2021-22 UEFA Champions League group stage Matchday 6, referee appointments for Tuesday's games.
7 December 2021
18:45 CET - Paris (Parc des Princes)
Paris Saint-Germain (FRA) - Club Brugge (BEL) | Group AReferee: Jesús Gil Manzano (ESP)
Assistant Referee 1: Iñigo Prieto (ESP)
Assistant Referee 2: Ángel Nevado (ESP)
Fourth Official: Santiago Jaime Latre (ESP)
Video Assistant Referee: Alejandro Hernández (ESP)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Juan Martínez Munuera (ESP)
UEFA Referee Observer: Francesco Bianchi (SUI)
UEFA Delegate: Mark Bos (NED)
Assistant Referee 2: Ángel Nevado (ESP)
Fourth Official: Santiago Jaime Latre (ESP)
Video Assistant Referee: Alejandro Hernández (ESP)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Juan Martínez Munuera (ESP)
UEFA Referee Observer: Francesco Bianchi (SUI)
UEFA Delegate: Mark Bos (NED)
18:45 CET - Leipzig (RB Arena)
RB Leipzig (GER) - Manchester City FC (ENG) | Group AReferee: Sandro Schärer (SUI)
Assistant Referee 1: Stephane De Almeida (SUI)
Assistant Referee 2: Bekim Zogaj (SUI)
Fourth Official: Alain Bieri (SUI)
Video Assistant Referee: Fedayi San (SUI)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Lionel Tschudi (SUI)
UEFA Referee Observer: Marinus Koopman (NED)
UEFA Delegate: Borja Bilbao (ESP)
Assistant Referee 2: Bekim Zogaj (SUI)
Fourth Official: Alain Bieri (SUI)
Video Assistant Referee: Fedayi San (SUI)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Lionel Tschudi (SUI)
UEFA Referee Observer: Marinus Koopman (NED)
UEFA Delegate: Borja Bilbao (ESP)
21:00 CET - Milan (Stadio San Siro)
AC Milan (ITA) - Liverpool FC (ENG) | Group B
Referee: Danny Makkelie (NED)
Assistant Referee 1: Hessel Steegstra (NED)
Assistant Referee 2: Jan de Vries (NED)
Fourth Official: Dennis Hilger (NED)
Video Assistant Referee: Pol van Boekel (NED)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Rob Dieperink (NED)
UEFA Referee Observer: Jørn West Larsen (DEN)
UEFA Delegate: Ronald Zimmermann (GER)
Assistant Referee 2: Jan de Vries (NED)
Fourth Official: Dennis Hilger (NED)
Video Assistant Referee: Pol van Boekel (NED)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Rob Dieperink (NED)
UEFA Referee Observer: Jørn West Larsen (DEN)
UEFA Delegate: Ronald Zimmermann (GER)
21:00 CET - Porto (Estádio do Dragão)
FC Porto (POR) - Club Atlético de Madrid (ESP) | Group BReferee: Clément Turpin (FRA)
Assistant Referee 1: Nicolas Danos (FRA)
Assistant Referee 2: Cyrl Gringore (FRA)
Fourth Official: Ruddy Buquet (FRA)
Video Assistant Referee: Jérôme Brisard (FRA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Benoît Millot (FRA)
UEFA Referee Observer: Miroslav Tulinger (CZE)
Assistant Referee 2: Cyrl Gringore (FRA)
Fourth Official: Ruddy Buquet (FRA)
Video Assistant Referee: Jérôme Brisard (FRA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Benoît Millot (FRA)
UEFA Referee Observer: Miroslav Tulinger (CZE)
UEFA Delegate: Dennis Cruise (IRL)
21:00 CET - Dortmund (BVB Stadion)
Borussia Dortmund (GER) - Beşiktaş JK (TUR) | Group C
Referee: François Letexier (FRA)
Assistant Referee 1: Cyril Mugnier (FRA)
Assistant Referee 2: Mehdi Rahmouni (FRA)
Fourth Official: Jérémy Stinat (FRA)
Assistant Referee 2: Mehdi Rahmouni (FRA)
Fourth Official: Jérémy Stinat (FRA)
Video Assistant Referee: Willy Delajod (FRA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Amaury Delerue (FRA)
UEFA Referee Observer: Jan W. Wegereef (NED)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Amaury Delerue (FRA)
UEFA Referee Observer: Jan W. Wegereef (NED)
UEFA Delegate: Duncan Fraser (SCO)
21:00 CET - Amsterdam (Johann Cruijff ArenA)
AFC Ajax (NED) - Sporting Clube de Portugal (POR) | Group CReferee: Davide Massa (ITA)
Assistant Referee 1: Matteo Passeri (ITA)
Assistant Referee 2: Alessandro Costanzo (ITA)
Fourth Official: Fabio Maresca (ITA)
Video Assistant Referee: Paolo Valeri (ITA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Massimiliano Irrati (ITA)
UEFA Referee Observer: Elmir Pilav (BIH)
Assistant Referee 2: Alessandro Costanzo (ITA)
Fourth Official: Fabio Maresca (ITA)
Video Assistant Referee: Paolo Valeri (ITA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Massimiliano Irrati (ITA)
UEFA Referee Observer: Elmir Pilav (BIH)
UEFA Delegate: Per Svärd (SWE)
21:00 CET - Madrid (Estadio Santiago Bernabéu)
Real Madrid CF (ESP) - FC Internazionale Milano (ITA) | Group DReferee: Felix Brych (GER)
Assistant Referee 1: Mark Bosch (GER)
Assistant Referee 2: Stefan Lupp (GER)
Fourth Official: Daniel Schlager (GER)
Video Assistant Referee: Marco Fritz (GER)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Bastian Dankert (GER)
UEFA Referee Observer: Markus Nobs (SUI)
Assistant Referee 2: Stefan Lupp (GER)
Fourth Official: Daniel Schlager (GER)
Video Assistant Referee: Marco Fritz (GER)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Bastian Dankert (GER)
UEFA Referee Observer: Markus Nobs (SUI)
UEFA Delegate: Kieran O'Connor (WAL)
21:00 CET - Kyiv (NSC Olimpiyskyi)
FC Shakhtar Donetsk (UKR) - FC Sheriff Tiraspol (MDA) | Group D
Referee: Donatas Rumšas (LTU)
Assistant Referee 1: Aleksandr Radius (LTU)
Assistant Referee 2: Dovydas Sužiedėlis (LTU)
Fourth Official: Robertas Valikonis (LTU)
Video Assistant Referee: Ricardo de Burgos (ESP)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Xavier Estrada Fernandez (ESP)
UEFA Referee Observer: David Fernández Borbalán (ESP)
Assistant Referee 2: Dovydas Sužiedėlis (LTU)
Fourth Official: Robertas Valikonis (LTU)
Video Assistant Referee: Ricardo de Burgos (ESP)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Xavier Estrada Fernandez (ESP)
UEFA Referee Observer: David Fernández Borbalán (ESP)
UEFA Delegate: Lennart Vestervall (SWE)
Well, at least we now know predicting based on previous appointments with the same teams is useless. Good and reasonable appointments though. Happy for Schärer, Nice one this!
ReplyDeleteNot only Makkelie and Turpin, Schärer had already officiated in that group, for this reason I didn't expect him. Committee should really reflect on this situation, while names like Makkeli and Turpin are UEFA "monsters" one can have doubts about the so narrow choice they have. The same team, just one or two games after. I hope for the future this situation can change, but it is very difficult. Time is needed, but also, the big names are really on an extremely high level than the other Elite, difficult to explain in words.
DeleteGood appointment for Rumsas. The last game for Brych in Madrid, as expected, an outstanding career.
Massa with a fourth game, but without any importance for the standings.
I do agree that it would be better to have more “big” referees. But as we can see weekly in Conference, UEL and UCL, it’s not that easy to find those referees. I am convinced that the implementation of VAR makes (young) referees / the new generation not better. They are too much depending on VAR, instead of creating a strong personality. Referees should officiate as there is no VAR. Nowadays referees aren’t that focussed any more and less hunger to grow and succeed, because they know there is help from outside. This way of thinking creates a lack of development in personality and player management. I am afraid that in the future less and less “monster” referees will rise and shine because of this mindset. UEFA and FIFA are in a very difficult situation and are not the ones to blame for. Also, see how often a big part of elite referees needs OFR’s in UCL matches. They are consistently in front of the monitor. What would have happened in times when there was no VAR?
DeleteSchärer is a normal appointment, I think. He had the parallel game on MD1, so no repetition of the same club.
DeleteMassa with his 2nd CL game, this probably means, that he is at least not behind Guida in UEFA's evaluation and therefore in the chances for promotion.
I agree, that it is a bad sign, that UEFA has to repeat Makkelie and Turpin in group B. The reason is not only the lack of top Elite referees (resp. the lack of courage by UEFA to trust less established officials with such games), but also that there seem to be limitations based on previous controversies. IMO, it is unneccesary, that e.g. Oliver still can't do Italian teams after several years. Otherwise he would have been a good alternative in this group.
@Anonymous 12:05
DeleteWell, your last question is surely very interesting. I think that nowadays, without VAR nd with the raised football-money interests by teams, would have been a drama for committee. In this context, true that most of referees, especially among Elite, rely too much on VAR and they don't take decisions. The process to make them develop is very difficult, you are right. The decision making is very difficult to teach, you must already have some skills in your mind, that's why I really like referees like Makkelie, Turpin and a few other ones (Taylor, Orsato are very good but they are different in this regard), every game they officiate by isolating themself and taking big decisions. The hope is to see many Elite referees doing that, but indeed not possible in short times maybe not even in long times...
The best elite referees are those that do not stand in front of that monitor :)
DeleteInteresting set of appointments, indeed.
ReplyDeleteSo why do Turpin and Makkelie get a second appointment in Group B?
I can assume that the teams in Group B are more difficult to referee. Is it a lack of options?
To me, it makes sense that they appoint the best referees to the big/challenging matches. When these referees are in charge of big games it always goes smoothly, with little to no mistakes. It's a safe approach to appoint them to big matches.
DeleteLiverpool already secured the first place in the Group won’t go all-in. So in my opinion Milan - Liverpool shouldn’t be the most challenging game “on paper”, but… Mr Rosetti is very careful when it comes up to Italian teams in general and this is still a very important game for Milan. If they win, the EL spot is theirs and even CL is a possibility if Porto and Atletico draw.
DeleteTo be honest I expected Taylor on the challenging game Porto-Atletico, but Atalanta-Villareal would also be a nice sensible choice. Furthermore, I expect either Orsato or Karasev on Salzburg-Sevilla.
Thank you felix. Have a wonderful match and enjoy the retirement.
ReplyDeleteCL GS debuts this season: Sánchez Martínez, Visser, Peljto, Hernández Hernández, Rumsas.
ReplyDeleteDid I miss anyone?
Meler.
DeleteNo, Meler made his debut last season (Manchester City-Marseille, MD6)
DeleteHow do referees' appointments do not clash between International leagues and their respective country league?
ReplyDeleteThe domestic leagues normally don't have matches midweek, when there is Champions League. There is an international match calendar, which regulates that.
DeleteSo the following day we will have 5 matches that will decide who is going to the next round.
ReplyDeleteWith Elite's such as Brych, Makkelie and Turpin, I assume that the next day we will see some other Elite's...
Maybe Siebert, Mateu, Stieler, Cakir... ?
Well Siebert is away on tournament. I doubt Stieler given he hasn't had a UCL match all year. The English guys might get a game, otherwise the likes of Orsato, CDG and Karasev seem to be in flavour at the moment so I would expect them.
DeleteThe English guys could even be an option for the decisive game ATALANTA - VILLARREAL in group F with Manchester United which will for sure advance to the knockout stage as the group winner. The same counts for the German guys and BENFICA - DYNAMO KYIV in group E. However, UEFA used to avoid such appointments in recent years, as far as I remember.
DeletePeter/Vienna
Do you understand, why Scharer is not suspended for the long period of time due to his mistake with 2 yellow cards in Galatasaray - Lokomotiv EL game?
ReplyDeleteBecause he didn't make this mistake. We talked about the situation on the blog, explanation is that in first case he showed card too early but he didn't write down any booking, so the second showing was the only one and for the previous foul.
DeleteOnly a poor mnagement in terms of waiting before picking card.
I understand the situation, but I thought that such things are unacceptable at such high level
DeleteIs the fact that Turpin is appointed for the more decisive game in Group B (Liverpool is qualified for Round of 16, POR-ATM is decisive for both teams) a signal that UEFA has more trust in Turpin as in Makkelie?
ReplyDeleteIt’s interesting because last season Makkelie had more and better appointments
In the case of a swap between Makkelie and Turpin, MILAN would have two consecutive home games with Turpin. I assume that UEFA primarily wanted to avoid this constellation.
DeletePeter/Vienna
Most likely avoiding negative media attention in advance of the game.
DeleteMakkelie didn’t officiate Portugal or any Portuguese club since the incident in Belgrade. And he issued a straight RC for an Atletico player not so long time ago.
Don't forget the big focus by Italian media on referees, and Makkelie very often is with Italian teams. I'm sure under the eyes of Rosetti this is a big appointment, and it is for me as well, considering also the fact that this is a very classic European top game. For this reason another very big will be in Bergamo, Taylor is my prediction.
DeleteAfter the contested RC in LIV-ATM it was very difficult to see Makkelie again with ATM. Both of them are surely in Top 5 referees at this moment.
DeleteLike someone on this blog recently commented: avoiding negative media attention (regarding referee appointments) seems nowadays the most important for committee.
DeleteBesides that, during the knock-out of CL, it might be interesting to see who gets “the least” appointments. If a top referee gets weaker games during the KO, this is often a sign that a referee is a final candidate and therefore kept under the radar. I remember Mateu being in charge of two EL knock-out games last season. The same applied to Mazic and Skomina.
My predictions for tomorrow:
ReplyDeleteZEN-CHE: Mateu Lahoz
JUV-MAL: Sánchez Martínez
BEN-DIN: Bastien
BAY-BAR: Çakir
ATA-VIL: Taylor
MANU-YB: Soares Dias
WOL-LIL: Hategan
SAL-SEV: Orsato
My predictions:
DeleteZEN-CHE: Aytekin
JUV-MAL: Soares Dias
BEN-DIN: Cakir
BAY-BAR: Karasev
ATA-VIL: Taylor
MANU-YB: Ekberg
WOL-LIL: Taylor
SAL-SEV: Orsato
@ Niklas G
ReplyDeleteMakkelie has been appointed for five group stage matches, which were all important or decisive. I agree they weren't very big posters, although liverpool atletico and croatia russia were big matches. Precisely by appointing him “safely” in GS he can be appointed with a clean sheet in the KO and perhaps he’s favourite for the UCL final.
Cakir for Barcelona vs Bayern Munich?
ReplyDeleteOT: Are there still no appointments for tomorrows Arab Cup matches or am I missing something?
ReplyDeleteI thought Makkelie would have been for ATA-VIL but now I guess it will be Marciniak or Karasev in Bergamo
ReplyDeleteMarciniak is now in Qatar
DeleteAfter nearly a month, Maresca comes back and has Serie A match(Spezia-Sassuolo).
ReplyDeleteFirst 5 minutes and already 2 bookings. :)
I mean they are correct, but then again 2 bookings in 5 minutes is very rare.
Both are 100% mandatory, some people started to guess whether the presence of a referee instead of another one could contribute to this, but I would say no because it is definitely a too short time. Just a coincidence and he had immediately to start with YCs.
DeleteNow 3rd one also spot on.
DeleteMichael Oliver Benfica - Kiev
ReplyDeleteTaylor Bayern - Barcelona
I wouldnt be surprised if red Bull sevilla goes to gozubuyuk. Would fit perfectly in rosettis appointment Policy which favours the Italians and dutchies all the way...
ReplyDeleteRB Salzburg - Sevilla is a decisive game and requires one of the top elite referees.
DeleteMy predictions for tomorrow:
ReplyDeleteZEN-CHE: Gözübüyük
JUV-MAL: Jug
BEN-DIN: Stieler
BAY-BAR: Çakir
ATA-VIL: Taylor
MANU-YB: Kružliak
WOL-LIL: Dias
SAL-SEV: Orsato
Kovacs with a match on Monday in Romania... so maybe he got a game on EL or ECL.
ReplyDeleteThe chances of him receiving one more game in UCL were low anyway. Only group H was open for him but I prefer other names here. Maybe UEL, let`s see. Anyway, a good season so far for him, except the match in Seville.
DeleteReal Madrid is the club, that Brych refereed the most in the CL, now for the 12th time. Could very well be a record.
ReplyDeleteCuriously, it's the first time, that he has a game of Inter Milan.
The highest-ranked club (based on UEFA coefficients), which he never refereed is FC Basel, followed by Lazio. He did the complete Top25 besides Bayern in his career
First time Inter really surprises me.
DeleteFelix is one of my favourites of this century. For me he is a good example of a natural authority without being too arrogant, a manager who has great communication with players, keeping control without issuing too many cards and last but not last: he has a great ability to let the game flow (not whistling for every breeze). The EURO semi-final was a great game to watch, thanks to the referee :)
I hope he has a great last game!
Reason for not having officiated FC Internazionale is that the difficult period of the top club from Milan started after having won CL final with Mourinho in 2010, they didn't reach CL most of times, and the golden times for Brych have been since 2009 - 2010 onwards.
DeleteParticular that henever officiated Basel, that is among top clubs, but indeed explanation should be again that the Swiss team was not all the seasons in CL group stage.
All the best to my all time favorite referee Dr Felix Brych 🙌❤
ReplyDelete25': IMO missed YC for Verratti.
ReplyDeleteGil Manzano stood with a verbal warning but the challenge was (too) reckless for my taste.
Statement by Zwayer
ReplyDelete"I would prefer to clarify this in a personal conversation with Jude Bellingham and have offered Borussia Dortmund such a personal conversation.
I'm not interested in punishment, but in [him] realising that he went too far. I would accept a sincere apology.
Bellingham's statement has deliberately created the false impression that I did not manage the match to the best of my ability. It is personal, disparaging and disrespectful.
Even if one puts oneself in the subjective, emotion-driven perspective, the statement remains far from any professional or factual criticism. In particular, the rhetorical inference to the present and future 'What do you expect' has an insulting and defamatory character. This must not be allowed to stand."
When asked whether a referee should never whistle again if he has been convicted of involvement in manipulation, Zwayer replied: "Why should I counter that? I fully agree with this opinion. I have never been involved in match-fixing and that has never been claimed by any official body. The sports tribunal explicitly stated that there was no 'proof' of 'decisions contrary to the sport with the intention of manipulation' and that I 'resisted any actual involvement in match-fixing [...]'."
Meanwhile Bellingham got a 40000€ fine, but no ban.
DeleteFurther quotes by Zwayer:
Delete"It is also about the radiance on the referees in the amateur sector and the brutalisation in dealing with all referees - including me - off the pitch.
There is a person with emotions and a background behind every referee, player and coach, as well as their families."
"I made the mistake as a young man of not reporting an incident immediately, but only after too much deliberation. That was wrong and I have been punished for it. But that must be the end of it."
Penalty to PSG by Gil Manzano, very soft, close to simulation, but VAR can't intervene. Menawhile, a penalty appeal in Leipzig, correct by VAR to support play on, Schaerer should have whistled it by himself.
ReplyDeleteRC for City by Schärer
ReplyDelete82' Excellent RC by Schaerer. A violent kick from behind without chances to play ball, more violent conduct than SFP.
ReplyDeleteRC by Schärer for Walker for SFP/violent conduct. Definitely Correct IMO. Generally a (very) good perfromance by the Swiss.
ReplyDeleteCorrect RC for Walker (VC) by Scharer,
ReplyDeleteCould have been better if he issued the RC straight away rather than try to stop 'physically' the confrontation and then give the RC after isolating player?
At 77" there was an apparent push on a Man City player in Leipzig's penalty box, and Schärer didn't call anything, but it appeared almost as if he was waiting for VAR to intervene. I think some referees may use VAR as a crutch to correct their missed calls, but unfortunately, as we've seen many a time, VAR is loathe to get involved and no one makes the call. But excellent red card later on Walker.
ReplyDeleteVery good remark. Schaerer gave too much the impression of waiting for VAR, indeed just a few seconds after the incident he looked too much worried, starting communication with earphones.
DeleteOf course if you miss an incident and you want to know more about it, you must do that, but I would say referees must give always the idea to players that they are absolutely "independent" from the technology, playing on and then having a confrontation with VAR only if the latter calls them. In this case it was correct by VAR to play on, but a strong referee rather says to players: "Let's go on...".
Thanks, Chefren. Yes, it shows a lack of confidence in one's ability to overly rely on VAR.
DeletePenalty by Gil Manzano: https://streamwo.com/file/61afb3b3e5576
ReplyDeleteCorrect decision IMO
DeleteThis penalty is too soft for me. VAR correct to not intervene of course, but the trip was soft and Messi fell on his own accord IMO.
DeleteIndeed for me it is a simulation, even more for Italian standards, but VAR can't intervene due to contact.
DeleteSome policemen in riot gear are with Brych and the teams in Madrid before entering the field. Anyone know why?
ReplyDeleteMatch management by Scharer was not so good. IMO he was not going to show RC, the timing of the card make me think that he was advices by another on field or off field official.
ReplyDeleteAfter that situation, every decision lead to protest (reaction) by the players.
I ecpect referees in CL with better match control.
4 minutes in, and you can tell Turpin will be have a tough game managing players. 4 players surrounding referee for a yellow card, for no reason.
ReplyDeleteGood warning from Turpin to the Madrid captain
DeleteOFR in Amsterdam, very clear penalty missed by Massa, correct intervention if you ask me.
ReplyDeleteFully agree
DeleteYes. PK+YC given, clear penalty missed.
DeleteCorrect early YC for SHK99 by Rumsas.
ReplyDeleteCorrect YC by Turpin for POR9 (reckless tackle)
ReplyDeleteLots of (rather unfair) dissent from Atlético players for Turpin now.
ReplyDeletePenalty and RC (DOGSO) by Letexier.
ReplyDeleteFollowed by an OFR, I don't really understand why.
DeleteIMO not a clear red card but never a VAR stuff. Anyway poor management by Letexier
DeleteOFR regarding the RC, but decision confirmed - rather controversial I think.
DeleteOFR in Dortmund and Letexier confirmed penalty and RC.
ReplyDeleteDon't know why this happened, but VAR shouldn't be used in this way.
Pointless OFR.
DeleteMaybe VAR thought about a genuine attempt to play the ball, then suggested Letexier to go to the monitor and advise him about YC.
DeleteBut before there was a quite relevant pushing with the arm, and this is enough to support RC for DOGSO (no attempt to play the ball)IMO.
The OFR was definetly because of the RC, as the penalty is very clear.
DeleteGerman commentators disagree with the decision and TV expert Wolfgang Stark (former FIFA referee) stated that he thinks it's a YC only.
That was one of the most unnecessary OFRs i have ever seen.
DeleteFor me is never RC. YC would have been better
DeleteIm OK with YC also but not with OFR. Decision needs to stay live on the pitch.
DeleteI prefer a YC there due to the near defender (+ the angle). But RC is not a clear and obvious error.
DeleteMaybe Letexier based his decision on a wrong perception and therefore was asked to do an OFR? E.g., he might have whistled for a push without seeing the tripping and VAR thought, only the tripping was relevant - or something like that.
Seems as I'm in a minority but I think this is a totally correct RC. The player is extremely near to the goal and is directed at it with some speed. The other defender has no realistic chance to fairly stop the attacker from a clear goal scoring opportunity. The offence itself is a pushing and a desperated tripping mpvement without any attempt to reach the ball, so Letexier's penalty + RC (DOGSO 'no attempt') decision is certainly a very good one.
DeleteOFR is rather wrong IMO.
OT Willy Delajod's name is wrongly written in UEFA database, with surname before name (Delajod Willy), Italian commentators call him Willy :D
ReplyDeletehahah :D
DeleteDOR-BES [PK By Letexier]
ReplyDeletehttps://streamable.com/bq0tle
Thanks the for the video, I think that maybe Letexier and VAR had different views on the concept of "genuine attemopt to play ball" or not.
DeleteSecond explanation is maybe that VAR was sure about SPA and not DOGSO, given the possible intervention of the other defender, but in this case in my opinion would have been rather a wrong intervention because there are some chances to back referee, the foul happens very close to goal, player is going in the right direction, he hasn't to change direction.
I also think that in this situation most of referees would have issued YC, but to summarize, I think VAR was wrong in intervening there.
IMO penalty + YC, very harsh RC. The pushing with the arm was very soft. I think Rosetti will not be happy with this decision.
DeleteI think it's pretty easily a yellow. I can only assume based on previous RAP videos that UEFA treats a trip as an attempt to play the ball in situations where there have been a clip or coming together of feet. I think this is a more borderline intervention from VAR, but I can see why it was sent down.
DeleteAnyone know if this is Brych final international game?
ReplyDeleteYes, last international game for Brych !
DeleteSpanish VARs for Rumsas are in Kyiv and not in Nyon, source: Estrada Fernandez on Twitter.
ReplyDelete50' blatant protests by AC Milan for a penalty to be whistled by Makkelie but definitely good decision to play on by the Dutch. No contact between legs, just some upper contact, but in my opinion not enough for whistling.
ReplyDeleteInteresting situation in Madrid, strictly according to LotG, Barella should be sent off for violent conduct.
ReplyDeletePerfect by rych and Lupp 100% YC and RC.
DeleteAnd he is sent off right now by Brych, good decision IMO.
DeleteRed Card against an Italian team? I guess, we won't see Brych in Champions League again... ;)
Delete:-D
DeleteDito
Indeed the Italian commentator talks about a very harsh decision, I'm speechless, they can't be objective.
Deletehttps://streamwo.com/file/61afc1b427aad
DeleteShould have been RC for Real Madrid player who pushed his thigh into Italian player's face after or Italian player swung at him, or at least YC for pushing into board and then YC/RC for pushing thigh into face. So I can see why Italians are unhappy.
DeleteDo you have a clip which clearly shows the contact with the knee to the head?
DeleteRC for Carrasco (VC) by Turpin, correct decision.
ReplyDeleteHectic game in Porto by Turpin
ReplyDeleteNow a mass confrontation in Porto, possible violent conduct.
ReplyDeleteDisgraceful scenes.
Wendell sening off is correct, but let me say in this case Atlético player made a bit of scene...
ReplyDeleteThe Madrid player made the most of it, undoubtably.
DeleteIf he stays on his feet, this is never a RC.
I also have to say that the pressure Atlético's squad put on referees is simply distasteful, how little fair-play of them.
Correct? YC at most. Shamefull that the theater is rewarded
DeleteI hope that Hans is not a ref. Stupid behaviour like the behavior of the porto player should never be rewarded with only a YC. Is the behavior nu ATL fair? Not at all, but People should not put their hands on each other. Great RC by Turpin who does what he can IMO. Even Kuipers or Brych would struggle here
DeleteAnd already 3 RC in the game in Porto. Unbelievable.
ReplyDeleteOne of the card is for coach.
DeleteI’m watching the replay right now and I think three coaches have been sent off (as if the 75th minute). Two during the incident where Wendell was sent off and now one in the 75th. The broadcast has so far shown Turpin raising the red card five different times.
DeleteTurpin lost control completely. Now a wrong red card to Wendell. He let the game flow too much.
ReplyDeleteDisagree. Players attitudes are shameful due to result. Not from referee hypothetic lost control…
DeleteVery doubtful RC for Porto for me simulation by Atleti player
ReplyDeleteI must say that I disagree with comments that Turpin lost control, just the opposite I think that his control in both situation with RCs were controled very well. I am also impressed with Turpin calmness in both situations.
ReplyDelete+2
DeleteAnother sending off in Porto, this time in Porto bench.
ReplyDeleteWhat a crazy tense game.
I think that in games like Porto - Atlético all referees would face issues, there isn't any chance to take control over such match, even more if some players decide to act mostly in an unsporting behavior.
ReplyDeleteCompletely agree Chefren.
DeleteSure, but it would be at least a perfect Brych-match
DeleteExcellent management by Turpin IMO. When players don't want to play...
ReplyDeleteMatch in Porto would match perfect with the german doctor…
ReplyDeleteYes.
DeleteWith the style we saw in Belgium Portugal at EURO
DeleteI replied late, but see what you think of my interpretation of stream at https://streamwo.com/file/61afc1b427aad.
DeleteCould have been RC for Real Madrid player who pushed his thigh into Italian player's face after or Italian player swung at him, or at least YC for pushing into board and then YC/RC for pushing thigh into face. So I can see why Italians are unhappy.
Anonymous :D
DeleteWhat a terrible or great (depending upon how you look at it) way to end his international career this poorly tempered match would have been!
DeleteI think it was always going to blow over, Turpin has done well. However, I think he got a bit lost mid Match with letting the game flow and blowing straight away for fouls, rather than look for advantages. Very difficult
ReplyDeleteTurpin is alive in a potentially career-destroying game for another less competent referee.
DeleteInteresting point. I think sometimes its better to whistle fouls early and not give advantage if game is getting out of control, unless, of course, advantage is for a breakaway or promising attack.
DeleteShowing he is one of the very top at the moment, I think a final isn’t out of his reach!
DeleteAgree with Quilava here, this is potentially career-destroying game for less experienced and less competent referee. Up to now, Turpin very good for me.
DeleteI agree with Quilava, another referee would have "died" this evening, maybe somebody would have even abandoned the pitch... who knows, I was impressed by the French, there are only three or four Elite referees at moment who can handle such games without any damage to their career.
DeleteTotally agree. Turpin is quitting very well by a shameful show offered by the players
DeleteLots of red cards today
ReplyDeleteLast minute of added time, Turpin with a penalty call.
ReplyDeleteAfter all what happened, one must underlind that it was very difficult to keep the focus until the end.
https://streamable.com/6ox2wq
DeleteAttacker puts his leg behind the leg of the Atletico player. Awful dive.
DeleteThat is much more a penalty than the Messi one IMO. Not the best angle, but I think from a better angle this could be quite a clear PK. Defender commited, trips the opponent, no contact with the ball.
DeleteAlso, Hermoso the defender is holding his leg after the challenge. I don't see meaningful contact there, so maybe he is trying to get away with the challenge by 'being injured'.
DeleteIn 90th minute, without additional time, last international whistle by Felix Brych who received congratulations from all players and both coaches. Once, again congratulations to Felix Brych on his great career.
ReplyDeleteYes, chapeau, Felix!!! A fantastic referee, one of the best I have ever seen. Very profesional until the end. I will miss you a lot. Respect, Mr. Brych
DeleteI have the game on record as watching the Liverpool game but already seen a pic from Germany and he looks like he wants to cry
DeleteAnd now correct penalty on 95+
ReplyDeleteEven after an incident-free Netherlands - Norway game, Turpin still very much in Dutch focus, with a journalist already 'blaming' Turpin for the game getting ending in chaos (I doubt he has seen the game to be honest)... Sadly, I don't think it will ever change
ReplyDeleteI don't have a problem with Turpin but its not his best season at least internationally it must be said.
DeleteObviously Porto vs Atleti with so much at stake would be an almost impossible job for anyone so can't criticize Turpin too much. But still it should be said RC for Wendell was wrong in my view and several seconds before that episode there was a clear foul in favor of Porto. So instead of a free kick in dangerous position Porto got their player sent-off. I am sure we ll hear a lot from Porto camp about this...
ReplyDeleteTruly one of the best referees of our era says goodbye to the international stage. What a fantastic career Brych has had.
ReplyDeleteI can't wait to see the images of Turpin's sending off and penalty. According to Iturralde González, a former FIFA referee, Turpin is wrong on all three decisions. According to him, the French is a horrible referee.
ReplyDeleteI completely desagree with Iturralde, I can't understand how a former referee can say this.
FC Porto's coach is also criticizing Turpin's job and above all his appointment.
DeleteTurpin did not have to be exposed like this after he officiated Milan x Porto. Terrible management by Rosetti but unfortunately it is something more and more common.
I can understand in a way Gonzalez point, but absolutely supportable and logical for Turpin not to tolerate nasty unsportmanlike behaviour. Yes, he could have said maybe that fouled players exaggarated and that there was not enough force for direct RC in the first situation for example, but why looking for excuse not to send off players who behave like this?!
DeleteIMO both RC are correct.
Challenging evening tonight! Bravo Turpin, this was a very difficult match to handle and the worst spot for champions league. Easy game for Makkelie and Brych. Not the best decision for Letexier in Dortmund with that RC
ReplyDeleteHow was Makkelie?
DeleteHe was very good, foul detection was almost perfect and he was always in full control of the match. There were 2 penalty shouts, 1 for each team. AC Milan penalty would have been very soft, not enough contact for me. As for potential Liverpool penalty it could have been given but the striker made a shot anyway. Interesting situation may be somebody have a link with a video
DeleteThere's talk that Nestor Pitana (Argentina) retiring at the end of the year.
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ReplyDeleteYellow to both would be correct. The elbow is far from excessive force or brutality and the opponent simulated in an embarrassing way.
DeleteSupportable RC IMO
DeleteDespite the theatrics, striking with the arm in the opponent's neck/Adam's apple (and not with a negligible force) with the ball out of play - RC.
DeleteThe long version of the position is below.
DeleteWendell RC [70']
POR-ATL
ReplyDeleteCarrasco RC [67']
https://streamable.com/f78hyn
IMO very clear RC.
DeleteSérgio Conceição, FC Porto coach, criticizing Turpin appointment after the Frenchman was also in charge of FC Porto's game in Milan. He said he can't understad how things like this happen. And it's impossible not to back up his statement.
ReplyDeleteIt is so so avoidable what Rosetti does. He's an outright disaster. So worried about media attention and winds up with such backlash.
European referees deserve a much better manager!
Thanks Dr. Felix Brych for everything, best referee of the last decade leaves the international scene!
ReplyDeleteStanding ovation for Felix Brych. Outstanding carrier. All the best
ReplyDeletePOR-ATL
ReplyDeleteWendell RC [70']
https://streamable.com/3x1up1
No cards in MIL - LIV. Was it a calm match? I couldn't watch.
ReplyDeleteNo Card. However, in some positions it was necessary
DeleteMakkelie had an excellent feeling for the game. Cards were not mandatory, also because of good behaviour of players. Full control and acceptance by everyone. Very enjoyable to watch his management and personality comparing to what I saw in Porto. No players complain to Makkelie, they fully trust his leadership and decisions. In Italian media nobody talks about the referee and that’s the most important. Felix Brych was also very good tonight. Full control and acceptance for his decisions. Great farewell of a big career he had. Turpin lost totally control and because he is too much arrogant and not investing in players relationship, he will never be a good choice for this kind of hot matches. Cakir, Makkelie and Taylor are the right referees for these challenges. Because the are calm and respectful.
DeleteMIL - LIV:
DeleteIn first half there were two situations were Makkelie could have issued a YC to a Milan player. Honestly, it was a nice gesture to the Italian side (who got a very easy 2YC in the Atletico game) that he kept the cards in the pocket.
In second half he could have issued a YC to Liverpool player for an arm pull, but if a Ref already "saved" Milan twice, I can understand why it wasn't issued. Balancing things up, which is indeed a good feeling for the game. The same applied to the penalty appeals: both for a single arm push. Soft calls IMO and those indicidents are never whistled in my country. Maybe in other countries it is different.
By the way, interesting stats. Makkelie was in charge of 23 matches this season and not a single PK whistled. The referees must be intructed by UEFA this summer to not whistle soft penalties anymore.
POR - ATL:
ReplyDeleteI don't know about Turpin. He already looked angry when he entered the pitch. Also when he issued the RC he looks angry and stressed. Like if he is losing control. Just compare that to Brych issuing the RC to Barella: you can clearly see a strong, calm and confident man.
I tend to agree with David. Don't get me wrong, Turpin is a good referee but his style is just not very suitable for hot, emotional, challenging clashes or when players are really dirty. POR-ATL requires a referee that is managing the players for 90 minutes.
Penalty to Porto was too soft for my taste.
DeleteI just watched Turpin's performance in POR-ATM. Here are my thoughts.
ReplyDelete2 or 3 minutes into the game there was a challenge that definitely warranted a yellow card for a studs-to-foot contact. Turpin only called a foul, and I think this incident was a bad way to start out the match for him. It was always going to be a feisty match, but perhaps the YC here would have made things easier. Maybe it wouldn't have. But I think it was a miss either way.
Throughout the match, Turpin was very consistent in his foul selection. He was, for my taste, too lenient; there were a number of challenges that seemed like clear fouls that he allowed the teams to play through. Perhaps this leniency contributed to the mess that we saw, don't blame Turpin in this sense. I will speak more to his consistency in foul selection below.
Turpin's second half was really good! The first 20 minutes were relatively uneventful, and then the red cards brought everything to life. Two correct decisions and I really appreciate his management in both situations. On the first one, after showing the red card, he continued to (quite calmly, I must say) book 3 more players before play restarted, including one near the box only just before the free kick was taken. Then on the second red card, he also sent off two people from the benches, before sending off another one in the 75th minute. This is for sure my favorite thing about Turpin's refereeing approach: he doesn't coddle players and let them get away with such foolishness without repercussions! His response, especially when discussing with both captains after the second incident, seemed like one of "You guys want to act like idiots? Fine, I don't care. The cards you get are a problem for you, not for me." I love that! In this way, I don't look at 5 red cards and say "Turpin lost control", but to me, they are a sign that he was actually quite in control of these tense moments: he correctly identified a lot of misconduct and punished it all accordingly. After that, the remaining 15 minutes were quite simple, because everybody knew that if they did something stupid, Turpin was going to call them out for it. I admire this approach by Turpin in not being afraid to show a lot of cards when the teams deserve it, including red ones.
Back to the subject of foul selection, I thought there was a clear push by an attacker on the wing just prior to the third Atleti goal. Gringore has a perfect view of it, but to me it's a very clear foul and should have been whistled. Prior to the late goals, there was also a high arm by an Atleti defender to the head of a Porto player near midfield that I think Turpin missed. These no-calls are very consistent with his quite lenient approach throughout the rest of the match, so at least there's that, but really, I think his approach was too lenient throughout. Perhaps even a slightly tighter foul selection, even if he has to make this adjustment mid-game and sacrifice some consistency, would have helped avoid these problems.
Finally, no issues with the penalty decision really late on.
So, in summary, I don't think Turpin did everything he should have been able to do to try to settling things down in this game, but other than that, I think it was an impressive performance. I only put a small amount of blame on him for the ugly path the match took, and this blame is overshadowed by his great work during the tense incidents of the second half.
Partly disagree. I truly underline that this was the most difficult game this round and indeed, almost all referees would struggle.
DeleteTurpin handled well when the game escalated, however a referee should always ask himself: was it preventable to issue so many RC's? IMO yes.
Some topics:
-Player management
-Issuing mandatory YC's
-Too much leniency
In the beginning I appreciated the leniency. It can give a strong signal to players that dives and theatre is not rewarded. However, when the game becomes rougher and players more emotional, a referee should keep things more short and sweet. This is all about feeling the game.
In my opinion Turpin lacks something very important: applying the "correct" line of physical play.
ReplyDelete-In games between teams that are well-known for their good behaviour - for example English or German teams - Turpin COULD be a bit more lenient sometimes. I have seen him in a couple matches this season were he whistled for many small things.
-In yesterday's game between Porto and Atlético, he was too lenient.
Therefore, he needs to improve his feeling of the game to keep control of the game.
The first RC was supportable. The second RC was too harsh. The PK was absolutely wrong.
No way Turpin should be in charge of Portugal games in the play-off. Now I can only see Taylor in a potential Portugal-Italy final.
Let's be honest. Turpin's points for improvement are exactly the same as a few years ago. Unfortunately, there is little development
DeleteWhen looking at yesterdays match Porto - Atletico I think there really are two sides to the story regarding Turpin's performance.
ReplyDeleteFirst of all, he took a quite lenient approach in the first 60 minutes of the match. That's not a very bad choice in a match like this for me, because keeping it very short might also cause a lot of stoppages and small irritations.
But then building up to that first outburst (the one where Carrasco was sent off) the game was already getting a bit more tense. Was it recognized by Turpin? Did he change his approach? Not visible, at least not for me. I think he could have done a bit more here. Then the first outburst comes and we see a close-up of Turpin frowning and waving players away. He does not seem to have a lot of contact with players here. Sending off Carrasco is correct, but I think he could have done more here to manage the situation, maybe take a little bit more time to make sure that everyone is cooled down a bit, have a chat with the captains, maybe some other key players, resolve the situation near the box not only by showing Pepe a yellow card but also by talking to players here, connecitng with them.
He didn't do any of these things and then a few minutes later the bigger fight occurred. We don't know if he could have avoided this, but I'm sure he could have done more here to prevent it. Now, once in this situation, Turpin definitely stepped in. Showed the cards that needed to be shown and had a quite intense chat with the captains. This is where he connects with the key players again and where he regains control. That's very well done, regaining control over such a difficult match after everything that happened. In the remaining 20 minutes the heat extinguished and Turpin was in full control over the match.
I think managing the first situation is the 'old' Turpin. He does not seem to connect with players, maybe looking even a bit arrogant there. What he did at the end of the second situation and afterwards is the 'new' Turpin and he kept the game and himself alive there.
So, I disagree with Hans, I think Turpin definitely improved over the last couple of years. Looking back on this game, it was a game with extreme difficulty, he made some mistakes (RC Wendell and penalty both very soft IMO) but what he definitely did right was, as Chefren and Quilava pointed out earlier, keeping the game alive and himself in it, by managing that second outburst very well.
So would I appoint him for a potentially heated match like this one in the near future? Maybe not, but he certainly did not lose his spot among top5/top8 UEFA referees for me.
Thank you Marko. You exactly wrote down what I tried to describe earlier. Indeed, Turpin has definitely improved and I also consider him as top 5-8 at this moment. Agree that he could have done more to prevent the outbursts in terms of managing players and connecting with players. In particular the captains.
DeleteI'm actually glad that Turpin got this heated game with much at stake. When looking at his appointments of the last 3 seasons, he didn't officiate a heated challenging game between two southern teams in the CL knock-out phase. Mostly the typical North-European teams with good behaviours. Nothing comparable to the game yesterday.
So it's good that he got a shot in a game where emotions run so high. I think these kind of challenging games will truly help him to further improve.