Referee appointments for Semifinals at 2019 FIFA Women's World Cup.
Match 49 (Décines-Charpieu)
2 July 2019, 21:00 CET
England - United States
Referee: Edina Alves Batista (BRA)
Assitant referee 1: Neuza Back (BRA)
Assistant referee 2: Tatiane Sacilotti Dos Santos Camargo (BRA)
Fourth official: Melissa Borjas (HON)
Fifth Official: Shirley Perello (HON)
Video Assistant Referee: Carlos del Cerro Grande (ESP)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee 1: Tiago Martins (POR)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee 2: Manuela Nicolosi (FRA)
England - United States
Referee: Edina Alves Batista (BRA)
Assitant referee 1: Neuza Back (BRA)
Assistant referee 2: Tatiane Sacilotti Dos Santos Camargo (BRA)
Fourth official: Melissa Borjas (HON)
Fifth Official: Shirley Perello (HON)
Video Assistant Referee: Carlos del Cerro Grande (ESP)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee 1: Tiago Martins (POR)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee 2: Manuela Nicolosi (FRA)
Match 50 (Décines-Charpieu)
3 July 2019, 21:00 CET
Netherlands - Sweden
Referee: Marie-Soleil Beaudoin (CAN)
Assitant referee 1: Princess Brown (JAM)
Assistant referee 2: Stéphanie-Dale Yee Sing (JAM)
Fourth official: Kateryna Monzul (UKR)
Fifth Official: Maryna Striletska (UKR)
Video Assistant Referee: Massimiliano Irrati (ITA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee 1: Mohammed Mohammed (UAE)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee 2: Chantal Boudreau (CAN)
Netherlands - Sweden
Referee: Marie-Soleil Beaudoin (CAN)
Assitant referee 1: Princess Brown (JAM)
Assistant referee 2: Stéphanie-Dale Yee Sing (JAM)
Fourth official: Kateryna Monzul (UKR)
Fifth Official: Maryna Striletska (UKR)
Video Assistant Referee: Massimiliano Irrati (ITA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee 1: Mohammed Mohammed (UAE)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee 2: Chantal Boudreau (CAN)
Predictions:
ReplyDeletePustovoitova for second semifinal
Final? Umpierrez? Beaudoin? (in case of out USA?)
Well if not Pustovoitova for Netherlands - Sweden, I will start to think that Collina and Busacca didn't like the YC she gave for simulation (the only of the tournament). Hopefully tomorrow they will prove I'm wrong. :)
DeleteRegarding Alves Batista, a referee who doesn't catch my attention, as I reported, but surely that's only my opinion and important thing is that she got the crucial call in her previous game right.
There could be other reasons? For instance the USA goal she allowed after OFR (against Sweden!!!). The Dutch won't remember her in a good way either.
DeleteBeaudoin the only other referee without an appointment, along with the Russian
ReplyDeleteBoth to be involved with 2nd SF in my opinion
I cannot share the enthusiasm of our readers about Edina Alves Batista's appointment. Great fitness and some firmness is not enough to justify a FIFA World Cup Semifinal! In the games where I watched her, her disciplinary control was close to non-existent: without verbal warnings and not punishing clear reckless / tactical fouls with YCs. She also missed two penalties in this competition (NED-NZL, ITA-CHN), besides a RC-SFP in her last game (I don't blame her too much for that on an expectation-perception-recognition level, but VAR had to intervene then). It seems FIFA really likes this permissive way of refereeing, that personally I cannot stand.
ReplyDeletePerhaps FIFA might regret now sending home Anna-Marie Keighley home without a KO stage inset.
Pustovoitova would be my preference for the Netherlands - Sweden game. Beaudoin, Jacewicz, Monzul, Venegas should be the other options.
I think Danny markelie will be in charge of Var in USA vs England game...
ReplyDeleteThen Carlos de cerro for Nederland vs Sweden....
Masminiano assaratti for the 3rd place....
Then Danny markelie for the final....
I mean Var team....
Masminiano assaratti? :-D
DeleteDanny markelie? :-O
DeleteBeaudoin for the NED-SWE semifinal, Umpierrez IMO is nailed on for the final. Third place game could be just about anybody's.
ReplyDeleteI envision that the USA - England match is going to be a bruising affair.
ReplyDeleteSo why do they keep Pustotoitova is they are not going to appoint her even as fourth official. Or is she getting the third place or final directly?
ReplyDeleteI am also surprised that Pustovójtova was retained and not appointed (even as 4th), although nothing should surprise us at a FIFA level.
DeletePerhaps, she was planned for this semifinal, but was vetoed by Netherlands (in the documentary following her she stated that she was abused following a NED-IRL qualification game) and / or Sweden (allowing goal after OFR in their game against the United States).
I can't be the only one who thinks it's wrong that teams can choose to veto which referee they get!??!
DeleteI don't think they can
DeleteNot only teams but sponsors too. That's why Faghani didn't referee WC final.
DeleteSo now we know why Pitana got the final...
Delete"¿Rusia o Coca Cola?"
England - USA VAR : Carlos Del Cerro Grande (ESP)
ReplyDeleteThanks to RF's (excellent) notes, find below highlights of the Italy - Netherlands game handled by Claudia Umpiérrez.
ReplyDeletehttps://streamable.com/thnq8
Thanks Mikael W...Excellent video
DeleteRF
5:07 is CLEARLY on the penalty area line. What was VAR doing?
DeleteDoing what they've been doing all tournament long
DeleteOT:
ReplyDeleteBREAKING: Official lists in Spain have been published by CTA-RFEF.
-Demoted from LaLiga: Ignacio Iglesias Villanueva (1975, Galicia). Now he will act as specific VAR, can't referee in 2nd Division as he's 44 and age limit there is 41.
-Retires due to age limit: Alberto Undiano Mallenco (1973, Navarre). He will not be VAR, will work in CTA with Velasco Carballo.
-Guillermo Cuadra Fernández (1984, Balearic Islands) proposed as new FIFA referee for January 2020.
-José Enrique Naranjo Pérez (Hernández Hernández's regular AR2) also becomes international. Javier Aguilar Rodríguez (Estrada Fernández's regular AR1) retires due to age limit.
-Promoted to LaLiga: Valentín Pizarro Gómez (1981, Madrid) and César Soto Grado (1980, La Rioja).
-Promoted to 2nd Division: Iosu Galech Apezteguía (1990, Navarre), Miguel Ángel Ortiz Arias (1984, Madrid), Jon Ander González Esteban (1985, Basque Country) & Alejandro Muñiz Ruiz (1991, Galicia).
And also, as this is a women's football topic, it's also noteworthy that Guadalupe Porras Ayuso (1987, Extremadura) is promoted and therefore she becomes the very first woman acting as AR in LaLiga.
DeleteThanks for all the news.
DeleteI am glad for Valentín Pizarro Gómez, he deserved that after a very good performance in Mallorca - Deportivo La Coruña playoff game. Great times for César Soto Grado, two consecutive promotions! Surely I will now watch his playoff game.
Also good in my opinion that Javier Alberola Rojas was kept from entering FIFA list for now, Guillermo Cuadra Fernández impressed me when I watched him - said with all the respect, no future Elite referee, but he deserves his place on the list. Ignacio Iglesias Villanueva with an inevitable relegation.
Fully agree with Cuadra Fernández, he's impressed me in his very first season and Alberola Rojas still needs some time.
DeleteWhen it comes to the promotions, fully agree on Pizarro Gómez, but I was expecting the promotion of Díaz de Mera Escuderos (1989 born referee from Castilla-La Mancha who is the first substitute for promotion in case of an unexpected retirement). Anyway, can't complain at all on Soto Grado, despite being a 'newcomer' (although he was quite "veteran" in age for the category) he's made an impressive season and had a very solid performance in his play-off game (Deportivo-Málaga, 1st leg of semifinal). Also, since Velasco Carballo is in office official standings are not published (instead, the lists are ordered alphabetically), but official report says that Soto Grado has been the best referee of the season.
Pulido Santana being the second substitute (as in the case of ROTS, you can guess the positions here) really feels like he was a very strong candidate but 'butchered' his chances with an awful performance in his play-off game (3 crucial mistakes for missed penalties).
Tomorrow from 14:00 CET onwards we will know about Italian referees for 2019/2020 season.
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It seems as feedbacks are all negative so far. We will see.
I don't think the design itself is bad. But the ''Legea'' text in the back is terrible and ugly.
DeleteBtw, what do you think, who should get a final World Cup '18, '14, '10? In my opinion - '10 - Irmatow/Webb, '14 - Rizzoli/Pitana (Argentina in final) '18 - Faghani
ReplyDeleteWas ist mit den deutschen Video - Assistenten ??
ReplyDeleteBoth German VARs had controversial situations in their R16 matches - maybe FIFA didn't like some of their actions there.
DeleteOr they will be appointed in one of the remaining matches - still possible, but not very likely, I think.
I assume the four QF VARs are the frontrunners for the last matches.
Appointing Zwayer/Stegemann after they were the sole cause of Australia leaving the tournament? Seriously?
Delete6" English player looked like she swung her arm around hitting the ball in her penalty box. No TV review, no VAR.
ReplyDeleteAnyone else think that challenge in the fifth minute was close to being a yellow card?
ReplyDeleteDidn't see it.
Deletehttps://streamable.com/bgqn6
DeleteClear YC.
Delete26th minute restart with a dropped ball as per law changes
ReplyDelete40th minute correct YC ....
ReplyDeletehttps://streamable.com/acfjv
DeleteEnglish player pushed U.S. player down in 41". Stop for VAR check but no full review.
ReplyDeleteGood performance in a normal 1st half....
ReplyDelete45" Horan elbow to English player's face. Great late YC.
ReplyDeletehttps://streamable.com/r3954
Delete49" missed offside and then missed YC for blocking release of goalkeeper's possession and possible contact. Then possible missed YC on English player kicking Ertz very hard in the leg without touching the ball in 50".
ReplyDeleteBlocking release of goalkeeper's possession is not a mandatory YC by itself, it must be stopping a promising attack (example, quick counterattack).
DeleteThanks for info.
Delete2-2 is offside
ReplyDelete65" YC was mandatory not only for tactical foul on U.S. player on promising breakaway but also reckless, but no card given. Very disappointing.
ReplyDeleteVAR says offside.
ReplyDeleteNo blame attached to the AR as that was super close.
DeleteI was hopeful of the Brazillian referee but feel she has been very weak, her mamagement has not been good enough
ReplyDeleteVAR correct disallowed goal
The problem with VAR is that there are usually no on field camera angles. They are judging inch close to see if an offensive player's body is slightly past the second to last defender's body using a camera that is extremely far away. It's not exactly scientific, but I guess it is an improvement over having uncorrected mistakes.
ReplyDeleteWhat was that in 75'/76'? All the players went to the touchline but very soon continued play. Was it really a drinks break?
DeleteI think Heath was down with cramps.
DeleteCarlos del Cerro grande with a very long and suffered decision here...
ReplyDeletePenalty for England missed by ref; VAR looking at it, but potentially previous offside
ReplyDeleteUnited States coach should have received a yellow card for coming onto the field in an aggressive manner. Fourth official practically had to drag the coach off the field.
ReplyDeleteIg the english striker was touched, it must be penalty in my eyes.
ReplyDeleteTo be honest, apart from this incident, I'm still not convinced by Alves Batista, she looks too much passive also in relations with players.
ReplyDeleteCrystal clear penalty and red card should be given. No attempt to play the ball. And a clear missed foul a minute before the penalty to USA.
ReplyDeleteNo card?
ReplyDeleteYC.
DeleteTV commentators saying not enough for PK, but obvious PK from one angle.
ReplyDeleteCommentators usually expect a broken leg for a penalty to be called.
DeleteTV commentators are, for the most part, uneducated about the LOTG, and therefore entirely irrelevant
DeleteExactly. RC for DOGSO but not given.
ReplyDeleteThat is probably the softest penalty I've ever seen given by VAR anywhere. I'm sorry but for me this just isn't a penalty. Just because there is maybe slight contact does not make it enough for a penalty imo.
ReplyDeleteAgree. No way a penalty.
DeleteShe clipped the trailing leg. Look at it. White would have scored.
DeleteFully agree. The review itself was surprising as well. Do they consider it as a missed incident (the referee was looking at that tacke) or clear and obvious mistake (not enough for me)?
DeleteMight well be a missed incident, because the referee did not notice the contact.
DeleteDid anyone watch her at the monitor? She spent a long time there and didn't look too convinced by what the VAR was telling her.
DeleteYes, that supports the thesis, that it was not clear and obvious, otherwise she would have come quicker to a decision. She probably was hoping to see something, which makes it a clear penalty. This did not come, so she had to decide one way or the other.
DeleteIt was considered as genuine attempt to play the ball, I think.
ReplyDeleteI think penalty is very correct. The touch is soft, but just enough to prevent a sure goal to be scored. In my eyes there was no attempt to play the ball, so I expected a RC...
DeleteSecond caution entirely correct.
Yes, that's probably what they considered but I think we can all agree there was no attempt at all to play the ball. The players obviosuly fouled by accident but it doesn't matter. She was running and fouled while not attempting to play the ball.
DeleteWas obviously not an attempt to play the Ball...RC missed...
DeleteIMO, in the sense of that law, it is a genuine attempt to play the ball. It only wants RCs for fouls, which are not accidental (like holding and pushing). That's at least the interpretation, which I know.
DeleteAlso it is not 100% DOGSO, because the attacker did not control the ball.
Both points combined, I prefer the YC here, but understand, that you can see it differently.
Clear SFP now. Studs with high force over the foot. Should have been a straight red not 2nd yellow.
ReplyDeleteYC correct IMO.
DeleteTo be honest I do not agree on the penalty decision. The contact, if any, was not worth a foul according to me.
ReplyDeleteClear tripping foul. This is the definition of a trip. She is about to shoot and gets obstructed by the opponents leg.
DeleteI barely see any contact, Victor. And I hardly believe it was enough to make the player fall to the ground. However, and most important, the decision was well accepted
DeleteSorry osbourne but i think you missed the good replays because from behind, it’s a pretty obvious trip...
Delete86' still not convincing by referee, at first it looked she didn't want to book, then she booked player but forgot it was second YC. Rc shown with a clear delay... I'm not impressed at all, she is too calm, not living the game.
ReplyDeleteI agree
DeleteHow tables can turn ;). Last Saturday we discussed a South American referee who was too aggressive, now we have one who is too calm. Alves Batista and Umpierrez acting as clear opposites this week.
DeleteWell in Umpierrez game there wasn't such tackle.
DeleteTotally agree with Chefren. Not convinced at all. Seemed lost with his cards...
DeleteI'd take Umpierrez and her attitude over Bastista a million times over
DeleteCan VAR intervene for a second yellow that should have been a straight red ? I know that the result is the same, but it is different administratively speaking...
ReplyDeleteIn the Netherlands he did once, that was a fun video to watch. The player was even called back from the dressing room to show him that the second YC is cancelled and he is directly sent off... So I guess he could have done the same here. And the result isn‘t the same, a player could f.e. be suspended longer after a straight RC.
DeleteI haven't seen such case but there is nothing in the VAR protocol that wouldn't allow to do that.
DeleteCould, but never would
Deletehttps://twitter.com/jamesallcott/status/1097441484729712640?s=21
DeleteIn Poland (not Netherlands) he did as to see there.
she was jumping behind so it is not attempt to play
ReplyDeleteSecond yellow card given. Could even have been a straight red.
ReplyDeletehttps://streamable.com/lgdda
Having seen Busacca and Coliina officiating matches in their prime. I find it hard to believe that they are actually pleased by this rubbish style of officiating.
ReplyDeleteAnd you say Umpierrez's style wasn't rubbish?
DeleteIt wasn't. If you felt emasculated or offended by her strong attitude. I don't know what to tell you. But everything else she has done all tournament long are Final worthy.
Delete93" wasn't actually a foul throw in but handling after the throw.
ReplyDeleteAdd it to the list of things that Bastista got wrong today. As there were many
DeleteNot much more than Umpierrez and probably you had in her and your previous matches.
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DeleteIt was funny how the fourth official forgot to turn on the substitution board and the ENG player tried to tell her that without immediate success. ;)
ReplyDeleteThe PK with a YC is correct. People who write red card doesn't feel the game and don't understand why this law has been created. It's made to prevent any unfair tackles to deny an obvious goal scoring opportunity. That's the philosophy of this law. A defender that by accident trips a player because of a normal running movement (crossing each other) isn't considered as a unfair tackle. However I know, black and white, it's not an attempt to play the ball, but this is feeling the game and knowing that a red card for something not deliberate is very harsh. Football understanding. Only referees want to see a red card here, players coaches and fans not. The tackle is a 2nd yellow card for me. Although the point of contact was on the shin, the speed and intensity was low and it was more or less a slight contact. No brutality. Compare this one with the tackle in the U21 final and you see the difference. Red card should be more then only a photo of the contact or seeing it in slow motion.
ReplyDeleteYes, common sense!
DeleteDo you not even realise ow ridiculous you are when you claim people here don't understand football and why the law was created? Embarrassing comment.
DeleteYes that's my personal opinion. Red card for something accidental is not using common sense, exactly what anonymous wrote. It's about feeling the game. If you want to officiate by the book, that fine to me, but don't judge people who want to officiate with understanding.
DeleteYes, Proref is correct, yellow card for the penalty situation is good decision for the world of football. This is a football action.
DeleteJust like retake of the penalty when keeper is only 3 cm from the line (Nigeria-France/Scotland-Argentine) is ridiculous from VAR Makelie/Dankert. That is not understanding of football. Turpin in USA-Chile was correct with no retake for few cm off by keeper, that is common sense!
Some people here only are black/white with no feeling for the game.
Basically you are saying 'good job for not following the laws of the game and affecting the outcome of the match''
DeleteMarcus, these are the instructions at the World Cup as Pierluigi Collina mentioned in the press conference. Pierluigi said that Makkelie and Dankert did what they had to do and what also was told to the teams before the start of the WC. This is an experimental phase of the new law. Clement was the one who made a mistake according to the instructions. So your example has nothing to do with the common sense.
DeleteStrange comparison of Marcus. A referee decision and a VAR decision. Football understanding is for VAR very difficult, mostly they have to make factual decisions.
DeleteBut what has instructions from collina have to do with common sense? Entire world of football (players, coaches, public) disagreed with retake of the penalties, just as you said players, coaches, public don’t want red card in the penalty tonight. For me is the same, no matter what collina says.
DeleteMarcus, you clearly lack VAR refereeing knowledge and common sense. As Collina said, goalkeeper encroachment in penalty kicks is a totally black/white i.e. factual decision, and Turpin made an incredible mistake. The LotG states that if the GK leaves the line with both foot, it is a retake. It doesn't matter how many cm it is. Because if it would matter, the problem won't dissapear - for example, if the threshold would be 15 cm, anyway retake would be needed when it is 16 cm. It would just make it harder for VAR to spot whether there is encroachment. These are simply the LotG. Ridiculous opinions coming from you.
DeleteI’m sorry but ProRef starts with ridiculous opinions. Ignoring the LotG when he wants and insulting people with other opinion, and precisely following LotG in penalty retake situation and again saying people with other opinion have no knowledge. Strange.
DeleteEdina Alves is a terrible ref. Hardly qualified to referee the USA vs England game on Jul 02 2019. The penalty call against the USA was totally wrong even after reviewing with VAR. Alves should go back to Brazil.
ReplyDeleteReferee was poor but penalty decision correct as player's leg was clipped (albeit accidentally, hence YC) as she swung to strike the ball
DeleteNot a referee for World Cup semifinal.
ReplyDeleteWhy would anyone think that the U.S. player's contact with the English player that led to the PK was accidental? She had no chance at getting to the ball, so she tried to make contact with the back of the player to affect the shot, which she did. RC was warranted IMO, just as it was against Erntz in the 2015 World Cup semi-final against Germany when she took a player down from behind on a breakaway and affected her shot but only got a YC.
ReplyDeleteNot penalty. Mistake of VAR.
ReplyDeleteVAR team for tonight: Irrati (ITA), Mohammed (UAE), Boudreau (CAN)
ReplyDeleteENGLAND vs USA
ReplyDeleteEdina Alves Batista (BRA)
Carlos del Cerro Grande (VAR)
(-) 4.30 ENG 8 should recieve yellow card for reckless tackle
(+) 21.40 Possible penalty situation (ENG). Play on was the correct decision. Contact not enough for penalty IMO
(+) 39.11 ENG 6 yellow card for illegal use of arm
(-) 45.15 Poor managment not only by the referee but also VAR....ABD 9 yellow card for illegal use of arm. Referee didn’t whistle free kick in the beginning.She stopped the game because one player was on the ground/injury.Then Somebody told her it should be a free kick so she changed her decision and gave direct free kick.Then she was going to take a position suddenly somebody told her again it must be yellow card for illegal use of arm..This is not acceptable.Referee should not act as a robot.Let her decide or not.What if she misses this faul or yellow card! Don’t tell referee everything if you can not manage to do like this one.Very bad example about teamwork between VAR and referee
(-) 49.50 Referee gave free kick in favour of ENG then somebody told her to change the direction!! Again same problem
(-)65.05 ENG 17 should recieve yellow card for tactical faul
(+) 66.50 ENG goal correctly disallowed after VAR intervention for offside (AR2)
(-) 76.30 Referee didn’t allow the player to come back field of play after her treatment.I don’t why she wanted game to stop to allow her to back the field
(-) 78.16 Penalty was given to (ENG) after VAR intervention.If you look at the defender from the first second till the end of action She is only running.No extra movement,no pushing,no tripping.While Attacking player was going to shoot, AP made the contact by her foot accidentally.How can we blame defender for this contact (she did not do anything,only running) to whistle penalty.I really wonder Why VAR Intervened this one but No Intervention minute 21.40? So in my opinion no penalty and Wrong Var Intervention
(-) 85.30 ENG 6 (second) yellow card for reckless (tackle) and sent off.IMO It should be red card for SFP.VAR should intervene this one because there is a difference direct red and second yellow about how many weeks penalty will be given by disiplinary committee.(Again referee showed yellow card very late -after 25 seconds faul committed-.Somebody should have told her)
(+) 94.52 ENG 7 yellow card for reckless
RF
Still many thanks for your excellent work, believe me, many people read here without commenting, so be sure everything is very appreciated.
DeleteAccording to former FIFA referee Jonas Eriksson there are some recommendation in the big tournaments to be restrictive on giving the red card for DOGSO if not 110% clear. He was also were certain that it was a penalty kick. "No intent, but a big consequence/effect on the play, by the touch on white players leg"
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ReplyDeleteYou should feel ashamed for your comments against Chenard 4 years ago.
DeleteNo thanks
DeleteI realy dont like the fact that Beaudoin is wearing yellow kit, I needed some time to detect her on the pitch...
ReplyDeleteLight blue would be much better.
DeleteDutch GK is wearing light blue.
DeleteI know it's ridiculous. Or I at least think that it's ridiculous that the referee kit color cannot be of the same color of one of the two GK's.
8' Missed foul.
ReplyDelete9’ missed corner—AR2 flagged it but the referee overruled her.
ReplyDeleteor was the ball out on the first touch? AR waited for play to continue for review?
DeleteYes, the ball was clearly out...
DeleteIf the AR "waited" an then signaled the ball out after the Dutch player touch. It's her mistake, as that ball never FULLY crossed over the goal line.
DeleteOn the other hand of the AR was correctly signaling for a corner kick because of Dutch GK last touch. Then the mistake is on Beaudoin who was in no position to overrule her AR.
*Swedish player touch
DeleteFirst small mistake by Beaudoin. The ball never fully goes over the goal line before the Dutch player crosses it. The Dutch GK then spills the ball over the goal line for a Swedish corner kick. AR2 correctly signals for a corner. But Beaudoin who was in no position to judge the goal line gives a goal kick.
ReplyDelete*Swedish player crosses it
Deleteor was the ball out on the first touch? AR waited for play to continue for review?
DeleteThe referee whistled, so she awrarded a goal kick for the first out
DeleteThe ball did not "fully" cross over the goal line after the Swedish touch
DeleteIt didn't, so she made a mistake. But good that she waited for the attack to finish.
Deleteplease remember that the angle shown on TV was not conclusive either way. its shown on an angle thus not giving a view down the line. sight lines matter
DeleteOf course, Unknown. That is also what Collina tried to tell the knowledge-lacking people in the refereeing briefing. But from the angle we saw it looked like not out even when considering the deviation from top-view angle.
DeleteOkay, so AR are not only supposed to keep their flags down until the end of play for possible offside but also for for possible ball in or out calls? Because if AR2 was so certain that the ball had gone over the end line. Why not raise it then?
DeleteI haven't heard anything about that but I hope they are supposed to wait also in such cases. Regarding this particular situation, I think that the AR signalised for the second in/OUT. As she wasn't sure for the first, she didn't signalise.
DeleteThat's the impression that I get also. That the AR raised her flag when the ball "fully" went over the goal line after the Dutch GK touch.
DeleteAnd it's a slippery slope and sets a dangerous precedence if AR's begin to leave their flags down for everything so that VAR can then do their job for them.
DeleteI think it is beter to not whistle an out than to whistle an no-out and then have another kind of a "Kulalbakov case".
DeleteI've heard of and seen Kulbakou (Kulbakov).
DeleteBut referee Kulalbakov is unknown to me. So I am unaware of said "incident" with this referee.
Sheriff, your comments are often just so ridiculous. I wrote the comment on mobile. I made a spelling mistake. Of course I know how Kulbakov's name is spelled. Just after I wrote my comment I noticed it. I considered to write "* Kulbakov" but I didn't do it as I wanted to save comment place, not like you posting idiotic nonsense comments. I didn't correct my mistake because I thought that everyone will understand what I mean but as I see now, some people lack the intelligence to do that.
DeleteInstead of using a comment space to pointlessly rant. How about explain what the Kulbakou incident was. Which is what my comment was about in the first place As I am genuinely unaware of the "Kulbakou case" you talk about. You seem to want to educate us all who are lesser referee's than you. So this is you opportunity.
Delete13" missed offside and possible YC for stomping on Dutch GK's hand?
ReplyDeleteits so hard to say if offsides are missed now. AR's will delay until play is finalized. once GK has ball, no need for flag?
DeleteNeed for flag even if GK gets the ball.
DeleteI'd like to go back to a comment someone posted yesterday saying that the American player didn't mean to clip the back of British player on the PK, so it shouldn't have been a RC. First, I think the American player did intend to make contact with the back of the British player in order to affect the shot, as she had no chance at playing the ball. Second, I don't think it is good to try to judge intent here, as 1) it isn't really possible to know 100% the American player's intent, and 2) if a defender accidentally trips an offensive player on a one on one breakaway with the goalkeeper, it should still be a RC despite the lack of intent, so the same criteria should be used in yesterday's situation.
ReplyDeleteI agree. Each and every player is responsible for his or her body and what he or she does with it. Intentional or not, they must control their body parts.
DeleteYes, the intention should not be considered. More important is, who was more responsible for the contact. Sometimes it can be the attacker, who causes it more than the defender - maybe also accidentally. Then it should rather not be a penalty.
DeleteBut that sometimes is very difficult to judge, so that we have to rely on the referee's opinion in such situations. IMO, yesterday's situation is a good example for it: We have opinions (with good arguments) ranging from 100% penalty to 100% no penalty - so clearly not a clear error anyway.
So, Philipp S, would you conclude that Del Cerro intervention was wrong because not VAR stuff?
DeleteOn the other hand, that commenter said something along the lines that a RC would have gone against the spirit of the game. I think what it came down to is that the American player fouled the British player so subtly and so skillfully that not only did the referee not call a foul during play but some people didn't see the foul in the replays. That type of foul is almost a work of art. So, with so subtle a foul that wasn't called during play, it might have appeared harsh to give a RC using VAR, so I consequently understand the spirit of the game argument.
DeleteThe English player was most certainly not looking for a foul on that play. She was looking to score. Her leg was in full swing to shoot when it was clearly clipped from behind by the American player. An American player who was clearly caught out of position and beaten. Her only option on the play was to foul the English player to try and prevent her from scoring. The American player did a great job disguising her foul to make it look unintentional.
Deletewhat did they just call at the 45th minute?
ReplyDeleteOffside? They restarted with a free kick.
DeleteYeah it was a bit confusing as there was also an in/out play close to the goal line.
DeleteThey called an offside. But I don't get why the IDK was taken from where it was taken because the player in offside position touched the ball near the goal line. At the point where IDK was taken the player was when the pass was. made. Isn't the IDK supposed to be taken where the offside player touches the ball not where she was when the pass was delivered.
DeleteTerrible, terrible mistake by Massimiliano Irrati. He HAD to tell Beaudoin to stop the game, totally forgiveable perception mistake for the referee, but it was a CLEAR penalty, VAR team absolutely has to see that.
ReplyDeleteUnacceptable.
Maybe Irrati was checking and AVAR Mohammed didn't tell Beaudoin to stop the game, as a possible explanation.
DeleteIn any case, I repeat myself: unacceptable.
Good eye Mikael. I had questions about it also. But once play resumed they dissipated.
DeleteDid not have the game up the last few minutes. What minute did the penalty mistake occur?
Delete67' Indeed unacceptable mistake. Although there was enough time to make an initial check, I think we can blame AVAR again.
DeleteAre you referring to the situation in the Dutch penalty area? If so, I also had my doubts but they went away after play was resumed.
DeleteNot clear penalty, no VAR is ok.
DeleteApologies for the poor quality, you can find the incident in the clip below.
Deletehttps://streamable.com/hzjng
My initial opinion of the play remains unchanged. That's a clear PK. The contact is directly with the foot of the attacking player. At no point does the defending player ever touch the ball.
DeleteNo ball, but enough contact with opponent? You can discuss.
DeleteNot clear ????? This is a cristal one. Dutch player kicked swedish foot and didn’t touch the Ball. Unacceptable error by Irrati and Mohamed...
DeleteThe images don't lie. The same images that VAR has available to them.
Delete@Anonymous (22:52 and 23:01) Sorry but I hope you aren't referees...
DeleteIf UEFA referee's are regularly assigned to matches that have a UEFA team versus a team from another confederation. Why can't Borjas or Venegas be assigned to a USA match?
ReplyDeleteThey can be assigned. But in FIFA's opinion they do not deserve.
DeleteUnderstandable. But as far as I know. No referee's from CONCACAF, OFC, CAF, AFC have been assigned to matches involving a team from their home confederation. Deserving or not. And there have been many deserving referee's from non UEFA nations that have been among the best referee's at World Cups (men & women).
DeleteUS assistant referees officiated Canada with Kate Jacewicz as referee.
DeleteVery true, good point. But I am talking more about main referee's not AR's.
Delete90+2' Referee seriously interfered with play without touching the ball. Due to the interference NED got the ball and nearly scored. Would be very crucial mistake in that case as nothing could be done afterwards. Maybe she should touch the ball intentionally ball...just joking. But I think the LotG should be changed in regards to such situations.
ReplyDeletehttps://law5-theref.blogspot.com/2019/07/2019-fifa-womens-wc-marie-soleil.html
ReplyDeleteWe can continue here. Thanks.