Guida and Massa. 100% Massa will fly to Elite, absolutely, even all his marks was below 8, it doesn’t matter, such country with big refereeing traditions have only one elite referee, reputation disaster for them. Guida-not deserved yet, but he is Italian and Mr. Rosseti behind, Italy need referees in EURO.
4. Serdar Gozubuyuk- start of this season before Covid, was poor performance, but autumn with 3 UCL matches and stable and good performance, has a very good chances be promoted. Dutch referees have big lobby in European refereeing and they need elite referee after Mr. Kuiper, my prediction now or latest in June-promotion.
5. Paweł Raczkowski- he is performance not so good compare with other rivals and looks not big trust from uefa.
6. Robert Madden- having in mind his age and that one Scottish already in elite and Collumn performance this year much better than Madden, also appointment compare with last season weaker. I think no chance in this year But Mr.Dallas could help, will see, my prediction maybe next year.
7. Sandro Scharer- Swiss need Elite after long time without, after Bussaca and Mayer nobody. Very talented referee with very good UCL debut and performance this year, but need time to show potential for long time, his young and still has time. Not now, but 2-3 years will be elite referee.
8. Matej Jug-this year the biggest surprise, his performance in some matches is questionable, but acceptable, still trust from uefa, maybe because of Skomina injury. I really don’t believe for promotion, because of age and three Slovenian in elite it is too much.
9. Ali Palabiyak- last match in UCL showed that his is not ready for big step, a lot points for improvements, but still with potential. I think good replacement for Cakir in the future, but not now.
So, my prediction is: Ekberg, Massa, Gozubuyuk, Stieler.
But will see, I will not be surprised if will be more promotions for political reasons, uefa referee officers became more politics.
What do you mean when you say that Kovacs got a wild card?
DeleteI guess Anonymous meant that there was no reason to promote Kovacs while not promoting Kabakov and Treimanis.
DeleteKovacs in 2019 was not better then other, but was promoted. Why? I dont know
DeleteA geographically-expanded Euro would need more elite referees. A third UEFA competition will require more referee appointments, so maybe new names will arise.
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ReplyDeleteStop insulting please.
DeleteIf she is being considered for EURO and if the international lists are truly gender neutral... wouldn't now be the natural time to place Frappart in the Elite category?
ReplyDeleteIm quite sure that Frappart and maybe Monzul will be in EURO. And not only in reserved list, but like active referees
DeleteYes, it would be. Let's see whether UEFA sees it the same way.
DeleteWell, if she is selected for EURO, it would be natural to also put her in Elite group.
DeleteIf we only consider her previous appointments, First group would be more suitable.
But anyway we can't expect UEFA to put her into a male catgeory at all (or join male and female groups).
I agree that it would be great to have a female in the elite category, but I really don't think she has the experience yet, especially compared to some of the other potential promotions
DeleteI think you have missed my point @anonymous. I don't think it's great (or not great) to have a female in the Elite category. If Frappart deserves to be there, then she should be added. If she does not, then she should not.
DeleteBut... if she does not deserve to be added to the Elite list, why should she go to EURO? That's my point. If she goes to EURO and doesn't get added here, it's laughable.
To answer to your initial question, Frappart is already in the Elite category for many years.
DeleteThe most deserving of all these is Jovanovic
ReplyDeleteNot Obrenovic? :)
DeleteObrenovic will come soon , my dear italian friend
DeleteI hope to see him on md6 EL debut. He deserves the chance!One of most talented young referee...
DeleteI also hope to see Obrenovic in MD6.
Delete... as a fourth official.
DeleteRegarding Monzul, one should watch the full game, especially second half, to have a detailed idea about her performance. However, these are the last minutes before final whistle:
ReplyDeletehttps://streamable.com/uqabe3
After seeing those last minutes, I think that she did lose some control for sure.
DeleteHowever, I wouldn't be too harsh.
One must definetly say that the player behave like little children or something like that.
And in addition, those players should be punished with cards.
Her desperate tries to calm the players down weren't successfull and the players should be consequently booked.
Unfortunately, Monzul lost full control of situation and lost respect from the players. In principle of active reaction and fast booking, she could avoid confrontation and players unsporting behaviours.
DeleteIndeed. However we must also blame the players, that scene looked like a comedy sketch!
Delete@Flip
DeleteAbsolutely agree, I wouldnt blame her at all, it can happen to anyone with players being like that and in 90+5'. She should improve in some part her body language and reactions in such situation, but she was calm and focused and with experience she will get better.
Some of the elite referees that many people here like would get annoyed and act like their ego is the most important thing ("this is my game, I have the control here"), the style that can be effective but is also not something to put in guidelines...
If this chaos happened to a male referee you all would crucify him.
DeleteOkay that is a huge mess. Clearly Monzul had no idea what to do. She was really all over the place.
DeleteTo me it is rather clear that that kind of performances should not be seen in the second best club competition in Europe.
Agreed with both @anonymous's here. We'd CRUCIFY a male referee for this.
DeleteThis shouldn't be a female versus male argument. We need the best referees at all times. Frappart is light-years ahead of Monzul.
This is extraordinarily poor. No presence. No recognition of why there is dissent (the initial flag and, indeed, her assistant's call were in the other direction). A yellow card for a clear case of VC. A dissent yellow card flashed casually with no eye contact or communication. Poor body language. The list goes on.
Also, the players may be behaving poorly, but it's 95 minutes into the match... ask yourself WHY they are behaving like this and how often you see such behavior toward the end of a match in a European setting?
Admin, please make the same prediction for EURO2021
ReplyDeleteCheferin, Do you know when is ref committee meeting for revision of referee category?
ReplyDeleteI don't know the exact day, sorry.
DeleteCheferin seems a nice mix between Chefren and Ceferin, but I'm not UEFA president :D
thank a lot,sorry because of my mistake
DeletePeljto.
ReplyDeleteGood referee but first he needs to make CL debut.
DeleteBTW, which do you think will be EURO U21 referees? For next tournament team spots have been extended to 16 so I expect 9 referee crews to also extend to 12. My prediction:
ReplyDelete-José María Sánchez Martínez (ESP)
-Maurizio Mariani (ITA)
-Christopher Kavanagh (ENG)
-Ali Palabiyik (TUR)
-Sandro Schärer (SUI)
-Pawel Raczkowski (POL)
-Irfan Peljto (BIH)
-Nikola Dabanović (MNE)
-Fran Jović (CRO)
-Donatas Rumšas (LTU)
-Fábio Veríssimo (POR)
-François Letexier (FRA)
My 12 names would be:
DeleteMassa, Palabiyik, Siebert, Raczkowski, Schärer, Petrescu, Dabanovic, Jovic, Kehlet, Reinshreiber, Ardeleanu, Tohver
But due to thes split tournament it's not completely clear, whether there will be a fixed team of referees for it or just single appointments for the games, I think.
BTW, a lot of referees will be needed in March 2021 with 3 full matchdays of WC qualifiers + 24 matches U21 EURO.
Indeed, I think that, given also the current situation with Covid, it is more likely to expect single appointments for this tournament, without an official call for a certain group of referees. To be honest, it was already something similar in occasion of previous edition, referees were selected but without official statements...
DeleteBelgium unfortunately has very little influence (if not any) in Committee and is too small but Visser is a real strong candidate ; he is the first Belgian who really could make a career as De Bleeckere. But of course, he will need political support. If not, too bad to come from a small country (although our national team is already for 2 years number 1 on Fifa list !). Come on Committee, Visser deserves on MD6 a first CL game
DeleteTop of the table Bundesliga match tonight (18:30)
ReplyDeleteBayern München - RB Leipzig: Daniel Siebert, Lasse Koslowski, Jan Seidel, Christian Dietz - Tobias Welz, Rafael Foltyn
Rather unusual appointment on a Saturday after an EL match for Siebert, but that shows again, that he was only a replacement on Thursday.
Appointments - Bundesliga Germany
ReplyDeleteMatchday 10:
5th December
15:30 SC Freiburg - Mönchengladbach
Tobias Stieler - Mike Pickel - Christian Gittelmann - Daniel Schlager
[Günter Perl - Eduard Beitinger]
15:30 Frankfurt - Borussia Dortmund
Guido Winkmann - Christian Bandurski - Arno Blos - Manuel Gräfe
[Deniz Aytekin - Markus Sinn]
15:30 FC Köln - VfL Wolfsburg
Sven Jablonski - Norbert Grudzinski - Sascha Thielert - Tobias Reichel
[Markus Schmidt - Markus Häcker]
15:30 Arminia Bielefeld - FSV Mainz
Marco Fritz - Dominik Schaal - Marcel Pelgrim - Alexander Sather
[Martin Petersen - Thomas Stein]
18:30 Bayern München - RB Leipzig
Daniel Siebert - Lasse Koslowski - Jan Seidel - Christian Dietz
[Tobias Welz - Rafael Foltyn]
In addition, Bastian Dankert is appointed for today's 2nd division match Hamburger SV - Hannover.
DeleteMoreover, Christian Dingert is active in 2nd division today as VAR in the match Eintracht Braunschweig - FC St. Pauli.
Furthermore, Harm Osmers referees today's 3rd division match Viktoria Köln - TSV München.
Kevin Blom has today his Coronatest in he Netherlands and is ready for Matchday 6 in the Champions League. Maybe has Makkelie again appointed for M6. Source : Instagram Story by Kevin Blom
ReplyDeleteIn Ekstraklasa match Marciniak will be main referee with his assistants: Sokolnicki and Listkiewicz, so it’s high possible that he will appoint for M6.
ReplyDeleteIt is "mandatory" for committee to appoint him, there aren't almost oter names for MD6 important games!
DeleteTo be honest, if there was any performance principle, he should be out from any big games this season after so many clear and obvious mistakes made in almost every game he handled...
DeleteHowever, it is also true that he paid for that with some suspension during this group stage. I still think he is excellent referee, his path to Elite was something outstanding, then maybe he had a small difficult moment with less motivations, but when in form he is among the best referees one can see. The recent problem has happened due to some very clear black out, not so much in terms of overall performance, but single incidents wrongly assessed with some more than blatant mistakes. Committee needs him.
DeleteLevante-Getafe, what a game for referee... Early dismissal in 6' after OFR (studs in the chest in the build-up to goal) and after that Getafe players behaviour is unacceptable. Constant dissent and simulations. I'm so sorry for David Medié Jiménez!
ReplyDeletePORTUGAL
ReplyDeleteNOS League - Matchweek 9
Saturday, 5th December
16:30 Vitória SC-Portimonense SC
António Nobre - Pedro Ribeiro, Nuno Pereira - Cláudio Pereira
[Bruno Esteves, Pedro Felisberto]
16:30 Moreirense FC-Gil Vicente FC
Miguel Nogueira - José Luzia, Hugo Coimbra - Manuel Mota
[Vasco Santos, João Bessa Silva]
19:00 FC Famalicão-Sporting CP
Luís Godinho - Rui Teixeira, Valter Rufo - Dinis Gorjão
[Artur Soares Dias, Rui Licínio]
21:30 FC Porto-CD Tondela
Tiago Martins - Pedro Mota, Hugo Ribeiro - Fábio Melo
[Hugo Miguel, Bruno Jesus]
Sunday, 6th December
16:00 CD Nacional-CD Santa Clara
Vítor Ferreira - Bruno Rodrigues, Valdemar Maia - Anzhony Rodrigues
[Luís Ferreira, Nuno Manso]
18:30 Rio Ave FC-Boavista FC
João Bento - Bruno Trindade, Nélson Pereira - Bruno Rebocho
[Tiago Martins, Pedro Mota]
21:00 Belenenses SAD-SC Braga
Hélder Malheiro - Rui Cidade, Gonçalo Freire - João Malheiro Pinto
[João Pinheiro, Luciano Maia]
21:00 SL Benfica-FC Paços de Ferreira
Rui Costa - João Bessa Silva, Nélson Cunha - João Gonçalves
[Bruno Esteves, André Campos]
Monday, 7th December
21:15 SC Farense-Marítimo M.
Hugo Miguel - Bruno Jesus, Ricardo Santos - Flávio Lima
[Hélder Malheiro, Rui Cidade]
OT
Portugal League 2
Monday, 7th December
19:30 SC Covilhã-GD Chaves
Artur Soares Dias - Rui Licínio, Paulo Soares - Sérgio Guelho
Veríssimo in EL next week ?
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ReplyDeleteIFFHS has lost big credit in recent times in terms of refereeing rankings, but for what it can mean, here the nominations for 2020. It seems as this time they have released only the single names, without full ranking.
MEN: Orsato, WOMEN: Frappart.
Regarding men, as it was most of the times, the referee of CL final is the winner. Not so much to add.
OT
ReplyDeleteOlympiakos - NPS Volos Ref Papadopoulos (UEFA 2nd)
Penalty?
https://streamable.com/nrdknv
Yeah, but why NO card???
DeleteClear penalty.
DeleteIMO clear penalty.
DeleteIn relation to what we have seen last season in Champions League?
DeleteNo penalty.
For me penalty and red
Interesting situation in West London on Man United's first goal the ball was player forward by goalkeeper Dean Henderson to Bruno Fernandez and it looks like the ball went out of play it wasn't flagged by the AR and VAR checked it and the goal was given
ReplyDeleteInteresting situation in serie A, Juventus - Torino, similar to Borussia M. - Inter:
ReplyDeletehttps://streamja.com/P3zR5
Disallowd goal after OFR.
The player in offside was assessed as punishable not for obstructing live of vision but due to the movement made when the ball passed. Last replay is the best one.
Very supportable decision by Orsato.
DeleteIMO correct decision.
Delete@Chefren:
ReplyDeleteJuventus vs Torino. Juventus substitute player Pinsoglio has been sent off (ed card) by Orsato after massively celebration of second goal (90min)
Do you know the reason?
I think he insulted the opponents after the goal scored by his team.
DeleteInteristing Situation in Famalicão (POR)
ReplyDeleteRef: Godinho
VAR: Soares Dias
https://www.vsports.pt/vsports/vod/sporting-cp-golo-anulado-s-coates-90-62236
Correct decision, IMO.
DeleteIMO difficult situation, but in the end it seems to be the correct call.
DeleteVery difficult to spot live, but a correct decision in the end. Could've given Coates a YC for the protest in the end. Hope he did because that's clear dissent IMO.
DeleteShould have been a goal IMO
DeleteNo appointments so far, the same issues we had on previous days...
ReplyDeleteOn Rennes-Sevilla, Stefanski is 4th official. So I guess that Raczkowski is appointed there
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