Referee appointments for Champions League's Quarterfinals, Second Legs, games to be played on 13 April 2022.
13 April 2022
21:00 CET - Madrid (Estadio Metropolitano)
Club Atlético de Madrid (ESP) - Manchester City FC (ENG)
Referee: Daniel Siebert (GER)
Assistant Referee 1: Jan Seidel (GER)
Referee: Daniel Siebert (GER)
Assistant Referee 1: Jan Seidel (GER)
Assistant Referee 2: Rafael Foltyn (GER)
Fourth Official: Felix Zwayer (GER)
Video Assistant Referee: Marco Fritz (GER)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Christian Dingert (GER)
UEFA Referee Observer: Vladimir Šajn (SVN)
UEFA Delegate: Gijs de Jong (NED)
UEFA Referee Liaison Officer: Pedro Eugenio Muñoz Piedra (ESP)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Christian Dingert (GER)
UEFA Referee Observer: Vladimir Šajn (SVN)
UEFA Delegate: Gijs de Jong (NED)
UEFA Referee Liaison Officer: Pedro Eugenio Muñoz Piedra (ESP)
Liverpool FC (ENG) - SL Benfica (POR)
Referee: Serdar Gözübüyük (NED)
Assistant Referee 1: Joost van Zuilen (NED)
Assistant Referee 2: Johan Balder (NED)
Fourth Official: Anastásios Sidirópoulos (GRE)
Video Assistant Referee: Pol van Boekel (NED)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Dennis Higler (NED)
UEFA Referee Observer: Carlos Velasco Carballo (ESP)
UEFA Delegate: Emil Ubias (CZE)
UEFA Referee Observer: Carlos Velasco Carballo (ESP)
UEFA Delegate: Emil Ubias (CZE)
UEFA Referee Liaison Officer: David Mark Horlick (ENG)
I was actually going to write a comment yesterday about the possibilty of a "lower" Elite referee in Liverpool but thought it's probably unlikely + appointments are already made before first leg results but here we are :D
ReplyDeleteI think the "safe" way would have been Orsato in Madrid and Siebert in Liverpool but I thought there is a high chance that Orsato will be saved for a SF so Siebert is the expected choice in Madrid.
I'm not trying to discredit Benfica but looking at all the other QF matches and first leg results, this is the match where you can take the "risk" of appointing a "lower" Elite referee. I think there just wasn't anyone left of the very trusted officials who could have been appointed tbh. Cakir, Hategan and Karasev are not available, Makkelie and Orsato saved for SF/F, another Spaniard was unlikely after first leg, Jovanovic/Massa/Meler already had CL R16, the likes of Bastien/Aytekin/Sidiropoulus/Dias etc. are out of favour and are not trusted enough for a CL QF. Which leaves you with the new Elite referees: Letexier, Schärer, Sanchez Martinez and Gözübüyük. Out of these four, Gözübüyük seems to be the most trusted.
Btw I'm not saying I agree with the way this is done but it seems quite logical to me tbh. Whether all this is the right thing to do, you have to judge for yourselves.
Can you explain why Soares Dias is now out of favor (so much so as to be placed in the same category as Bastien, Aytekin, and Sidiropoulos)? I haven't followed his situation closely
DeleteTbh neither have I but his appointments this season have been disappointing. He's still without a EL KO match. His appointment in the NL relegation play out could have been a replacement but either way he is ranked quite low by UEFA at the moment.
DeleteWell I guess I was wrong about Dias :D
DeleteI like Siebert, but at this rate the committee will give him the CL final, it seems a bit premature to give him matches of this complexity and importance...
ReplyDeleteI agree, he is a bit overrated by Committee. He probably will get CL final in 2/3 yrs :)
DeleteA cynic might even think that Rosetti deliberately tries to destroy Siebert by these appointments. Orsato is the PERFECT name for this game, experience (especially of such technically demanding games), leadership style, whereas Siebert is a newbie, the Italian only has months left of his (brilliant!) career now.
DeleteIn the end he did well (enough) I think, but Siebert really teetered in the group stage's Atlético vs. Liverpool and also in Villarreal; one can hope that he doesn't fall this time. The recklessness of this appointment, in addition to the randomness of the other (let's wait for the attacks in reply - the shakiness of Porto vs. Lazio was quite the opposite to a CL QF recommendation); oh Mr Rosetti...
At this point, I think that Orsato is injured, because he skipped two Matchdays in serie A but he was not appointed in Champions League.
ReplyDeleteLet's see whether tomorrow he will appear in the other competitions, but it is unlikely, he would have officiated some games in serie A before, in this case.
Very surprising to read Gözübüyük's name in CL KO stage, I didn't expect him for this game. Given that we had Gil Manzano in first leg, we can say that Liverpool - Benfica has been treated differently by committee if compared to the other three clashes.
Also, important to say, Gözübüyük and not Makkelie can mean that the latter is kept for something bigger in CL, otherwise he would have officiated this game.
More generally, I think we should like to see new names in CL KO stage, finally.
About Siebert, I was not sure after Villarreal - Juventus, but it was the same as Marciniak, at first Conference League, then now again Champions. I don't think he will get CL final, my prediction at meximum is Conference League final for him, but surely this one will be a very challenging game for the German and he must do better than Villarreal.
Ah - thanks, in that case I (of course) take my comment back about Orsato.
DeleteHopefully just sth preventive and nothing serious. Orsato is very much needed in a Semi-final (return game!).
DeleteNot so sure about that. Orsato has been appointed for 3 consecutive Serie A matchdays in March, something unusual for Daniele, so maybe Rocchi wants to manage him even considering the final sprint where Orsato will be very important and that in the last two matchdays there were not suitable games for him.
DeleteVery good appointment for Gözübüyük!
DeleteDo you guys think that Gözübüyük is appointed because of his good game thursday (Bodo-Roma) or was this appointment already made?
Yes, it's posible
DeleteSiebert just has these appointments mainly because Rosetti was his trainer... Don't think he is on such a big phase to handle Madrid and City players...
ReplyDeleteRosetti with Rosetti things.
Chefren, thoughts on no game for Cakir? Does that mean that he is done internationally?
ReplyDeleteAfter all happened in Turkey, I think it is impossible to see him again in UEFA games this season.
DeleteI think, for Felix Zwayer it might be rather tough to act as Fourth Official behind Daniel Siebert; an appointment which he, Zwayer, might perceive as a kind of consolation prize and as a sign, that higher ranks are not within reach for him.
ReplyDeleteZwayer isn't a bad referee, just than the match between Bayern and Dortmund a few months ago lowered her career considerably.
DeleteAnalizing the appointments, Zwayer fourth official in that game is only because committee prefers to have an Elite referee as fourth for such games, if possible. So easy to send another Elite from the same country. I think Zwayer himself is aware of that.
DeleteHe needed to do the pause, Anonymous 20:35. He was unable to whistle, was very serious trouble.
DeleteThe RLO's should be swapped.
ReplyDeleteIndeed, I was confused by that
DeleteCrucial mistake for me, sorry! :)
DeleteContender for Cl final definetley Makkelie,I would add Jovanovic for UEl,UECL final this year. If not, than Super Cup
ReplyDeleteFriend, I think Marciniak will whistle the final of the champions, (if no english team arrives) Oliver to the Europa League final and Jovanovic or Siebert to the Conference League final
DeleteI forgot Turpin!!!! Omg, we have many options!! Jesus, help us!
DeleteMakkelie has been appointed to officiate Dutch Cup final PSV - Ajax on Sunday:
ReplyDeletehttps://www.ad.nl/nederlands-voetbal/danny-makkelie-fluit-bekerfinale-tussen-ajax-en-psv~a32ec434/
Dennis Higler will be VAR.
It’s going to be a long year for Him with probably the UCL and still young in age!! His cabinet will be stacked at retirement. In other news, Michael Oliver gets the Sequel of Man City vs Liverpool.
DeleteHi guys, i have a question.
ReplyDeleteHow many referees from europe attended qatar 2022?
Will attend*
DeleteVery likely 9, maybe even 10.
Deleteif there are 10, these are my candidates
DeleteHATEGAN
MAKKELIE
GIL MANZANO
MARCINIAK
OLIVER
ORSATO
SIEBERT
TAYLOR
TURPIN
VINCIC
They agree?
No. Only one from England
DeleteSo, Taylor.
Deleteand oliver's place is taken by Jovanovic or Soares Dias
DeleteHategan's name depends on his health situation, really hope all is well for him.
DeleteThe one of a kind as we say. After the El Classico, two hot derby’s now the Cup Final. Nice weeks for him with very likely the UCL final coming next month. Especially after no QF UCL after many years.
ReplyDeleteguys these are my bets for UEL games (lap)
ReplyDeleteATA-RBL:Mateu Lahoz
BAR-FRA:Makkelie
LYON-WH:Kovacs
RAN-BRAGA:Bastien
This is my prediction!!!
Atalanta-Leipzig:Lahoz
DeleteBarcelona-Frankfurt: Kovacs
Lyon-Westham: Orsato
Rangers:Braga Meler
I am not sure, Kovacs again in Barcelona?
DeleteAnd here the UCL predictions (lap)
ReplyDeletePSV-LEI:Del Cerro Grande
ROM-BODO:Ekberg
PAOK-MAR:Treimanis
SLAVIA-FEY:Orsato
Psv-Leicester:schaerer
DeleteRoma-Bodo:Taylor
Poak-Marseille: Makielle
Slavia-Feyenoord: del cerro Grande
I like this...All are good, we see tomorrow!
DeleteGuys, how is it possible that Orel Grinfeld (ISR) went from refereeing NED-AUT in EURO2020, participated in the Olympic Games and came to referee the Champions League round of 16 (everything last season) and that this season he only has 2 games of CONFERENCE LEAGUE???
ReplyDelete0 Champions
0 europa league
A very, very weak performance (lost control, many missed cards making the game brutal) in Rangers - Slavia before EURO and injury this season. Someone reported also a poor performance in Ludogorets - Olymbiakós in August but I didn't see this game.
DeleteBefore being promoted to Elite on December 2019, he had shown very good performances, to justify the choice by committee.
DeleteUnluckily, after having got the highest rank as UEFA referee, some months ago, he started with rather controversial performances and he missed many opportunities due to that.
I would say decisive moment of his career was the beginning of 2021, when he was assigned at first to CL KO stage with a game like Lazio - Bayern, I think at that time committee had a great trust in him. But this was the turning point, as he didn't manage to convince anymore the months after. Not a positive year, with a very poor EURO, he stayed only with NED - AUT, as you said, then not a good experience at Olympics that summer, surely better than EURO but still he could have got more.
After that, he had to face several injures, to complete a very negative disappointment. Difficult to be back, he should again convince committee, in the middle he had some issues in hot games in Europa League as well.
Oh, I understand, I really thought he would become a level referee, consolidated. I'm sorry for him
DeleteId say they are more deserving than the latter three. However what concerns me more is that we have refs from smaller countries that are equally good as Gozubuyuk or Massa (scharer/visser come to my mind) who do get really overlooked in favor of Nl and Italy. A pity imo
ReplyDeleteVisser surely not. Defintely not. Maybe you wanted to say Letexier.
ReplyDeleteWhat happened to collum he had cl semi final and the super cup final followed by the euros but in the years since he seems to have completely lost all trust from the committee
ReplyDeleteI agree, what happen?
DeleteGuys, what do you think of the CONCACAF referee candidates for Qatar? I am from Central America and I would like to know your opinion. Which referee do you know?
ReplyDeleteImo Rapallini, Tobar, Claus/Sampaio, Valenzuela and Cunha/Ostojich.
DeleteOstojich has missed from big appointments in WC qualifiers after final Copa America and final CWC..
So, Ostojich or Leodan Gonzalez? What referer do you prefer for thr WC
DeleteAlso, Cunha has posibilities
DeleteElfath and Escobar are 100% locks, barring some act of God.
DeleteThere will surely be a Mexican as well; I think Ramos is most likely, but possibly also Hernandez or, less likely, Guerrero.
That leaves one spot if you retain the same number from 2018 (4 main referees). My gut tells me it will go to Barton, but I think Martinez also has a good chance.
Finally I would like to add the interesting case of Jair Marrufo. He has had a very long career and attended the World Cup in 2018 as the "second choice" American referee behind Geiger, and he refereed one game. Then he went and did the Club World Cup Final that year. It seemed he was in line to be the #1 USA referee in 2022, but it has since become clear that Elfath is the #1. Marrufo has faded into the background, not too many big assignments internationally. Is this because he is a known commodity being protected, or because he is taking a back seat? My personal opinion is that he should go - he is, in my view, the most talented referee on the continent right now. It is certainly possible that FIFA takes two Americans - appointing two referees from the same CONCACAF country is not at all unusual for the World Cup; it has happened in 3 of the last 5 editions. It is also possible that he will attend as a VAR, or not at all - no one can say for sure right now.
In summary, these are my predictions (alternative predictions are shown in parentheses):
ELFATH
ESCOBAR
RAMOS (Hernandez)
BARTON (Martinez, Marrufo)
+1, smala017,
Deletei'm sorry for my mistake with concacaf/conmebol
I prefer Ostojich, because as you say, he has lost great tournaments but he whistled the final of the cup america and the club world cup, that gives you a good "sign" towards WC.
ReplyDeleteLeodan Gonzalez (in my opinion) will go as VAR with Cunha.
The case of Uruguay is very interesting to me. You have
Delete- Cunha, who was so trusted as to work the big semifinal in 2018,
- Gonzalez, the frontrunner whose qualification campaign was derailed by two bouts of COVID with terrible timing
- Ostojich, the replacement for Gonzalez in those situations, who mostly impressed
- Matonte, who got a call to the Arab Cup in one of the last moments to prove himself
I have no idea what to make of the situation. I think the spot should go to Gonzalez, or maybe Ostojich, but I have no idea who will actually be selected.
guys, and between sampaio and claus? who do you prefer? Can't they both go to the WC?
ReplyDeleteAs a Brazilian I prefer Claus.
DeleteHe had many finals and act better than Sampaio. Claus is more focused and so on.
But I really think who will go to WC is Sampaio...
Are we talking about CONCACAF or CONMEBOL referees now? 🤔
ReplyDeleteWhoever you want brother, everything goes haha
DeleteWithout wishing to be become too 'the Pepe Silvia meme from It's Always Sunny In Philadelphia', so long as 'we' aren't talking about how 'scandalous' and ridiculously political Gözübüyük's appointment is (and it is completely absurd, to be clear), I don't think that 'they' care.
DeleteNo focus on performances at all, only trying to keep associations happy, avoid controversy or a completely failing mark and you'll be safe, doing everything to undermine the category system so that it doesn't exist, a weak committee (leader) who does everything the politician(s) says - this is the UEFA refereeing scene I know from the WC86-time era, and crazy how we've returned there about 35yrs(!) later.
When we add the crazy guidelines from the winter course (maybe treat the top referees like adults, or at least not like idiots...), I would argue that it is an unparalledly low time to be a UEFA referee (follower).
The only guideline is that you have to be from the Netherlands, italy or to lesser extent spain to get your big appointments at UEFA these days..
DeleteIt bodes well if the trend continues. In that case in 10 years we Will have the Kooij and Vd Eijk at the Elite top.... cant wait to see how that turns out ;)
Mikael, could you expand a bit more on what the guidelines from the winter course are? I don't remember hearing about them.
DeleteVery lenient disciplinary (more so than EURO), make the games artificially exciting by ignoring clear(!) fouls, when the players (naturally) complain about it, more freedom to caution them than usual.
DeleteI have mixed feelings when I read this discussion. In general, I disagree when a referee does not respect the LOTG. I will always disagree when a referee does not whistle 100% clear fouls. On the other hand, I’m trying to reflect and to understand what FIFA/UEFA tries to achieve and what football wants (the players, supporters). In recent years, we have seen many referees that whistled all small contacts. I think, FIFA/UEFA want to get a rid of that, to make games more attractive. Sometimes I do understand when a referee does not issue a YC according to the LOTG, but only if it helps him to keep control.
DeleteLet’s say: the implementation of new guidelines is not going very smooth. The changes are too drastic in a short time and some referees have overshot the floor (not sure this is correct English?). Other referees clearly struggle to adapt and this has impact on their game control.
In addition, another development are the so-called ‘soft’ penalties no longer being whistled.
DeleteI can be wrong, but I assume this is actually one of the (in)direct consequences of the VAR implementation? At first, the purpose of VAR was too avoid big scandals in football. To avoid that a referees carrier would be destroyed after a big fault. After the introduction of the VAR, it was noted that video assistants were looking at all contacts in the box under a magnifying glass (also very small contacts). Players adapted to that and, sometimes, we saw exaggerated reactions from players after a contact in the box. For instance, the attacker of Inter Milan (Dzeko), is very smart and falls after a very small contact, acting like he is hurt. I understand people who say: stupid action from defender. On the other hand, I also don’t understand why such a big guy (192 cm) should fall down so easily. Maybe, not whistling soft penalties is a kind of counter-reaction on these developments? I hope you get my point, my English is not so great. I assume, the referee on the pitch more and more has to evaluate whether the contact is blatant enough to cause a fall?
I’m not sure this is a good development. I think, ‘careless’ fouls (according to the LOTG) are internationally not always whistled anymore? Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Thanks for thoughtful and considered comment(s) Rob_81!
DeleteI broadly with everything besides quite strongly disagreeing actually, that until recently we had a lot of pedantic referees - UEFA (understandably) tried to completely remove such officiating for the last ten-ish(?) years.
If you have the time, watch K. Vassáras's performance in R. Madrid vs. Roma in 2008 - a very good one by the (very good) Greek referee, but one could never imagine such a (relatively) pedantic line in foul recognition as that in today's CL.
The problem with the UEFA guidelines from the winter course is that the tie in impeding-type and contact-type offences as the same thing. I am the first person to celebrate a generous acceptance of contacts in the games, but impeding offences are NOT in the same category; players can never, and will never, be able to run through 'brick walls'. Hence, they get very annoyed when refs turn a blind eye to such offences. I think UEFA should rethink this element a bit.
As a Costa Rican, it hurts me not to see any Costa Rican referee on the WC lists, the only one with possibilities is Ricardo Montero (who was in WC2018) but in the local tournament he always offers bad performances, at the CONCACAF level the same, he never looks good and it is difficult for a referee like this to go to a WC
ReplyDeleteIncorrect. Hall didn't like Montero in the end, so he jettisoned him from all the FIFA pre-list courses, replaced by more-favoured compatriot Calderón. I highly doubt Rizzoli has reversed that, too.
DeleteIf you are going to change the topic so aggressively, at least be accurate when doing it! :P
same bro, Calderon is not a guarantee, sometimes yes and sometimes no, but hopefully one appears on the final list! :]
DeleteI would be really shocked if Calderon is at the World Cup 2022 as a referee. He's very far behind some other candidates, like Barton and Martinez.
DeleteActually, Montero attended the FIFA pre-selected course last fall, Calderon was preferred within Concacaf until 2021 and now the Costa Rican with most appointments in Concacaf is young Herrera (28).
DeleteAbout Montero and the course - that is not what I heard ;).
DeleteAs a Dutch person, I must say that I am both surprised and happy about the Gozobuyuk appointment. In recent years, I have always been a critique of Gozobuyuk and his way of managing matches. But one must admit that this season, his European matches were mostly at good level and he was not undeserving of a good appointment in the KO-stages. Also in the Dutch competition, I see a different Gozobuyuk, much more the referee that we used to see, more focussed, good with players. Maybe it's a bit early and I'd have preferred a Round of 16 match, but I do think Gozobuyuk made a good development and that he earned his matches mostly, this season.
ReplyDeleteIf you had told me before the season that Jovanovic, Meler, Massa, and Gozobuyuk would all make their CL debuts this year, the latter of which in the second leg of a quarterfinal(!!), that would have sounded completely crazy. But here we are. It really highlights the shortage at the top of UEFA refereeing, caused in part by some retirements and in part by some awful luck (Cakir, Hategan, and Karasev being surprisingly unavailable).
ReplyDeleteAdd to the list: Orsato injured, and then as well the complexities due to the high number of English and Spanish teams. Slim pickings for UEFA right now.
Delete@ RikB. The main criticism of people is committee making political choices. Some examples:
ReplyDelete-If Orsato doesn’t have a game for some reason, we will see a KO-appointment of Massa.
-Siebert – I like him a lot – is pushed way too much. Germany wants a successor of Felix Brych at the WC. He is really talented but, dear committee, calm down please. Don’t risk him too much.
-When Marciniak was injured last year, we saw some other Polish refs in the KO-stages. Where are they now?
-We have seen some Dutch refs in the KO-stages when mr. Kuipers was injured.
-Kovacs in a QF CL was probably a replacement for Hategan. The one thing I didn’t understand is why he was assigned to the Atletico game. It was speculated that Hategan was the referee for CHE-RMA. Why would they swap things up if the Atletico game is a more difficult tie to officiate? I don’t get it.
I haven’t seen a lot games of Gozubuyuk. Just the Porto-Lazio game, in which he was a bit shaky. But he was well accepted, he didn’t loose control, no controversies which seems to be the most important thing for committee nowadays. The “main” reason of appointing Gozubuyuk in QF CL is because Makkelie is saved for (at least) a SF CL. To make the association happy. Well, and the fact that the Elite poule is very narrow, and Karasev and Hategan are out, doesn’t help either. Of course. I think, Jovanovic deserves it more than Gozubuyuk.
Totally agree that performances by Jovanovic > Gözübüyük.
DeleteAlas, Jovanovic just had a very high profile EL match (FRA-BAR) under Rosetti, which should have helped his chance to go to the World Cup.
Whereas this CL match can't be expected to be challenging given the score in the first match, so giving Gözübüyük a chance here seems absolutely fair.
Danny Makkelie in charge of PAOK - Marseille in Europa Conference League. https://www.knvb.nl/nieuws/scheidsrechters/aanstellingen/66121/makkelie-fluit-paok-olympique-marseille-conference-league
ReplyDeleteFollowing what happened at the 1st Leg in marseille, this (hostile) match requires an Elite+ referee, so the best option has been done, IMO
DeleteSo he‘s kept under radar to save him for CL-final
ReplyDeleteAnother matchday for Orsato as VAR in Serie A. We may then conclude that he is currently injured.
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Serbian League, direct match for fhe title of champion:
ReplyDelete16.04.2022. 18:00 CET
FC RED STAR - FK PARTIZAN
REFEREE: Srđan Jovanović
AR1: Uroš Stojković
AR2: Milan Mihajlović
FO: Miloš Milanović
VAR: Momčilo Marković
AVAR: Bojan Banović
Very important match, best ref in Serbia is handling, lot of controversial calls have been made in past few weekends so big pressure for Jovanovic.
DeleteGuys, if (hopefully not) Siebert puts in a really bad performance tonight, the only candidates for the semi-finals would be:
ReplyDeleteTurpin
Orsato (if he recovers)
Makkelie
Taylor (if MCI and LIV are eliminated) Kovacs and Jovanovic (why not, young blood)
They agree?
And if I were Rosetti, I would give Marciniak a Conference League semifinal to then give him the UEL final
Why not put gozubuyuk in a SF if he performs great tonight xD
DeleteVincic and Marciniak for sure
DeleteSiebert missed a corner kick decision... FATAL ERROR /s
ReplyDeleteFatal Error?
DeleteI am being sarcastic... yesterday there were some users on here treating a missed corner kick / goal kick decision by Marciniak as if it was a huge mistake.
DeleteAt least YC missed now in 13' in Madrid
ReplyDeleteMissed YC by Siebert in 13'. Just before that a couple of clear fouls not whistled. Not the best start.
ReplyDelete12' Foden hit hard on head and down for two and three minutes and bleeding. No YC?
ReplyDeleteClear YC missed for reckless challenge, warning is not enough.
ReplyDeleteAtlético started then with mobbing, Siebert must be careful.
Spanish teams are not like German ones...
Yes, implausible how it was missed.
ReplyDeleteAccouncer said, "Referee Daniel Siebert is letting an awful lot go, both ways." Let's hope it doesn't spiral out of control and he shows a card or two if needed.
ReplyDeleteIf Seibert had cautioned for the first foul, Felipe would be off
ReplyDeleteYou can't say that because in case of booking by Siebert after first foul, things would have turned out differently. Let's say, referee gave a bonus to Atlético player...
DeleteEven if he was on a YC, no chance a referee would send him off for that foul in a CL quarter final...
DeleteGood start from the Dutch ref in LIVBEN (too long for me to try and spell!!). Has good control and good foul detection
ReplyDeleteGood job to Gozubuyuk, my opinion
ReplyDelete36' Griezman took out Man City player but no call by Siebert by call by AR. Earlier it appeared Foden got tripped in Atletico end and no call, and De Bruyne kicked Atletico player quite hard in Atletico box and no call. I wanted to give Siebert the benefit of the doubt, but a poor performance so far, I'd say.
ReplyDeleteI think people are being too harsh on Siebert for now to be honest. I do think there were some moments where he looked weak (especially in comparison with the great performances of Vincic and Marciniak yesterday), but the game is not a lost cause yet. Let's see how the second half goes first.
ReplyDeleteI think that if we make an assessment based on what we should have expected from a referee officiating this game, without the particular reference that it was Siebert, this assessment should be below expectations, because early YC had to be issued and there were other moments in which referee looked to be a bit in trouble. But if we see things from the specific point of view of Siebert, at this level for the first time and in a very challenging game, we could say that his job overall is still OK. No more than that, though, and personally I think that after Villarreal - Juventus for this game he would have had a different approach, I was wrong.
DeleteSecond half will be now decisive, with Atlético that will try everything for sure. We will see.
Perhaps the missed coution in 12' was a consequence of the "crazy guidelines from the winter course" Mikael mentioned?
ReplyDeleteMaybe. This tendency to forgive cards, especially early in games, is horrible
DeleteAn average first half by Siebert IMO
ReplyDeleteNow Marijo Strahonja, ex croatian ref, criticized Siebert' performance.
ReplyDeleteNot being concentrated enough, allowing too much phisicality and mobbing by Atletico, missed couple corners and he is having problems, he said.
If we remember, he has history of bad management with 'hot and temperamently teams', Napoli-Granada, Besiktas - Rio Ave, his style may work in Bundesliga and fair play teams, but not with Atletico.
I expect even more challenging 2nd half.
The issue is that this is his style, rather than a wrong approach and he doesn't change it, I think committee is aware of that.
DeleteI agree with that Chefren and I think that's why UEFA likes him so much (apart from the obvious push to have a new german top ref). He fully embodies the narrative UEFA have been pushing for the last while (allowing a lot more physical play, letting the game flow, ignoring clear yellow cards).
DeleteI actually don't think it was a bad performance by Siebert so far. Yes he missed a clear YC and there were a few situations where he had some issues but this is a very challenging match. He's trying to let the game flow as much as possible which is risky but he is consistent so far so I don't see any issues with that.
ReplyDeleteWe can clearly say that UEFA's referee pool has never been so narrow. Without big names like Çakır, Karasev, Hategan, Orsato, Makellie, nothing more can be expected from a less experienced Siebert. There are so many mediocre referees, I miss the referees from 1 year ago
ReplyDeleteYep, we can see how much Kuipers and Brych are missed.
DeleteKuipers,Brych,and Çakır
DeleteYes, I was going to ask why there aren't as many top elites as before? Is referee training the answer or just chance or VAR showing/correcting more mistakes than before or has the game gotten more physical and faster? Just throwing out ideas.
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DeleteIf it was Skomina because it was political, Vincic would never have been elite, and if it had been Kuipers, Gözübüyük would not have been bigger. Referees such as Meler, Massa, Gözübüyük and Bastien got these promotions just because they were political, and I think the problems at UEFA will get bigger in the coming years as this continues.
DeleteAnd if Brych were the same, Siebert would never have been elite
DeleteI'm really fed up with your bashing some referees all the time in all the topics. It's not Vincic's, Gozubuyuk's or Massa's fault that Cakir has been banned by the Turkish referee committee. And before you attack me, I agree Cakir was a great referee.
DeleteCakir had some ‘political’ trouble since last year… appointments in EURO2021 were absolutely crazy, totally dominated by GER / NED referees and Cakir sent home at QF instead of officiate a well-deserved SF / F.
DeleteIt's the political promotion of these referees, and there's Meler in it, why don't you see this, the most mediocre referees of the last 3-4 years, and my opinions, if you're tired, don't write anonymously
DeleteHow much aggressive is Simeone, during first half I noticed he argued with Zwayer, now with AR1, reproaching him for having raised flag without waiting for the end of action, he also made VAR gesture, I think this is definitely enough, I would send off a coah like Simeone in the first minute of the game.
ReplyDeleteYes this is ridiculous. The officials are way too soft for Simeone. Same for Koke's gestures
DeleteAgree, unacceptable
DeleteATM-MCI would have been more suitable for Orsato if he wasn't injured. His style matches perfectly the heated atmosphere and behaviour from Atlético Madrid players and coach.
ReplyDeleteOrsato or a Turpin match
DeleteA penalty appeal by Atlético, no VAR stuff in my opinion, to be whistled only by Siebert.
ReplyDeleteNo penalty for me
DeleteNo penalty correct imo.
DeleteFull control in second half by Sielbert
ReplyDeleteOrsato
ReplyDeleteAnnouncers: "It's all going on now all over the field...He's pretty much let everything go. I don't think either coach will be particularly happy with his performance, but he has made for an interesting game." Maybe UEFA likes this type of performance from Siebert for that reason, no?
ReplyDeleteInteresting and poetentially dangerous, I guess.
ReplyDeleteThere we go. The mass confrontation you could see coming in min 89. Siebert has lost control. I would have liked more prevention there
ReplyDeleteThe mass confrontation shows us that Zwayer is by far more used to handle such situations, he immediately helped Siebert being more active than the referee himself and suggesting decisions.
ReplyDeleteI liked him. Now, troubles for continuing the game.
I don’t know,but for me in that’s game is pefect for Zwayer,not for Siebert
DeleteHe was very aware, good work from Zwayer in a nearly impossible situation for Siebert alone
DeleteVery rare to praise a 4th official, they are often unnoticed, but Zwayer has done very well. Was active to support Siebert during mass confrontation and has been busy since - although he has to be more like a childminder for certain people on those benches
DeleteUEFA will be out with the charge book for both clubs in the morning. Clear case of failing to control players
ReplyDeleteGood help from Zwayer indeed. Correct RC for Felipe imo
ReplyDeleteOh dear, all control lost by Siebert. This is ugly and does not make him look good.
ReplyDeleteHe totally lost his authority.
DeleteSiebert completely lost it. How is savic still on the pitch?
ReplyDeleteIm sorry but Siebert is avery good referee, but he is too calm for this hot matches. If he wanna go far in European comeptitions he has to learn how to change his style. I dont understand why he avoids to caution when he has to :(
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Oh Come on a ref at this level has to be able to adapt the style a bit to the match at hand. If Siebert cant he is Just below par for the top top matches. As he has shown tonight
DeleteModern refereeing... or...?
DeleteThat's my interpretation exactly, he is too calm and slow in a game like this. In lots of games that will work, but not in this very intense game with a team like Atletico. The referee needs to be more intense and very active, like the styles we see from South America a lot.
DeleteI think Siebert will struggle in Qatar if he gets teams (especially from Latin America, but not exclusively) who play a similarly emotional, intense, "dark arts" style like Atletico. He needs to be more willing to adapt if he wants to be able to handle these challenging matches.
That said, everything we say here must be taken within the context that this WAS a *difficult* match. Lots of great referees would struggle with it, and none would be able to mind-control players into behaving well.
Siebert was definitely not quick enough to react to the kick out in the corner near 90 minutes. I was hesitant earlier, but can say now that this has been a weak performance, albeit in a challenging game.
ReplyDeleteSimeone does what he wants, I simply don't understand why referees must be so lenient! Let's stop this behavior!
ReplyDeleteAnd for all of that, only YC, it is ridicolous.
Management of the managers in pro football is like the 6-second rule. They ignore it.
DeleteSix second rule still exists? You must be kidding ...
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Siebert in Madrid. I think he needs a beer after the last 10 minutes
ReplyDeleteSimeone should really have been send off...
ReplyDeleteUnclear now the management of added time, maybe too long.
ReplyDeleteSimone was always on the pitch like a player. Where was the 4th referee?
ReplyDelete4th did more than the main referee
DeleteOne of the worst performance from control stand point, totally bad management and I cant find any positives.
ReplyDeleteTo be fair, there aren't many close European matches involving Atletico that can be managed, unless plenty of cards are shown early on.
DeleteOne of the ugliest match ending that I ever saw.
ReplyDeleteI like Siebert, but he wasn't the right ref for this match.
ReplyDeleteIf he wants to be, he needs to show authority early on through YCs for ATH players and sending Simeone off for leaving the coaching zone repeatedly and generally being a douchebag. There really is not team more antisocial in European football than Atletico and the only language they'd understand is clear authority.
I'm glad he finally sent Felipe off though.
Zwayer so good in helping Siebert during mass confrontation, so poor in allowing everything to Simeone, but we can easily draw conclusion that it is modern football that doesn't want to see coaches sent off.
ReplyDeleteVG in the comment above is 100% right.
Well done Mr Rosetti - with the crazy guidelines you completely disarm referees (especially Siebert, whose thesis for success is not charisma, fitness etc; but tactical approach), and then you appoint the newbie to this Atlético vs. Manchester City and completely destroy him, as you’ve threatened to all season. Very weak Siebert, he needs a break after that.
ReplyDeleteSeriously guys, it is as if none if you ever refereed a game. Blaming siebert for the last fifteen minutes is utterly outrageous, he did everything he could to keep an uncontrollable situation under control and kept his calm, so for that alone he should be commended, not criticized.
ReplyDeleteI agree with Anonymus here in every single word.
DeleteTo be honest, I don’t blame Siebert, we all know that controling Atletico’s players and Simeone is difficult for every referee. Most important, Siebert did not make any big mistakes and I hope this last 20 minutes will be a lesson for him for the future to maybe react more strictly and less lenient.
ReplyDeleteAt least Gozubuyuk had a good night. 2 times the VAR intervened too award a goal for Benfica which was first called offside. From what i saw the situations were really close for the AR. Not that much to report further from Liverpool. Siebert absolutely failed the test. Gozubuyuk positively surprised me today
ReplyDeleteFor me has Zwayer of outstanding merit Semi-Final!
ReplyDeleteGood job mr.Zwayer,Bad Job from Siebert
Savic and simeone should have received a red card
ReplyDeleteI didn't watch the game but aren't there always problems with Atletico in high pressure situations? Simeone has always been a pain in the ass. I don't know if the game management of Orsato or Turpin would have necessarily prevented a confrontation at some point in the game...Again didn't watch the game just going with the comments on here
ReplyDeleteCan’t The Ref com use referees personality to appoint referees for a match???? It is so so embarrassing to see Seibert today!!! He looked so so lost. If not for Zwayer.
ReplyDeleteNo best evening for Siebert.
ReplyDeleteRosetti is 100% guilty of that situation.
ReplyDeleteRe: Simeone's caution: In minute 90+10' and in that match context you either ignore the manager's behaviour or just send him off, in-between things like the YC are pointless.
ReplyDeleteSo easy to say it was out of control ! Can you name only one moment that Siebert was not calm? Or just name a decision that indiceted the result of the match (like Marciniak the other day with the goal from the corner kick) ?
ReplyDeleteSometimes (like today) being too calm/passive leeds to matches boiling over. Thats the biggest reason why siebert failed today. He was unable to increase the presence when it was absolutely needed
DeleteDefinitely this had to be the match for Orsato, he would not have allowed any disrespectful behaviour towards the refereeing team, that IMO lacked charisma to manage such a heated match. I remember last year's CHE-ATM, where Orsato sent off Savic for an elbow showing RC and yelling at his face at the same time, avoiding any shameful reaction by Atlético players as the ones we saw tonight. Very tough match, for very few referees (probably only Orsato or Makkelie)
ReplyDeleteI don't want to criticize Siebert too much, because it was very challenging match anyway, but I would say, that in such much, it's better to use different approach, you should act more like a low enforcer, IMO, because if not, it will lead to the mass confrontation.
ReplyDeleteMy comment on Siebert:
ReplyDeleteI agree with most of you, it was not the right match for him. Perhaps he lacks a little more experience in final instance matches.
Instead, Zwayer showed good control. Perhaps Zwayer could have handled the game better.
Regarding Simeone, yes, he always exceeds his claims and no referee (as far as I know) has dared to expel him in the first few minutes.
And Felipe, it is unfortunate to see this type of attitude. Well expelled.
Thank heavens the game didn't go into overtime, because otherwise it would have made it more difficult for Siebert and maybe stain his career.
I give him a 6/10.
Not a chance any ref, ever could solve that tonight. Unfortunately Siebert looked a bit like a rabbit in headlights. Can definitely see why they’ve tried to shield Makkelie to keep a ref available for the final…
ReplyDeleteThis kind of HOT games can only be managed well by Makkelie and Orsato. Perhaps Marciniak also, but then it ends. Unbelievable that Makkelie is appointed for conference league while ATM - MC would have been the right match for him.
ReplyDeleteAfter what we saw in this match, I just remembered CAKIR's performance in madrid derby few years ago when he was great and nothing like that happened, + I think committe should thank god because the other team was ENGLISH, focusing playing F.B,we started feeling boring from watching same faces every round.
ReplyDeleteOverall a bit of a mess. Siebert is a good referee but shouldn't be expected to handle this kind of clash yet. UEFA have severely limited their options.
ReplyDeleteThat being said, Atletico prove once again they are one of if not the most challenging teams to referee in Europe. Yes, Siebert missed a YC for Felipe earlier on, and did not demonstrate authority (as mentioned he is more technical than charismatic). Savic should have been sent off and so should Simeone, but I am honestly unsure if ANY referee would show them 3 RC's as they seem to get away with it time and time again.
I don't think this will damage Siebert in the long-term because of the impossibility of the mass confrontation. He must learn and will likely be given a break from high profile UEFA games.
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