GNK Dinamo (CRO) - Rosenborg BK (NOR)
Referee: Daniele Orsato (ITA)
Assistant Referee 1: Lorenzo Manganelli (ITA)
Assistant Referee 2: Alessandro Giallatini (ITA)
Fourth Official: Daniele Doveri (ITA)
Video Assistant Referee: Massimiliano Irrati (ITA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Marco Guida (ITA)
UEFA Referee Observer: Oğuz Sarvan (TUR)
UEFA Delegate: Mirosław Ryszka (POL)
21 August 2019, 21:00 CET - Berne (Stade de Suisse Wankdorf)
BSC Young Boys (SUI) - FK Crvena zvezda (SRB)
Referee: Danny Makkelie (NED)
Assistant Referee 1: Mario Diks (NED)
Assistant Referee 2: Hessel Steegstra (NED)
Fourth Official: Kevin Blom (NED)
Video Assistant Referee: Jochem Kamphuis (NED)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Pol van Boekel (NED)
UEFA Referee Observer: Kýros Vasáras (GRE)
UEFA Delegate: João Morais (POR)
21 August 2019, 21:00 CET - Piraeus (Stádio Geórgios Karaïskákis)
Olympiakós FC (GRE) - FC Krasnodar (RUS)
Referee: Carlos del Cerro Grande (ESP)
Assistant Referee 1: Juan Carlos Yuste Jiménez (ESP)
Assistant Referee 2: Roberto Alonso Fernández (ESP)
Fourth Official: José María Sánchez Martínez (ESP)
Video Assistant Referee: Alejandro José Hernández Hernández (ESP)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Juan Martínez Munuera (ESP)
UEFA Referee Observer: Emil Božinovski (MKD)
UEFA Delegate: Peadar Ryan (IRL)
Completely off-topic: here is the highlight video of NÎMES OLYMPIQUE vs OGC NICE, a very challenging match refereed by François Letexier (Category 1 in UEFA).
ReplyDelete=> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHFr1T3TAyA
I'd like to hear some opinions of these incidents:
Penalty for Nice awarded for handball (VAR supported the decision)
=> https://youtu.be/fHFr1T3TAyA?t=27
Penalty for Nîmes awarded after OFR
=> https://youtu.be/fHFr1T3TAyA?t=88
2YC for Coly (Nice)
=> https://youtu.be/fHFr1T3TAyA?t=134
2YC for Martínez (Nîmes)
=> https://youtu.be/fHFr1T3TAyA?t=164
Furthermore, Nîmes captain has been sent off with a straight RC for aggressive behaviour towards Letexier just after issuing the 2YC to Martínez. I also read on L'Equipe, that Letexier rejected two penalty shouts for Nîmes prior to their 2YC, it would be nice to have some more information about that.
Hi Stake, very interesting case study indeed, I also wanted to mention this game. Based solely on the highlights, it looks like a disappointing performance, below expected level.
DeleteMy thoughts:
1) penalty for Nice: wrong decision, the arm is used as support and points to the ground. This should IMO be considered as "clear and obvious mistake", so also VAR stuff
2) correct penalty to Nîmes after OFR, missed incident by Letexier
3) wrong 2nd YC to Coly (Nice). There is barely a pushing with the hand whereas the trip to the foot is unintentional and not worth a YC.
4) correct 2nd YC to Martínez (Nîmes), reckless challenge
So Skomina,Turpin,Brych,Kuipers,Zwayer and Rocchi for 2nd legs.
ReplyDeleteYes, I think so too.
DeleteOT:https://youtu.be/FyLBEBv4bx8
ReplyDeletePenalty or not?If thats the case than RC?
I think simulation, the player falls before the GK touches him.
DeleteI agree. No PK.
DeleteGiallatini is back after a very long injury, he missed whole 2018-2019 season. On last weeks he got a friendly (Roma - Rel Madrid,) an Europa League assignment and now this play off. He will make his return in serie A in the first matchdays. I hope he fully recovered.
ReplyDeleteOT: Ligue 1 (Matchday 3)
ReplyDelete24.08 (Saturday)
Amiens - Nantes, 17:30 CET, 20:00 CET, referee: Jérémie Stinat (VAR: Franck Schneider)
Stade Brestois - Stade de Reims, 20:00 CET, referee: Hakim Ben El Hadj (VAR: Olivier Thual)
Dijon - Girondins de Bordeaux, 20:00 CET, referee: François Letexier (VAR: Karim Abed)
Angers - Metz, 20:00 CET, referee: Stéphanie Frappart (VAR: Florent Batta)
25.08 (Sunday)
Monaco - Nîmes Olympique, 15:00 CET, referee: Amaury Delerue (VAR: Mikael Lesage)
Strasbourg - Stade Rennais, 17:00 CET, referee: Ruddy Buquet (VAR: Florent Batta)
Paris Saint-Germain - Toulouse, 21:00 CET, referee: Brisard Jérôme (VAR: Johan Hamel)
27.08 (Tuesday)
Montpellier - Olympique Lyonnais, 19:00 CET, referee: Mikael Lesage (VAR: Antony Gautier)
28.08 (Wednesday)
Lille - Saint-Étienne, 20:00 CET, 19:00 CET, referee: Olivier Thual (VAR: Sébastien Moreira)
Nice - Olympique de Marseille, 21:00 CET, referee: Clément Turpin (VAR: Jérôme Miguelgorry)
So no Turpin in CL or EL play-offs.
DeleteSurprising. So there is a better chance for Hategan and the British refs to get a CL play-off now.
DeleteHategan surely deserves a CL play off, if you ask me, more than English referees.
DeleteI agree, but the English have the advantage of VAR in their league now (and therefore possible VARs from England)
DeleteOT: LaLiga (Matchday 2)
ReplyDeleteFriday 23/08/2019
Granada - Sevilla (20:00)
Referee: José María Sánchez Martínez
VAR: Carlos del Cerro Grande
Levante - Villarreal (22:00)
Referee: José Luis Munuera Montero
VAR: Jesús Gil Manzano
Saturday 24/08/2019
Osasuna - Eibar (17:00)
Referee: David Medié Jiménez
VAR: Guillermo Cuadra Fernández
Real Madrid - Valladolid (19:00)
Referee: Pablo González Fuertes
VAR: Ignacio Iglesias Villanueva
RC Celta - Valencia (21:00)
Referee: Alejandro José Hernández Hernández
VAR: Mario Melero López
Getafe - Athletic Club (21:00)
Referee: Antonio Miguel Mateu Lahoz
VAR: Santiago Jaime Latre
Sunday 25/08/2019
Alavés - Espanyol (17:00)
Referee: Eduardo Prieto Iglesias
VAR: Javier Alberola Rojas
Mallorca - Real Sociedad (17:00)
Referee: Valentín Pizarro Gómez (debut)
VAR: Adrián Cordero Vega
Leganés - Atlético (19:00)
Referee: Ricardo de Burgos Bengoetxea
VAR: Xavier Estrada Fernández
FC Barcelona - Betis (21:00)
Referee: José Luis González González
VAR: Juan Martínez Munuera
Question: is this OK regarding attacking players on the defensive wall according to the new Laws of the Game (last video on the page). https://www.marca.com/futbol/primera-division/cronica/2019/08/17/5d5831c7ca4741766f8b4574.html
ReplyDeleteIn that situation, if the position of the attacking team is considered irregular, should VAR intervene and cancel the penalty? (Theoretically, not in that exact situation as I think there might be doubts).
I have to say that i am very satisfied with Danny Makkelie as a referee in Bern. I consider him as a rising star and one of the best young referees in the world. I wish him all the best in Switzerland. For return game in Belgrade I expect Skomina, Rocchi or Turpin (i would prefer Kuipers, too, but tho Dutchmen probably is not possible).
ReplyDeleteA Slovenian won't be appointed to a Serbian team.
DeleteWhy not? If German can be appoint to Swiss then Slovenian can go in Serbia.
DeleteName one example of a Slovenian in Serbia (Croatia, Bosnia ...) or vice versa in UEFA or FIFA competitions in the last 20+ years.
DeleteOh, and you don't know much about history and politics when comparing Switzerland and Germany to ex Yugoslavia countries.
DeleteI really can't understand people who still making problems about political shit... that was 20 years ago..... man balkan war is 20 years ago... should the Dutch also stay complaining about a German referee? This should have nothing to do with that.....a referee should, and is always neutral....and the referees who are there now have nothing to do with this shit 20 years ago, so why we should make problems about apointing a referee from Slovenia to a Serbian team, that's not fair!
DeleteAnd by the way..... here you got your answer... as mister Damir Skomina (slovenia) refereed the Euro U21 final in 2007... THE GAME Netherlands-SERBIA on 23th of june
DeleteDo you have some mental problems? Who is making "political shit"? Certaintly not me, I like all former Yugoslavia nations and I'd be delighted to see Skomina in Belgrade, Bebek in Ljubljana etc. I'm just saying that such appointments won't happen, at least for now. Ok, you found one single youth match, but that's obviously one single exception.
DeleteYou should point your rage towards people who make appointments, not me, and first of all calm down, fury is bad for your health.
Sale, the thing i said was not a personal thing to you, but in general :-)
DeleteBoth are right IMO. Skomina could theoretically officiate in Belgrade and he is experienced and great referee and very likely would do good job. However probably its advisable not to make such delegations. Its also the language, maybe not completely fair that referee understands every word (maybe insults too) of one side and not the other. Not critical argument though.
DeleteI'm certain that Skomina or any other top referee is completely neutral, but you cannot imagine how many supporters, even clubs of supporters of teams like Crvena zvezda, Hajduk Split etc. are there in Slovenia. It was a single country not so long time ago and you cannot erase all the traditions over night. So yes, I can understand the practice of non apppointing, even though I'm not defending it, as said.
DeleteAndreas Ekberg (SWE), Andris Treimanis (LAT), Georgi Kabakov (BUL), Srdjan Jovanovic (SRB) and István Kovács (ROU) appointed for FIFA U17 World Cup in Brazil (Árbitro Internacional)
ReplyDeleteEuropean VARs will be: Luís Godinho (POR), Ricardo de Burgos Bengoetxea (ESP), Marco Di Bello (ITA), Bartosz Frankowski (POL), Dennis Higler (NED), Craig Pawson (ENG) and Bibiana Steinhaus (GER)-
DeleteInteresting, Claudia Umpierez is appointed as main referree.
DeleteFull list:
Deletehttps://resources.fifa.com/image/upload/fifa-u-17-world-cup-brazil-2019-list-of-match-officials.pdf?cloudid=kkg9qf8zjbwh9vopioqf
So, if I get this right, FIFA sent all men as VAR to the Women's World Cup because there were no qualified women, and four months later, miraculously, they find Bibiana Steinhaus and assign her as VAR? Steinhaus was not retained as VAR after the group stage, FIFA preferring to employ men.
DeleteFIFA pretended that they had no qualified female VARs for the WWC, which is true only if you ignore the qualified women who were ignored (another that comes to mind is Christina Unkel, who has MLS experience as VAR and a long FIFA career). And now, if the idea is to use the U-17 WC to train VARs, what's the point of sending 40 year-olds?
Truly, I don't understand FIFA assignment policies.
Some words on Mateu's performance in the APOEL - Ajax game.
ReplyDeleteThough he started the game with quite a relaxed optic, it ended with his usual unique and expressive gestures - he had the control from the first to last whistle, players always responded well to him. Not just players: he 'connected' well with the Ajax coach at +93' and calmed him down. Such presence might give you the presence of the referee who would "do the players a few favours", but not the case. Three correct SPA cautions in the formative stages were part of a convincing disciplinary control; two softer cautions (reckless elbow/arm and rather careless studs tackle - the latter valuable though for balancing) were joined by seven correct YCs, including a heavy standing leg tackle 2nd YC (SFP was in sight there). Penalty correctly not given for a normal (trifling) football contact by APOEL GK at 88'.
In summary - very good performance by the Spaniard.
Correct penalty by Orsato in Zagreb, VAR confirmed.
ReplyDeleteNow a possible penalty in del Cerro game for deliberate handball, game was allowed to continue by VAR.
27': Possible handball penalty for Bern not given without OFR. My first impression is, that it should have been a penalty, because the arm moved towards the ball.
ReplyDeleteGreat onside call by AR2 confirmed by VAR in Zagreb at Dinamo's second goal.
ReplyDeleteIf I'm not wrong, ball was touched by defender, so this was the reason of NO FLAG, otherwise I think it was offside...
DeleteYes you are correct, but well seen by Orsato and AR. At first it looked like clear offside.
Deletehttps://www.goalstube.online/338Yes, the attacker didn't touch the ball, it was the defender. (I made the video slow-mo -
Deletethe trajectory of the ball didn't change when it passed the attacker's head. But we can't be sure about the hair. ;))
Orsato near perfect imo so far.
ReplyDeleteDel Cerro too lenient.
Very easy going game for Makkelie in first 35 minutes. Then it started to heating up. 2 correct, stonewall YCs, and one clearly missed YC for Young Boys in 41-42 minute. Very harsh fouls on Serbian best player Marko Marin. One wrongly given foul.
ReplyDeleteAbout potential penalty in 26' - it could be given. No intention to play the ball - therefore I believe VAR confirmed decision on the pitch.
Concerning the handball, at the moment arm touched the ball the defender lost balance a bit after push in the back by YB attacker.
DeleteAgain very harsh foul on Marin, and again same player that escaped YC in first half. This would be his second.
ReplyDeletePenalty after VAR in Berne. Penalty not wrong but I‘m not sure if an OFR was necessary because the Swiss striker lets himself go quite easily after minimal contact...
ReplyDeleteFor me not a clear penalty because there is not much contact. So for me OFR not necessary and 'no penalty' a right decision.
DeleteExactly my thoughts however if there‘s an OFR penalty is the expected decision but again play on should have been supported by Kamphuis
DeleteI agree, hardly a clear mistake to not award the penalty. So a wrong perception by Makkelie would be the only explanation for an OFR.
DeleteEven with the OFR, it would have been acceptable to not award the penalty IMO - but penalty is also not wrong.
VAR procedure is a real mess. No one knows how to implement it properly! I read here million times that referee is called for an OFR only when there is OBVIOUS MISTAKE! This wasn't the case - the decision on the pitch was supportable, it wasn't clear mistake. It was minimum touch, but the player fell as he was heavily injured. Disgrace. This was very crucial decision for the final outcome for qualification for CL. It can worth 15-20 million euros. I hope it will not.
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DeleteObvious mistake or missed incident. So it is possible that Makkelie rewatched it because he did not see the situation well. For me penalty was a correct decission.
DeleteExactly the opposite debate about Italian team and Orsato in Zagreb. Handball in 39'. despite the short distance, hand not in natural position with movement to block the ball. Still, no VAR intervention.
DeleteI cant yet find the replay, but here is screenshot of the situation.
Deletehttps://ibb.co/jkLvXPb
I just saw the highlights of the matches this morning and my personal opinion is that VAR should have supported the decision of Makkelie. This is not a clear and obvious penalty, ofcourse if penalty was awarded you can support that decision also. I think AR1 had a good view on the situation. The handball in Orsato match, deliberate is not in the law any more, now it's about natural or unnatural position of the arms. For me this is natural, and also because the defender is trying to avoid the contact by pulling his arm back close to his body. Correct from VAR to support play on.
DeleteDeliberate still is in the law:
Delete"It is an offence if a player:
deliberately touches the ball with their hand/arm, including moving the hand/arm towards the ball"
I could only watch last 20' of Del Cerro Grande in Olympiacos-Krasnodar.
ReplyDeleteSeems that the only 2 YC of the game were issued in the 3rd goal's celebration.
http://static-3eb8.kxcdn.com/documents/822/164203_210819_Circular_17_LoG_Laws_clarification_2019_20_EN.pdf
ReplyDeleteIFAB Circular 17 - Released today.
So if I'm not wrong, the chance to disallow a goal directly by VAR for deliberate handball is not mentioned, therefore I would say strongly condemned. There is always the need of OFR. That's my opinion as well. Handballs are not factual decisions. Referee must always see whether he agrees or not.
Now it's also clear that UEFA gave instructions that are clearly against IFAB's vision regarding execution of penalty kicks.
DeleteVAR HAS TO intervene if GK saves a penalty while having both feet off the line in the moment of PK execution.
Any Saudi Pro League Appointments?
ReplyDeleteThey should appear here later today:
Deletehttps://twitter.com/saudiFF
Carlos del Cerro Grande
ReplyDeleteHandball in 11'? No VAR intervention.
https://ss.sport-express.ru/userfiles/materials/146/1462628/origin.jpg
it bounced off defender's leg first
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