Saturday, 29 June 2019

Copa América 2019 - Discussion Page

We invite you below to discuss the officiating at Copa América 2019.


GROUP A


15 June 2019, 02:30 CET - São Paulo (Estádio Cícero Pompeu de Toledo)
BRAZIL - BOLIVIA
Referee: Néstor Fabián Pitana (ARG)
Assistant Referee 1: Hernán Pablo Maidana (ARG)
Assistant Referee 2: Juan Pablo Belatti (ARG)
Fourth Official: Roddy Alberto Zambrano Olmedo (ECU)
Video Assistant Referee: Patricio Hernán Loustau (ARG)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee 1: Fernando Andrés Rapallini (ARG)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee 2: Ezequiel Darío Brailovsky (ARG)


15 June 2019, 21:00 CET - Porto Alegre (Arena do Grêmio)
VENEZUELA - PERU
Referee: Wilmar Alexander Roldán Pérez (COL)
Assistant Referee 1: Alexander Guzmán Bonilla (COL)
Assistant Referee 2: John Alexander León Sánchez (COL)
Fourth Official: Carlos Aníbal Orbe Ruiz (ECU)
Video Assistant Referee: Leodán Franklin González Cabrera (URU)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee 1: Andrés José Rojas Noguera (COL)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee 2: Christian Daniel Lescano Guerrero (ECU)


18 June 2019, 23:30 CET - Rio de Janeiro (Estádio Jornalista Mário Filho)
BOLIVIA - PERU
Referee: Roddy Alberto Zambrano Olmedo (ECU)
Assistant Referee 1: Christian Daniel Lescano Guerrero (ECU)
Assistant Referee 2: Byron Norberto Romero Ibarra (ECU)
Fourth Official: Piero Daniel Maza Gómez (CHI)
Video Assistant Referee: Esteban Daniel Ostojich Vega (URU)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee 1: Nicolás Gallo Barragán (COL)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee 2: Hernán Pablo Maidana (ARG)

19 June 2019, 02:30 CET - Salvador (Itaipava Arena Fonte Nova)
BRAZIL - VENEZUELA
Referee: Julio Alberto Bascuñán González (CHI)
Assistant Referee 1: Christian Rodolfo Schiemann Alonso (CHI)
Assistant Referee 2: Claudio Alejandro Ríos Ortiz (CHI)
Fourth Official: Andrés José Rojas Noguera (COL)
Video Assistant Referee: Roberto Andrés Tobar Vargas (CHI)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee 1: Fernando Andrés Rapallini (ARG)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee 2: Alexander Guzmán Bonilla (COL)

22 June 2019, 21:00 CET - São Paulo (Arena Corinthians)
PERU - BRAZIL
Referee: Fernando Rapallini (ARG)
Assistant Referee 1: Hernan Maidana (ARG)
Assistant Referee 2: Eduardo Cardozo (PAR)
Fourth Official: Arnaldo Samaniego (PAR)
Video Assistant Referee: Andres Rojas (COL)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee 1: Nicolas Gallo (COL)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee 2: Wilmar Navarro (COL)

22 June 2019, 21:00 CET - Belo Horizonte (Estádio Governador Magalhães Pinto)
BOLIVIA - VENEZUELA
Referee: Esteban Ostojich (URU)
Assistant Referee 1: Nicolas Taran (URU)
Assistant Referee 2: Richard Trinidad (URU)
Fourth Official: Carlos Orbe (ECU)
Video Assistant Referee: Nestor Pitana (ARG)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee 1: Piero Maza (CHI)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee 2: Alexander Guzman (COL)

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GROUP B


16 June 2019, 00:00 CET - Salvador (Itaipava Arena Fonte Nova)
ARGENTINA - COLOMBIA
Referee: Roberto Andrés Tobar Vargas (CHI)
Assistant Referee 1: Christian Rodolfo Schiemann Alonso (CHI)
Assistant Referee 2: Claudio Alejandro Ríos Ortiz (CHI)
Fourth Official: Alexis Adrián Herrera Hernández (VEN)
Video Assistant Referee: Julio Alberto Bascuñán González (CHI)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee 1: Piero Daniel Maza Gómez (CHI)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee 2: Nicolás Alfredo Tarán Méndez (URU)


16 June 2019, 21:00 CET - Rio de Janeiro (Estádio Jornalista Mário Filho)
PARAGUAY - QATAR
Referee: Diego Mirko Haro Sueldo (PER)
Assistant Referee 1: Jonny Max Bossio Moncada (PER)
Assistant Referee 2: Víctor Armando Ráez Izaguirre (PER)
Fourth Official: Esteban Daniel Ostojich Vega (URU)
Video Assistant Referee: Raphael Claus (BRA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee 1: Víctor Hugo Carrillo Casanova (PER)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee 2: Byron Norberto Romero Ibarra (ECU)


19 June 2019, 23:30 CET - São Paulo (Estádio Cícero Pompeu de Toledo)
COLOMBIA - QATAR
Referee: Alexis Adrián Herrera Hernández (VEN)
Assistant Referee 1: Luis Alfredo Murillo Uribe (VEN)
Assistant Referee 2: Nicolás Alfredo Tarán Méndez (URU)
Fourth Official: Víctor Hugo Carrillo Casanova (PER)
Video Assistant Referee: Jesús Noel Valenzuela Sáez (VEN)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee 1: Anderson Daronco (BRA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee 2: Richard Fabián Trinidad Díaz Méndez (URU)

20 June 2019, 02:30 CET - Belo Horizonte (Estádio Governador Magalhães Pinto)
ARGENTINA - PARAGUAY
Referee: Wilton Pereira Sampaio (BRA)
Assistant Referee 1: Marcelo Carvalho Van Gasse (BRA)
Assistant Referee 2: Rodrigo Figueiredo Henrique Corrêa (BRA)
Fourth Official: Carlos Aníbal Orbe Ruiz (ECU)
Video Assistant Referee: Leodán Franklin González Cabrera (URU)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee 1: Raphael Claus (BRA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee 2: Kléber Lúcio Gil (BRA)

23 June 2019, 21:00 CET - Porto Alegre (Arena do Grêmio)
QATAR - ARGENTINA
Referee: Julio Bascuñan (CHI)
Assistant Referee 1: Christian Schiemann (CHI)
Assistant Referee 2: Claudio Rios (CHI)
Fourth Official: Roddy Zambrano (ECU)
Video Assistant Referee: Roberto Tobar (CHI)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee 1: Gery Vargas (BOL)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee 2: Christian Lescano (ECU)

23 June 2019, 21:00 CET - Salvador (Itaipava Arena Fonte Nova)
COLOMBIA - PARAGUAY
Referee: Victor Carrillo (PER)
Assistant Referee 1: Jonny Bossio (PER)
Assistant Referee 2: Victor Raez (PER)
Fourth Official: Alexis Herrera (VEN)
Video Assistant Referee: Anderson Daronco (BRA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee 1: Diego Haro (PER)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee 2: Byron Romero (ECU)

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GROUP C


17 June 2019, 00:00 CET - Belo Horizonte (Estádio Governador Magalhães Pinto)
URUGUAY - ECUADOR
Referee: Anderson Daronco (BRA)
Assistant Referee 1: Marcelo Carvalho Van Gasse (BRA)
Assistant Referee 2: Kléber Lúcio Gil (BRA)
Fourth Official: Nicolás Gallo Barragán (COL)
Video Assistant Referee: Wilton Pereira Sampaio (BRA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee 1: Fernando Andrés Rapallini (ARG)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee 2: Rodrigo Figueiredo Henrique Corrêa (BRA)


18 June 2019, 01:00 CET - São Paulo (Estádio Cícero Pompeu de Toledo)
JAPAN - CHILE
Referee: Mario Alberto Díaz de Vivar Bogado (PAR)
Assistant Referee 1: Eduardo Cardozo Escobar (PAR)
Assistant Referee 2: Darío Antonio Gaona Rodríguez (PAR)
Fourth Official: Arnaldo Ariel Samaniego Cantero (PAR)
Video Assistant Referee: Jesús Noel Valenzuela Sáez (VEN)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee 1: Gery Anthony Vargas Carreño (BOL)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee 2: Wilmar Alveiro Navarro Contreras (COL)


21 June 2019, 01:00 CET - Porto Alegre (Arena do Grêmio)
URUGUAY - JAPAN
Referee: Andrés José Rojas Noguera (COL)
Assistant Referee 1: Alexander Guzmán Bonilla (COL)
Assistant Referee 2: Wilmar Alveiro Navarro Contreras (COL)
Fourth Official: Nicolás Gallo Barragán (COL)
Video Assistant Referee: Diego Mirko Haro Sueldo (PER)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee 1: Néstor Fabián Pitana (ARG)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee 2: Hernán Pablo Maidana (ARG)

22 June 2019, 01:00 CET - Salvador (Itaipava Arena Fonte Nova)
ECUADOR - CHILE
Referee: Patricio Hernán Loustau (ARG)
Assistant Referee 1: Juan Pablo Belatti (ARG)
Assistant Referee 2: Ezequiel Darío Brailovsky (ARG)
Fourth Official: Jesús Noel Valenzuela Sáez (VEN)
Video Assistant Referee: Wilmar Alexander Roldán Pérez (COL)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee 1: Mario Alberto Díaz de Vivar Bogado (PAR)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee 2: John Alexander León Sánchez (COL)

25 June 2019, 01:00 CET - Rio de Janeiro (Estádio Jornalista Mário Filho)
CHILE - URUGUAY
Referee: Raphael Claus (BRA)
Assistant Referee 1: Marcelo Van Gasse (BRA)
Assistant Referee 2: Kléber Gil (BRA)
Fourth Official: Mario Díaz de Vivar (PAR)
Video Assistant Referee: Wilton Sampaio (BRA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee 1: Arnaldo Samaniego (PAR)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee 2: Ezequiel Brailovsky (ARG)

25 June 2019, 01:00 CET - Belo Horizonte (Estádio Governador Magalhães Pinto)
ECUADOR - JAPAN
Referee: Jesús Valenzuela (VEN)
Assistant Referee 1: Luis Murillo (VEN)
Assistant Referee 2: Rodrigo Correa (BRA)
Fourth Official: Wilmar Roldán (COL)
Video Assistant Referee: Fernando Rapallini (ARG)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee 1: Nicolas Gallo (COL)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee 2: Jhon Leon (COL)

QUARTERFINALS

BRAZIL - PARAGUAY
Referee: Roberto Tobar (CHI)
Assistant Referee 1: Christian Schiemann (CHI)
Assistant Referee 2: Claudio Rios (CHI)
Fourth Official: Roddy Zambrano (ECU)
Video Assistant Referee: Julio Bascuñán (CHI)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee 1: Piero Maza (CHI)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee 2:Nicolás Taran (URU)

VENEZUELA - ARGENTINA
Referee: Wilmar Roldán (COL)
Assistant Referee 1: Alexander Guzmán (COL)
Assistant Referee 2: Jhon León (COL)
Fourth Official: Diego Haro (PER)
Video Assistant Referee: Andrés Rojas (COL)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee 1: Nicolas Gallo (COL)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee 2:Richard Trinidad (URU)

COLOMBIA - CHILE
Referee: Néstor Pitana (ARG)
Assistant Referee 1: Hernan Maidana (ARG)
Assistant Referee 2: Juan Belatti (ARG)
Fourth Official: Anderson Daronco (BRA)
Video Assistant Referee: Fernando Rapallini (ARG)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee 1: Gery Vargas (BOL)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee 2: Esequiel Brailovsky (ARG)

URUGUAY - PERU
Referee: Wilton Sampaio (BRA)
Assistant Referee 1: Kleber Lucio Gil (BRA)
Assistant Referee 2: Rodrigo Correa (BRA)
Fourth Official: Arnaldo Samaniego (PAR)
Video Assistant Referee: Patricio Loustau (ARG)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee 1: Jesus Valenzuela (VEN)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee 2: Eduardo Cardozo (PAR)

SEMIFINALS

BRAZIL - ARGENTINA
Referee: Roddy Zambrano (ECU)
Assistant Referee 1: Christian Lescano (ECU)
Assistant Referee 2: Byron Romero (ECU)
Fourth Official: Esteban Ostojich (URU)
Video Assistant Referee: Leodan Gonzalez (URU)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee 1: Jesus Valenzuela (VEN)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee 2: Nicolas Taran (URU)

CHILE - PERU
Referee: Wilmar Roldán (COL)
Assistant Referee 1: Alexander Guzmán (COL)
Assistant Referee 2: Wilmar Navarro (COL)
Fourth Official: Mario Diaz de Vivar (PAR)
Video Assistant Referee: Andrés Rojas (COL)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee 1: Nicolas Gallo (COL)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee 2: Jhon Leon (COL)

116 comments:

  1. Impressive first half by Diego Haro in my opinion. Correct early penalty for handball given on his own (3'), three correct YCs for a reckless challenge, simulation and SPA. No messing around, meek warnings or gestures; backing up his words. Also, very calm and respectful player management.

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    1. A bit weaker, but still solid second half. Big point for improvement: Positioning (he got hit by the ball three times) and management for dropped balls. His instructions for these were not accepted by the players and it took quite some time until play continued.

      Three more cards (Reckless, Reckless use of arms and a late tackle that was half reckless half SPA). Maybe three more scenes were card were possible (49', 79', 86'). Especially the first one is a scene open for discussion. Looked like he stepped into the heel of his opponent, Haro just gave a foul. Even a RC could have been possible. OFR would have been a good idea - in case he does not deem it SFP, a 2nd YC could have been issued.

      In 53' a Paraguay goal got cancelled by VAR for an offside of the player who had given the "pre-assist". Replays were only shown without a drawn line, seemed very close.

      Still, a solid performance. Very calm referee, has no problem to talk and explain. Maybe even a bit too much.

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  2. Minute 42 Uruguay vs Ecuador. Suarez tackled in the penalty area and then the ball goes to an offside standing teammate who then touches it. However the foul is before the offside. I think this was a foul but if not a foul okay play on and then offside.

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  3. Not convincing first half by Anderson Daronco in a challenging Copa America match between Uruguay 3 - 0 Ecuador.

    He is active and motivated.His physical conditions and positing are excellent,okayish foul detection (some problems with arm challenges) and clear + strong body language.

    Key match incidents:

    Minute 2': Correct evaluated penalty situation.No handball by Ecuadorian defender,only elbow.

    Minute 14': Correct YC for URU

    Minute 19': Missed YC for ECU after an illegal arm challenge

    Minute 24': In my opinion wrong VAR intetvention by VAR Wilton Sampaio (YC was turned to RC).Clear YC because a natural air challenge with no active impact movement!

    Minute 42': Correct play on in the penalty area against Suarez in my opinion

    Minute 45+1': Missed YC for Suarez after a dive whistled by Daronco.

    Minute 45+1': Missed YC for URU player after a reckless air fight

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    1. I am okay with VAR intervention here as was Marco Antonio Rodriguez on the broadcast. He said that Daronco should have Red Carded him himself without VAR helping him out.

      And I am 100% with the Red Card decision. The Ecuadorian player used his arm as a weapon. I for one am not willing to wade into dangerous waters of speculating intention, intensity, movement, natural/unnatural. I'm only taking into consideration the act.

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    2. The fist is an argument for "weapon" and RC, but there is no hitting/punching movement, but just leadingw with the arm, therefore it's 60:40 for YC in my opinion.
      Anyway, not a clear and obvious error. And the "missed indicent" argument is difficult, because there was an initial YC. But maybe there was still something, that Daronco missed.

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    3. You don't have to use a swinging or punching movement to inflict damage on an opponent. Simply "leading" with an elbow or forearm (solid surfaces) into the head/face area of an opponent can lead to injury. IMO, these type of challenges need to be eradicated from the sport. Head injuries have devastating long term consequences on players.

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  4. Interesting sound byte. During the Ecuador v Uruguay broadcast. Marco Antonio Rodriguez (former FIFA Referee MEX) was asked by his fellow broadcast team member. If he would have liked to have officiated with VAR. He specifically pointed out the Luis Suarez "biting" incident versus Italia as a time in his career where he would have loved to have had VAR available for his use. He said that in the moment and on the field he had a strong feeling that Suarez had done something wrong. But there was no way for him to prove it and to justify any sort of disciplinary action.

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  5. For those of you who were wondering what color referee kits Marathon Sport has provided the referee's. So far we've seen, Yellow, Blue, Black, and Red. And I like them all. I am especially appreciative of Marathon Sport for using solid black shorts and socks.

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    1. And Marathon Sport just had to go ruin the referee kit look for me. Diaz de Vivar wore the yellow shirt and unfortunately also wore hideous yellow socks.

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    2. I like the colours but I'm seeing similar issues to the new European uniforms in that the pockets on the shorts don't appear to be big enough for large cards.

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    3. Yeah I really like the shirt colors also and the design. They're definitely much sharper looking than what the Gold Cup referee's are wearing. The size of the shorts pockets for sure a problem for the referee's who carry their cards or booklet there.

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  6. A few selected scenes from URU - ECU (Daronco). As always, thanks to Mikael W!

    https://ok.ru/video/1155106343459

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  7. COLOMBIA - QATAR
    Referee: Alexis Herrera (VEN)
    Assistant Referee 1: Luis Murillo (VEN)
    Assistant Referee 2: Nicolas Taran (URU)
    Fourth Official: Victor Carrillo (PER)
    Video Assistant Referee: Jesus Valenzuela (VEN)
    Assistant Video Assistant Referee 1: Anderson Daronco (BRA)
    Assistant Video Assistant Referee 2: Richard Trinidad (URU)

    ARGENTINA - PARAGUAY
    Referee: Wilton Sampaio (BRA)
    Assistant Referee 1: Marcelo van Gasse (BRA)
    Assistant Referee 2: Rodrigo Correa (BRA)
    Fourth Official: Carlos Orbe (ECU)
    Video Assistant Referee: Leodan Gonzalez (URU)
    Assistant Video Assistant Referee 1: Raphael Claus (BRA)
    Assistant Video Assistant Referee 2: Kleber Lucio Gil (BRA)

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    1. Sampaio is going to have his hands full. Argentina go into the match desperate for 3 points and Paraguay come in after a disappointing draw with guest minnows Qatar.

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    2. People are underestimating Qatar. They just won the Asian Cup in January and they've imported like 1/4 of their team from South America. Not saying their going to beat many teams but they're no pushovers.

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    3. Petrol-Dollars can fix it all, right? :-)

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  8. Uruguay - Japan

    Referee: Andres Rojas (COL)
    Assistant Referee 1: Alexander Guzman (COL)
    Assistant Referee 2: Wilmar Navarro (COL)
    Fourth Official: Nicolas Gallo (COL)
    Video Assistant Referee: Diego Haro (PER)
    Assistant Video Assistant Referee 1: Nestor Pitana (ARG)
    Assistant Video Assistant Referee 2: Hernan Maidana (ARG)

    Ecuador - Chile

    Referee: Patricio Loustau (ARG)
    Assistant Referee 1: Juan Belatti (ARG)
    Assistant Referee 2: Ezequiel Brailovsky (ARG)
    Fourth Official: Jesus Valenzuela (VEN)
    Video Assistant Referee: Wilmar Roldan (COL)
    Assistant Video Assistant Referee 1: Mario Diaz de Vivar (PAR)
    Assistant Video Assistant Referee 2: Jhon Alexander Leon (COL)

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  9. Predictions MD3
    PER-BRA: Gonzalez, Taran, Trinidad (all URU), Samaniego (PAR) - Ostojich (URU), Gallo (COL), Cardozo (PAR)
    BOL-VEN: Rapallini, Maidana (both ARG), Lescano (ECU), Rojas (COL) - Pitana (ARG), Zambrano (ECU), Navarro (COL)
    QAT-ARG: Vargas, Antelo, Saveedra (all BOL), Haro (PER) - Daronco (BRA), Carrillo, Bossio (both PER)
    COL-PAR: Bascunan, Schiemann, Rios (all CHI), Orbe (ECU) - Tobar, Maza (both CHI), Romero (ECU)
    CHI-URU: Sampaio, van Gasse, Correa (all BRA), Rapallini (ARG) - Claus (BRA), Gallo (COL), Maidana (ARG)
    ECU-JPN: Herrera, Murillo, Lopez (all VEN), Diaz de Vivar (PAR) - Valenzuela (VEN), Samaniego, Gaona (both PAR)

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  10. Absolutely riveting television in the Copa America. Watching a control room of referees and watching the referee look at a screen. With no images of what they are even looking at until after the eventual decision. Whoever the host broadcaster is needs to improve drastically!

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    1. Yeah whoever is running the television feed in Brasil needs to step up their game. There have been multiple OFR's situations where we the people watching at home have absolutely zero idea of what images the referee is watching. Not at all like how OFR's are being handled at the Women's World Cup.

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  11. I have no idea why this goal from Coutinho has been ruled offside by VAR. The player in the offside position does not affect the play at all.

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    1. I read the news and it said the ball touched Firmino. That's the only possible explanation I guess.

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    2. Ah interesting. I could not tell that the ball had hit Firmino from the images I saw.

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  12. We need a comprehensive breakdown of the match. 3 disallowed goals

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    1. 60th minute Gabriel Jesus goal annulled.
      Is that touch by the Venezuelan player an intentional play? Or is considered a save/rebound?

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    2. 87th minute Coutinho goal annulled
      The ball does hit the knee of Firmino who is in a questionable offside position. The only doubt on the play is whether there are 2 Venezuelan players nearer to the goal line than him. Based on the replays I've seen. There wasn't. Good offside call.

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  13. Bolivia was correctly given a PK after Peruvian player handled in the penalty area. But the entire play was quite confusing. AR1 Lescano incorrectly called offside (player was clearly onside) on the play leading up to the handling incident. So VAR had to decide if there was or wasn't an offside infringement and whether the Peruvian player was guilty of handling.

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  14. As I watch this years Copa America. I am reminded of the disappointment I feel during each and every tournament. Some if the most skilled and talented players in the world participate in the tournament. Yet the type of play you're treated to on the pitch doesn't reflect all that skill and talent. Instead the teams and players resort to a brutal and cynical style of play. And unfortunately the referee's are entirely complicit.

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    1. Exactly my point. The brutal nature of the matches on display is questionable and the referee indulges them. It's more like the ref com in South America tells them to act in such manner

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    2. I hope that things are different at the 2019 AFCON. Hopefully the "beautiful game" will be the only thing on full display on the African Continent.

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  15. Bolivia v Pero
    81st minute missed 2nd yellow card by Zambrano

    Paolo Guerrero (Peru) in an attempt to win the ball plants his studs into the foot of a Bolivian player. The same type of foul for which Zambrano cautioned him earlier in the match. And in typical cowardly manner, Zambrano knowing that the Peruvian player has already been cautioned. Refuses to correctly show the 2nd caution and red card. The Bolivian player understandably upset vocalizes his disapproval and is quickly cautioned by Zambrano. Totally senseless disciplinary line.

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  16. Bolivia v Peru
    90+5

    Scary scenes on the pitch. Bolivian player #17 lands awkwardly and bashes his head on the pitch knocking himself unconscious,

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  17. Interesting! I've never seen this done before. At the 90th minute of Brasil v Venezuela. The 4th official raised the electronic board to signal that there will be a minimum of 7 minutes of added time. During the 7 minutes time is lost because of a Venezuelan injury. So at the 90+7 minute, the 4th official once again raised the electronic board to signal that there will be another 2 minutes added.

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  18. And please i am still in the dark why Andres Cunha is absent in this tournament

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    1. A failed fitness test or injury is what kept him out. Or at least what I believe someone else on the blog said.

      I know that Cesar Ramos (MEX) is not at the 2019 CONCACAF Gold Cup because of a failed fitness test.

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  19. I just need to give the tribute to the best officiated Copa America final ever- Heber Lopes in 2016.

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    1. I know that his performance divided a lot of opinion. Some people to this day think that it's the worst officiated Final ever. While others loved the fact that he stayed true to himself and most importantly to the LOTG. He didn't allow the fact that it was a Final influence his approach.

      I personally loved the way he worked the match. I appreciated that he he didn't go South Africa 2010 Howard Webb style just because it was a Final.

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    2. One of the hardest games ever to officiate,especially 1st half where we saw 5 yellow cards (could have been more) and 2 red cards.

      I've never seen dirtier and more violent match,even for South American standars that was too much IMO.

      One name who comes to my mind that could have provided better officiating and better match control is Cakir,he is no stranger to very violent and dirty matches,especially matches like big Turkish derbies that can be similar to this one.

      About Lopes,I will write what I wrote 3 years ago:
      He was not good,but he was not bad.

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  20. OFR by Alexis Herrera in 33'. Much confusion as to why, as CONMEBOL never shows pictures during the review. Decision was no penalty for handball against Qatar. From the looks of it, a different decision would have been supportable. No clue if he found the handball not punishable or it was outside the area.

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  21. Very lenient approach from Herrera.So many protest from Qatar being unpunished.
    As I was writing this small confrotation accured,so he showed 2 cards.

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  22. Let's sum it up: He wasn't up to the challenge. Not everything was bad, but a wrong penalty (corrected after OFR) and some pretty huge deficits in player management (dissent!).

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  23. God this awful. The way the players surround the referee in South American football. I wouldn't feel safe. You couldn't pay me any money in the world to referee these games.

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    1. Best example was scene in Arg-Par match when Arg GK was booked.
      The way Par players sprinted,surounded and were touching Sampaio was awful and no booking for any of them,that's even more unbeliavable.

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    2. This was the one I was referring to.

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    3. So who's at fault?
      I'll answer that question with two further questions.

      1) Who has the whistle?
      2) Who has the cards?

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  24. Video of first (correctly) disallowed goal for Brazil in Brazil - Ecuador due to foul by attacking player. Referee spotted the foul himself, VAR backed the decision without any delay.
    https://streamable.com/foyo7

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  25. https://twitter.com/jecfootball7/status/1141911235866198016?s=21

    IMO,penalty.

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    1. I agree as did Marco Antonio Rodriguez (former FIFA Mexico) on the TV broadcast. Sure the Japanese player accentuates the fall. But nevertheless, the contact by the Uruguayan player exists.

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    2. Clear penalty.

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  26. Qatar - Argentina

    Referee: Julio Bascuñan (CHI)
    Assistant Referee 1: Christian Schiemann (CHI)
    Assistant Referee 2: Claudio Rios (CHI)
    Fourth Official: Roddy Zambrano (ECU)
    Video Assistant Referee: Roberto Tobar (CHI)
    Assistant Video Assistant Referee 1: Gery Vargas (BOL)
    Assistant Video Assistant Referee 2: Christian Lescano (ECU)

    Colombia - Paraguay

    Referee: Victor Carrillo (PER)
    Assistant Referee 1: Jonny Bossio (PER)
    Assistant Referee 2: Victor Raez (PER)
    Fourth Official: Alexis Herrera (VEN)
    Video Assistant Referee: Anderson Daronco (BRA)
    Assistant Video Assistant Referee 1: Diego Haro (PER)
    Assistant Video Assistant Referee 2: Byron Romero (ECU)

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    1. That probably means, that Gonzalez, Orbe and Vargas won't be used as main referees, which is surprising because they are under FIFA consideration (participated in a seminar this year).

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  27. Excellent first half by Julio Bascuñan in Qatar - Argentina.
    Excellent physical conditions,strong body language and signals and good delayed whistles.Two correct YCs for Argentina in 42' and 44'.
    Only one incorrect offside call by AR1.
    Match is full under control and he protects verbal dissent due to his strong personality and right decisions!

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    1. Sounds like he's the better of the two Chilean's at the tournament. His countryman Tobar allowed a "war" between Argentina and Colombia.

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  28. Now I dont understand his decision to not give 2nd yyc to QAT #9 for slamming the ball.YC anyday,I dont care what circumstances are.

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  29. Interesting offside/goal situation in Japan v Ecuador on the 1-0 goal (~14 minutes in). VAR looked at it for a while before it was confirmed a goal.

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    1. Video, with a decent replay: https://streamable.com/kelfd

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    2. In my opinion offside is not punishable but very borderline.
      Regarding the decision to confirm it by VAR, we can't know, it is possible that player was assessed ONSIDE, and then AR mistake just based on that. What do you think?

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    3. The only explanation of this decision is that he was onside. If he wouldn't be onside, clear no goal. But if onside, fully correct decision.

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    4. You can't say "clear" because the offside can be discussed if punishable or not, in my opinion.

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  30. And in the 30th minute (or so), an amusing dropped ball situation.

    Ref very careful to push the ECU players back 4m, drops ball, JPN player touches it before it hits the ground. Ref calls it back. Much less careful about pushing the ECU players back. Successful drop second time around.

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  31. QF predictions
    BRA-PAR: Roldan, Guzman, Leon (COL), Bascunan (CHI) - Gonzalez (URU), Rojas (COL), Lescano (ECU)
    VEN-ARG: Carrillo, Bossio, Raez (all PER), Tobar (CHI) - Haro (PER), Sampaio (BRA), Romero (ECU)
    COL-CHI: Pitana, Maidana, Belatti (all ARG), Zambrano (ECU) - Rapallini (ARG), Diaz de Vivar (PAR), Taran (URU)
    URU-PER: Loustau, Brailovsky (both ARG), Murillo, Herrera - Valenzuela (all VEN), Daronco (BRA), Navarro (COL)

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  32. On a side note, Pitana looked very strong in the opening match BRA-BOL.
    Sleek, fit and ready to go. Just about the opposite we all saw at the World Cup Final. When in shape and with proper rest, he is a very reliable ref.

    Too bad the committee at the World Cup thought he would be up to the job in such a dispirited state he showed during the entire match.

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  33. On another side note, pretty much all refs in Copa America seem very fit and are keeping up with play nicely. Good job in preparation, everyone!

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  34. At 8630 it appeared that the ball went out for a goal kick. Upon restart the Brazil keeper passed the ball to his fullback who was standing well within the penalty area. He received the ball and carried it out as quickly as possible. Should that not have been called back and been retaken or did I miss something?

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    1. I guess I'm just behind on the rule change. Not in force here until next year.

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    2. Yes, that is a rule change. Where are you from , i.e. where will the rules only be changed next year?

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  35. Roldan has quick trigger.3 bookings in 4 minutes.
    I would say he is one of rare refs from Conmebol that is not afraid to show cards at any time.

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  36. Brazil - Paraguay: OFR in 58', it should be a protocol's mistake.
    It was only a matter of INSIDE / OUTSIDE. VAR had just to inform referee that foul had occured outside, so RC instead of YC. No need of a so long review, I don't know why this was made.

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    1. 83' OFR for what? Never more than YC.
      I didn't watch games of this Copa America, but what happened in Brazil - Paraguay makes clear, in my opinion, that CONMEBOL has not a good knowledge about VAR protocol.

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    2. I thought 83’ was because the referee missed the incident—he didn’t even give a foul initially.
      Also for 58’ there might have been another touch inside the area so I think that’s why there was an OFR.

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  37. COLvCHI. 70. Handball that creates a goal scoring opportunity. Missed by ref live (understandably, not a great angle to see it), VAR caught and disallowed.

    https://streamable.com/d4fk6

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    1. Surely correct with new Laws. Was it done with or without OFR?

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    2. I only caught it on replay (missed that bit live), so not sure if OFR was used or not.

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    3. OFR was done.
      https://i.postimg.cc/HnHnbrnw/5.jpg

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    4. Initially most were under the impression that the play was being reviewed for a possible offside. As a Chilean player was possibly interfering with the Colombian GK's ability to make a save. It wasn't until Pitana was doing the OFR that the handling became evident.

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    5. I was wondering, whether with the new LotG one could consider handball before a goal as a factual decision and therefore not need an OFR.

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    6. That's a good point Phillipp S but I think an OFR is still needed even just from a, selling the decision, point of view.

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  38. SF predictions
    BRA-ARG: Diaz de Vivar, Cardozo, Gaona (all PAR), Herrera (VEN) - Ostojich (URU), Gallo (COL), Taran (URU)
    CHI-PER: Rojas, Guzman, Navarro (all COL), Zambrano (ECU) - Roldan (COL), Rapallini (ARG), Lescano (ECU)

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  39. Semifinals

    Brazil - Argentina

    Referee: Roddy Zambrano (ECU)
    Assistant Referee 1: Christian Lescano (ECU)
    Assistant Referee 2: Byron Romero (ECU)
    Fourth Official: Esteban Ostojich (URU)
    Video Assistant Referee: Leodan Gonzalez (URU)
    Assistant Video Assistant Referee 1: Jesus Valenzuela (VEN)
    Assistant Video Assistant Referee 2: Nicolas Taran (URU)

    Chile - Peru

    Referee: Wilmar Roldán (COL)
    Assistant Referee 1: Alexander Guzmán (COL)
    Assistant Referee 2: Wilmar Navarro (COL)
    Fourth Official: Mario Diaz de Vivar (PAR)
    Video Assistant Referee: Andrés Rojas (COL)
    Assistant Video Assistant Referee 1: Nicolas Gallo (COL)
    Assistant Video Assistant Referee 2: Jhon Leon (COL)

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  40. Brazil-Argentina is the most important game of this Copa America. Roddy Zambrano is not the most important referee of this Copa America. Let's wait and see what happens.

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    1. But nearly no alternative. The referees from SF countries obviously are not possible, Roldan had ARG in the QF and everyone else (e.g. Diaz de Vivar and Valenzuela) is less experienced than Zambrano, I think - or at least don't have a better reputation.
      For the same reasons it's quite likely, that the final will be handled by someone from a country, which loses in the SF.

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  41. An interesting remark by Arbitro Internacional: it seems as this will be the first time for a referee from Ecuador in an official Brazil - Argentina, it never happened before, at least in recent times. Not even Byron Moreno handled it.

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  42. Roddy Zambrano is not the man for a Argentina v Brasil clash. But much like UEFA, CONMEBOL has used a very small group of referee's for any and all major games. Now they've backed themselves into a corner and are forced to use an unproven Zambrano.

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  43. Wasn't Bascunan (CHI) a possibility for Argentina v Brasil?

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    1. It seems as committee didn't want to appoint referees coming from the 4 nations involved in semifinals.

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    2. That indeed makes sense. I guess I'm too used to how CONCACAF controversially works. As they routinely assign referee's no matter if their home nation is still in the tournament.

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  44. And Roldan was not an optipn for this match cause he already had Argentinian match in last round.
    So CONMEBOL really put themselves in the corner.
    Hopefully Zamvrano will have a good game.

    Also we have to mention that Roldan also has challenging match,Battle of Pacific,so it wont be easy for him for sure.

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    1. Roldan is a much better referee than Zambrano. And he is way more experienced to handle any and all high profile CONMEBOL matches.

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  45. This game is gonna turn to shit for sure.

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    1. Only the players deciding to just play are going to prevent this from happening. Because it certainly ain't going to be prevented by Zambrano.

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  46. 14 minutes and you get the feeling that this match is going to boil over at any moment. Zambrano isn't the man for this match. Much like Alves Batista wasn't up to par earlier.

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    1. 2 missed YC‘s, way too many unnecessary advantages given...I‘m not convinced by him either so far.

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  47. Well now that 1st half is over we can say that Zambrano was not the right choice for this hot match.
    Best example is his 1st YC shown to Tagliafico.It was fully deserved,but couple seconds before that BRA player fouled ARG player and deserved YC.

    After that couple fouls worthy of a YC,some of them not even whistled.

    ARG players are not pleased with his decisions,if he continues like this I can already see them blaming Zambrano for loss.

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  48. Second half is looking better, a fair few cards given so it looks to be under better control now. However there is still 30 minutes to go.

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  49. If only Cunha had passed his pre tournament physical. He would have been the ideal candidate for this match.

    And I must add that the country of Ecuador and the entire CONMEBOL really miss Carlos Vera.

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  50. How in the world was that not a PK? The Brazilian player with no attempt to play the ball just time through Otamendi using his shoulder/forearm. I get it, on a corner kick there is a lot to at for the referee. But for the VAR to miss it is criminal.

    Further proof that as long as it's humans behind the screens. They'll only see want they want to see. Or see what makes the center referee look better.

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    1. Sheriff, again, VARs want to see all. Do you truly believe they don't? If you do, no comments. Why on earth would someone (doesn't matter referee or VAR) intentionally make a mistake? That's as ridiculous as to say "VAR works only for big teams". And how did not intervening make the referee look better in this case? No way. If VAR doesn't intervene when it has to intervene it's because they have missed it (unacceptable) or they didn't tell the referee to delay restart when the ball was next out of play if check was not over (also unacceptable). It isn't because they don't want to intervene or see something.

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    2. https://wittyfutty.com/2019/07/video-aguero-controversial-penalty-claim-against-dani-alves/ - first no penalty.
      https://wittyfutty.com/2019/07/video-arthur-controversial-foul-on-otamendi/ - second no penalty (mentioned by Sheriff).

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    3. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.goal.com/en/amp/news/var-problems-before-controversial-copa-semi-confirmed-by/1sddxuf8ytzap1wrp0w5wgy9nb - "VAR problems before controversial Copa semi-final confirmed by CONMEBOL."

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    4. I'm sorry but nobody is "buying" this fake news from CONMEBOL about VAR malfunctioning. The only ones who malfunctioned was Roddy Zambrano and those 3 individuals in the VAR room.

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    5. Sheriff as ridiculous as always. CONMEBOL clearly stated that the malfunction had no impact on the match. What evidence do you have that proves theses as fake news? Unless you are Brazil's president's bodyguard, you have no evidence. Nothing close to fake news. Sorry but you are behaving like Trump. Yes, the VAR made mistakes. Whe can say he "malfunctioned". But communication also malfunctioned before the match, WITHOUT having an impact on the communication during the match. Both things malfunctioned but they were not linked.

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  51. That challenge by Aguero in the 94th minute was awful. Could even have been a red card.

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  52. So we can conclude that if chile pass to final, definetley Pitana will be there.

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  53. Argentina out, so Pitana will be a main referee in final.

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  54. Roldan with good performance in a heated match.
    Just proves he is top 3 in South America .

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    1. He missed a clear DOGSO to Peru around minute 80. Also VAR.

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  55. Top 3 Candidates for the Final
    Pitana
    Tobar
    Bascunan

    CONMEBOL surprise and unconventional candidate = Roldan

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    1. My prediction
      ARG-CHI: Carillo, Bossio, Raez (all PER), Claus - Daronco (both BRA), Haro (PER), Gil (BRA)
      BRA-PER: Pitana, Maidana, Belatti (all ARG), Tobar (CHI) - Rapallini (ARG), Vargas (BOL), Brailovsky (ARG)

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    2. I agree with Carillo for the 3rd place match Philipp. His long and dedicated service to CONMEBOL has earned him the right.

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    3. And he had a CL SF last year. So I would have even considered him for a BRA-CHI or ARG-CHI final.

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    4. He is definitely trusted by the Ref Comm. But his matches at the Copa America this year haven't been what you would say "top notch".

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  56. Real appointments:
    ARG-CHI: Diaz de Vivar, Cardozo, Gaona (all PAR), Vargas (BOL) - Haro (PER), Rojas (COL), Bossio (PER)
    BRA-PER: Tobar, Schiemann, Rios (all CHI), Herrera (VEN) - Bascunan (CHI), Gallo, Guzman (both COL)

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