Tuesday 21 February 2023

Champions League 2022/23 - Referee Appointments - Round of 16 (First Leg, III)

The third set of referee appointments for CL Round of 16 first legs. Games to be played on 21 February 2023.


21 February 2023

21:00 CET - Frankfurt Am Main (Frankfurt Stadion)
Eintracht Frankfurt (GER) - SSC Napoli (ITA)
Referee: Artur Dias (POR)
Assistant Referee 1: Paulo Soares (POR)
Assistant Referee 2: Pedro Ribeiro (POR)
Fourth Official: Fábio Veríssimo (POR)
Video Assistant Referee: Tiago Martins (POR)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: João Pinheiro (POR)
UEFA Referee Observer: Karen Nalbandyan (ARM)
UEFA Delegate: Eugène Westerink (NED) 

21:00 CET - Liverpool (Anfield)
Liverpool FC (ENG) - Real Madrid CF (ESP) 
Referee: István Kovács (ROU)
Assistant Referee 1: Vasile Marinescu (ROU)
Assistant Referee 2: Mihai Artene (ROU)
Fourth Official:  Horatiu Fesnic (ROU)
Video Assistant Referee: Massimiliano Irrati (ITA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Marco Guida (ITA)
UEFA Referee Observer: Hugh Dallas (SCO) 
UEFA Delegate: Nils Fisketjonn (NOR)

87 comments:

  1. Good morning my best friend chefren who will referee Liverpool vs real Madrid ?

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    1. Hi Mohamed, sorry, I wasn't here. As you can see, it is Kovacs, quite a surprise for me, given how Orsato was used this week end in serie A.

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    2. Chefren Do you think Orsato could go out tomorrow for Leipzig - Manchester City, which would be the only match where he can be designated since the other one is Inter - Porto, or do you think he could go out directly for some returns?

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    3. Sorry I read only now your question!

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    1. No, Kovacs will be there. Source: uefa.com

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  3. Who is the best in Romania hategan or kovacs before hategan injury ?

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    1. Hațegan was higher rated and favourite for Qatar above Kovacs. Also, among the candidates for the UEL final last year. But after the tragic event from last spring, Kovacs showed great performances and he proved that he deserved every succes he achieved.

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  4. Irrati after Barcelona-Manchester game? Is it a joke?

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    1. Exactly my thoughts! It seems he is untouchable whatever he does (or rather does not!) in his games.

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    2. Surprised to see Irrati as VAR in Liverpool - Real Madrid. The man is doesn't is like Teflon, nothing sticks to him. Hoping he has a lot better match in the UEFA VAR booth.

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    3. I must say that Irrati seems to have lost a lot of the credit he had also as referee, given his recent displays. Yesterday it was his return in serie A after an extremely long time due to many courses and seminars. He officiated Sampdoria - Bologna in which he whistled two penalties, the first one looks quite soft but it can be justified for a very naive action of holding (very soft for Italian standards), second for me is a mistake, again handball with arm used as support of the body. I think VAR should have intervened, but he didn't. For me a clear mistake, but more suprising than that is the fact that Irrati whistled it being aware of the position of the player.
      Also, in recent times, many controversial decisions with him involved as VAR, I don't know but maybe travelling so much and being always with the mind busy in seminars and so on is definitely not good.
      Until a few time ago he was absolutely the top in terms of VAR and also a very good field referee (let's also remember Mikael's words in this regard), but now it looks totally different.

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  5. Today in the Netherlands, Kudus scored for Ajax and removed his shirt with a message for Christian Atsu (RIP). Pol Van Boekel opted not to show the mandatory yellow card, thoughts?

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    1. Nothing but big respect for Boekel!

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    2. Respect for van Boekel in the moment. But you know his observer will have a word with him after the match.

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    3. Yes. I think the law is nonsense to be honest but it’s very risky to not follow it regardless of circumstances. The next time he pulls out a card for removing the shirt he won’t have it easy

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    4. I can't support such things, because then it puts other referees in a very tough spot when they have to rule on similar incidents in their matches. Maybe something slightly more controversial than this, then what? It is a stupid rule, but it needs to be enforced evenly throughout. Asking referees to make subjective judgements about whether a personal or political message is "good enough" to get out of this sanction is a very, very slippery slope.

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    5. Excellent of Pol van Boekel to feel the situation right here, every idiot knows what happened in Turkey, and as a referee Van Boekel shows that he also has human feelings, I think there must be a difference between a player who just randomly takes off his shirt to celebrate a goal, or like Kudus has an important message/tribute to someone, and he also asked the referee to allow this before the match, I think this is a very nice gesture of respect , and this shouldn't be "rewarded" with a yellow card...... showing a yellow card would be absolutely disrespectful, and not appropriate to the circumstances

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  6. AFC Champions League R16 today:

    Ad-Duhail Doha (QAT) - Ar-Rayyan (QAT)
    Referee: Yūsuke Araki (JPN)
    Assistant Referee 1: Isao Nishihashi (JPN)
    Assistant Referee 2: Takumi Takagi (JPN)
    Fourth Official: Hanna Hattab (SYR)
    Video Assistant Referee: Hiroyuki Kimura (JPN)
    Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Jumpei Iida (JPN)

    Ash-Shabab Riyadh (KSA) - Nasaf FK (UZB)
    Referee: Adham Makhadmah (JOR)
    Assistant Referee 1: Ahmad Ar-Ruwaili (JOR)
    Assistant Referee 2: Muhammad Al-Kalaf (JOR)
    Fourth Official: Muhannad Sarai (IRQ)
    Video Assistant Referee: Umar Al-Ali (UAE)
    Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Ahmad Al-Ali (KUW)

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    1. Can I ask where you get the AFCCL appointments? AFC doesn't even publish them on their website. Thank you for this.

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    2. From YT coverage on The AFC Hub channel (most likely geoblocked in most countries but it works in Poland)

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    3. I just checked YT and the channel is not geoblocked in Canada. Good to know, thank you.

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    4. AFC Champions League RO16 West (February 20)

      Al-Faisaly (KSA) - Foolad (IRN)
      Referee: Ahmed Abu Baker Al-Kaf (OMA)
      Assistant Referee 1: Abu Bakr Al-Amri (OMA)
      Assistant Referee 2: Rashid Hamid Ali Al Ghaithi (OMA)
      Fourth Official: Ali Sabah Al-Qaysi (IRQ)
      Video Assistant Refere: Omar Mohamed Al-Ali (UAE)
      Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Ahmed Alali (KUW)

      Al-Hilal (KSA) - Shabab Al Ahli (UAE)
      Referee: Fu Ming (CHN)
      Assistant Referee 1: Ma Ji (CHN)
      Assistant Referee 2: Lakrindis George (AUS)
      Fourth Official: Ko Hyungjin (KOR)
      Video Assistant Referee: Sivakorn Pu-Udom (THA)
      Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Alexander George King (AUS)

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  7. Well surely nobody will call me a conspiracy theorist for noting VAR's unofficial intervention in *this* scene, from the Panama vs. Papua NG playoff this morning:

    https://streamff.co/v/7XxO2lpILr

    (and you could barely make a better parody of modern refereeing that despite the ultraaa blatant nature of this off-the-ball VC, a red card is not necessary even in instruction because 'lack of force')

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    1. What to say... Scandalous on many levels.

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    2. VAR staying silent here is just laughable.

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    3. I wouldn't even argue that VAR stayed silent per se. They surely whispered something to Reibelt (AUS, the ref), because she had a good view, but did nothing at all at first. FO Mónzul': nothing. VARs, Muniz (BRA) & Di Iorio (ARG), both will be at the WC, failed here.

      Of course, FIFA will be happy with it. Clear underdog, why reduce them to 10, nobody cared too much, "lack of intensity" yada yada yada.

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    4. Wow! How VAR didn't recommend Reibelt for an OFR on the intentional stomp on Pinzon's (PAN) back by Padio (PNG). You can see it was not by accident as Padio was looking directly down at Pinzon. Reibelt, Mónzul', Muniz and Di Iorio are all going to be at WWC this summer and this just makes a complete mockery out the correct use of VAR.

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    5. Deliberate act. Raising the leg so high means that player was aware she wanted to put it on opponent's body. No VAR intervention is simply a scandal there, but I wouldn't exclude a big lack of knowledge from VAR. This would explain the miss in a more acceptable (but only under a certain aspect) way.

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    6. And as a reward for her wise moderation, Reibelt has now been the given the perhaps biggest of the three play-off deciders between Portugal and Cameroon. Truly great days for refereeing we live in!!!

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  8. What terrible refereeing by Jefferson Escobar (HON) in Costa Rica - Puerto Rico of the Concacaf U17 Tournament, he showed his lousy level in Mexico - Panama and now he does it again.
    The level of refereeing in Concacaf is horrible and bad.

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    1. And speaking of the Concacaf U17 Tournament, now Puerto Rico is beating Costa Rica and would face Canada for a spot in Peru.

      In addition, Guatemala will face the United States for a ticket in another game and Mexico seems to already be in Peru, they will face the winner of the game between El Salvador and Trinidad and Tobago but with the level that Mexico shows, they are in Peru.

      A little about the concacaf tournament!

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  9. Chilean referee Piero Maza has been denounced by his ex-wife for domestic violence shortly before the Conmebol Recopa he is (was?) about to handle. Let's see what happens.

    https://twitter.com/ArbitroInteBlog/status/1628005131072557057

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    1. The tweet is calling for him to be removed from the game. I disagree, think about the frightening precedent that sets: if a referee crosses the wrong person, he/she can put out some sort of accusation against him a few days before a big match and have him removed without any due process? That would be terribly unjust and would empower bad people to threaten referees which such actions.

      Domestic violence is a serious matter, but CONMEBOL shouldn’t react too hastily here, let’s see some proof before we punish the accused.

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  10. OT: The top friendly (2nd vs 3rd in the world ranking) between Germany and Sweden is currently refereed by Shona Shukrula from the Netherlands.

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  11. Fully correct penalty for Napoli immediately whistled by Dias.

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  12. Correct penalty by Artur Dias, but you will never find a more reckless challenge than this one. Missed YC.

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  13. Now 42', correctly disallowed goal by AR2, very good call and in a rather challenging moment of the game, a few seconds immediately after a goal scored, when an assistant referee could be relaxed for a while.

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  14. About the rest of first half for Dias, surely some minor things to be reviewed, not an optimal timing in whistling some fouls (20', 25'), first one was a very blatant missed advantage. Then in 30' he interfered with play but he allowed it to continue because the same team remained in possession of the ball. Nervetheless, to be reviewed because I think it could have been offside and very controversial in case of goal. Earlier in the game, some appeals for handballs, the first one in the early minutes, it wasn't clear at first glance, a few later (should have been about minute 7') a replay was shown, to be reviewed. Later, a fully correct play on after a save by keeper who sent the ball on the arm of a teammate (this is never punishable).
    I would say OK Dias, but missing maybe sometimes in the read of the game.

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  15. Tremendous game on Anfield and an excelent performance so far.

    Good onside decision at first goal by AR2 Artene
    Possibile penalty in 8', correct decision, I think, as I saw no clear contact between players
    Good advantage let in 12' before Salah missed shot.
    Questionable handball whistled in 44', need a replay
    Missed a foul on Salah in 45+1'

    And nothing else. A solid performance so far. Only 6 fouls made, 3 by each side. A pleasure to watch this kind of football.


    Have you noticed that since the unfortunate mistake last summer, in August, in that UECL game in Bulgaria, I. Kovacs always check that the kick off is correctly started? He is very strict, no players in the other half of the pitch. It happened to restart it in Arabian Gulf Cup, in UCL in autumn and domestically in Romanian First League as well as tonight after the second goal. This is the perfect example of learning from your own mistakes.

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    1. People from the same country as a referee should not comment about his performance. You lose credibility. Dutch people praising Makkelie, Polish praising Marciniak, Romanian praising Kovacs and Hategan. And talking trash about their rivals. Remember Dutch people trashing out Turpin last year. Pathetic.

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    2. I agree on the individual situations and the evaluation as solid performance, but "excellent" seems exaggerated here.

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    3. @lukas086 I've NEVER trash talked about any referee. Furthermore, I think I am pretty objective. The only time when, I admit, I was a little bit heated was at Euro 2020 but consider that those were the very first days on this blog. After that I took a couple of weeks off and I came back changed, trying to be a valuable member. And look, I watched 3 UCL games these 2 weeks and for me, excellent performances by Gil Manzano and Kovacs and a very good one by Oliver. I noticed for myself the key moments from the second half and I was going to post them since nobody write anything about this game but .. I don't know, some encouragement word would really help now, am I not a valuable member on the blog?

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    4. Matei: IMO there are (by far) more merited targets to lukas' observation -- indeed we can perhaps wait for some of them tomorrow -- than a post which visibly tries to be fair and indeed gives specific minutes of scenes (I didn't watch either game tonight so I appreciate that!). I like your contributions to the blog; you are clearly a passionate refereeing person. I'd guess that you have a wider smile on your face when Kovács does well compared to referee x, but I don't see anything really wrong with that tbh ("excellent" is appropriate in the sense of 8,5/very good/faultless in a normal match as well as ≤8,8/warzone/manyKMIs etc). Rather I'd thank a regular contributor for commenting (with detailed) scenes about a game which wouldn't have been discussed otherwise rather than criticise because we know ref/commenter are from the same country - and in that regard lukas' tone was a bit wrong, IMO.

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    5. Strange because nobody say anything about Liverpool penalty appeal. Kovacs was thrased by romanian newspaper because ot this and by former referee Ion Craciunesu. I don`t know if Taylor or Oliver whistled this penalty. And I ask Matei opinion who is romanian like me.

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    6. Which situation? The push against Darwin?

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    7. Thanks Mikael, I appreciate it!

      Yes, it is the push against Darwin. I won't pronounce but I saw many pro and cons opinions. The question is why Irrati didn't check it at all.

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    8. I think, Irrati made the mistake by not checking that push... IMO a push from the player who is on the ground, and not even trying to play the ball, against the player in the air is ALWAYS a fault... Clear penalty for me!

      BTW, Irrati made hige mistakes last week in Nou Camp also... How could he get this match after that!??

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  16. Excellent RC for SFP by Dias. Again a quick decision.

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  17. Straight RC in Frankfurt by Soares Dias (58'), very interesting situation.
    I think VAR should confirm but in reality YC seems to be better decision, while RC harsh (but not 100% wrong).

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    1. IMO simply wrong, he gets to the ball and cannot really avoid the contact, YC

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    2. IMO RC is fully correct. Of course, player did not want to hurt his opponent, but he was stepping on his opponent's leg. Very high intensity, very dangerous and no try to minimise the danger of the step. Even German commentators + referee expert Wolfgang Stark fully agree with Soares' decision.

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    3. Very hard to escape that,I mean player is on the floor,and YC was correct,but RC is very harsh

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    4. I don't like that RC, because Kolo Muani is in possession and even gets to the ball first - yes, his final movement (long step) is dangerous, but I don't think that is enough. Furthermore his opponent can completely expect what Muani would do and comes too late - therefore he endangers himself at least as much as the fouling player does.

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    5. But Ref_1707 is right, the card is completely accepted in German media.

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    6. In situations like that, there will always be two "sides":
      Those who argue that the contact is unavoidable/bad luck/unlucky consequence of a typical movement
      and those who rather focus on the responsibility of the player to ensure the opponent's well-being.
      I thin, there will be no definite solution for that unless there are much clearer information by IFAB/federations.

      In this case, I rather agree with Ref_1707: the player is responsible for the highly dangerous contact because his final step is of very very high intensity and he should be aware of the potential danger this step has.

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    7. Seems to be the unpopular opinion on here but I prefer red on that challenge. He may get a piece of the ball, but he stomps down quite hard on the opponent’s shin, with direct contact. It’s excessive force and endangering the opponent’s safety.

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    8. I disagree with the RC, a poor decision in my view. This was an unfortunate collision, caused by BOTH players.
      Contrary to German media Dutch commentator disagrees with the RC.

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    9. Kolo Muani takes a heavy touch, is annoyed, the defender gets a better path to the ball - indeed he plays the ball fairly. Kolo Muani is annoyed, so leaves his foot in (down), making a strong open contact with his opponent's shin, realises he might be sent off for the foul, so pretends(?) to be injured to try and 'muddy the waters'. It seems verrryyy generous to me saying that a top professional athlete would make such a contact as an 'accident'; especially after the 'easy' signal that a bad foul is coming: the heavy touch. I must say, to me it seems that Soares Dias 'computes' these factors instantly on the FoP, and delivered the (IMO) right decision - red card for SFP.

      You can surely argue against the RC for 'not enough force' in a foot down scenario, but to say 'accident' seems a bit misplaced, to me at least.

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    10. After watching the replay below, I am also strongly pro-RC here, basically having the exact same perception as Mikael outlined in his comment above. Flip's last sentence also presents a very valuable factor in assessing this as SFP as well, IMO.

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    11. Lutz Wagner (DFB) says: "The red card was possible, but not mandatory. Of course Kolo Muani does not want to commit this foul, but he takes a high risk and from the hit and the open sole red is not wrong at all. There are also good arguments, such as touching the ball just before kicking it and putting his foot down naturally after his step, which argue for yellow. Referee Soares Dias, who was otherwise a very good manager of this game, was very quick to make a decision at close range and very confident in this scene on the pitch. In no way was this a wrong decision, forcing the VAR to intervene. After a detailed analysis of the scene, the yellow card would have been the more appropriate decision in view of how the scene unfolded and the character of this match."

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  18. Really harsh red. Yellow would have been okay.

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  19. Muani Red Card (FRA/NAP )

    https://streamable.com/nwhkjn

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    1. I suggest to use a different video uploader than streamable. Recently, they are deleting everything, both for copyright and new policy for free users.

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    2. NEW UPLOAD!

      Muani Red Card (FRA/NAP )

      https://streamff.co/v/hinxIg-69V

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  20. I don't think you need high elite referees for the two second legs

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    1. That's an interesting question for UEFA now. Are those games decided enough to give them to somebody with less experience.
      Same question also for Benfica-Brugge.
      There are still many "high elite" referees not used, but some of them could also get a direct QF.
      Another option would be to use the main candidate for the final in one of those games with the usual idea of protecting him.

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    2. Given the gistory of Real Madrid making things comlicated(Juventus,Oliver),and the fact that these 2 teams are one of the best in history,I think we will se some Elite who needs to be saved for rest of the competition,maybe even CL final candidate.
      So I wont be surprised if some big name has 2nd leg.

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  21. Notes from Mukansanga’s game Chile vs Haiti:

    - Very interesting penalty kick given after OFR, I’m not sure if the exact minute it was given in roughly the 88th. I’m sure there will be a lot of discussion about his one.

    - 90+13’ presents an interesting scenario as well. Haiti winning by a goal, Chilean keeper is up for a corner and collides slightly with the Haitian keeper. I want to see the replay again, but it didn’t seem like too much contact on first look. Mukansanga didn’t call a foul, but then stopped play seconds later due to the injury, as Chile had been about to cross the ball into the penalty area. I think there is a debate to be had here about this one. Some will argue that it is unfair for a team to have a chance to score while a goalkeeper is down injured. Others will say that it was not a serious injury and so it is unfair to deprive Chile of the opportunity to score. One thing is for sure, football doesn’t have a good solution for situations like this with an injured goalkeeper during play.

    - There has been sooooooo much timewasting in some of these games despite *extremely* rigorous timekeeping by all the referees, perhaps even more rigorous than at the World Cup. I think fitness is an issue for many of these players, to be blunt. In some games they have been really fatigued by the end; I think they are wasting time to slow the game down and catch their breaths. I can only imagine how bad the timewasting would be if referees were happy adding on just 2, 3, 4 minutes instead of 11…

    - Mukansanga’s whistling technique reminds me of Bamlak Tessema Weyesa, if you know you know XD

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    1. Last play-off
      PAR-PAN: Monzul, Striletska (UKR), Baranowska (POL), Mukansanga (RWA) - Bin Jahari (SGP), de Vries (BEL)

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    2. The penalty including VAR intervention is the correct decision, I think, because the pulling is clear enough.
      A question is, whether it actually should be DOGSO, but that is probably borderline.

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    3. POR-CMR (Reibelt/Guzman) was decided by an injury time handball penalty given after OFR.
      I think, that is the expected decision nowadays, although there are some arguments for a natural arm position.

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    4. On the Haiti penalty: I actually don’t think the attacker was ever getting to the ball at all. In real time it felt like she had no chance for it. I think the penalty is correct for the holding, but I definitely wouldn’t call it DOGSO - even the yellow card feels like a bit of a stretch for me because of what I see as a low likelihood for control.

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  22. Frappart for Real Madrid - Liverpool? ;-)

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  23. Positioning and missed offside incident in Frankfurt - Napoli:
    https://streamja.com/OpV27
    What a weird situation created by referee's touch, assistant referee absolutely unaware of the extremely clear offside.
    In case of goal it would have been very controversial, VAR would have intervened, but people would have blamed the crew for interfering.

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    1. Yes, strange situation.
      It's clear that a goal should not have counted due to the offside.
      Should it actually have been a drop ball for Napoli?
      Because the offside position caused by the referee means a change of possession, so that Law 9.1 applies?

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    2. In my opinion that's a nuance not included in LotG. Let's just be happy that nothing happened.

      After rewatching the situation, I think clear penalty to Eintracht missed in 5', but impossible to see if not checked carefully by VAR.
      I would bet that VAR officials totally missed this incident.
      A clear replay was shown 2 minutes later:
      https://streamja.com/ZBjVw
      https://streamja.com/zBzyq

      18' Penalty appeal for handball, correct to play on
      https://streamja.com/w3rPy

      20' - 25' missed advantages, early whistles, first situation was very blatant mistake:
      https://streamja.com/vjrAN
      https://streamja.com/Xv2Po

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    3. 5' Never a punishable handball

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    4. On 5'... the Napoli player seems to be in his normal running motion and the Frankfurt player has an arm across him anyway, restraining his movement somewhat. When you layer in the fact of how minute and inconsequential the ball to hand contact is (no, not relevant per LOTG but relevant in the real world of officiating) I think you have anything but a "clear" penalty. At most, you have a debatable penalty appeal that was difficult to detect in the first place.

      I lament the direction officiating has gone. Common sense, management and judgment used to matter. If we are in a world where this incident is now a "clear penalty missed," we might as well just sit back and wait for AI and the robots to take over. If anyone can make the argument that the sport is better off if incidents like this are punished via video review with penalty kicks, I'd love to hear it.

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    5. I agree with you both. @Chefren is probably right with his thought that the VAR missed the incident. @Usaref IMO is fully right with his evaluation of the handball. It was a normal, natural arm movement without any intention to hit the ball, also considering he was walking and not standing. Therefore, he also did not enlarge his body surface in an unnatural manner. For me, it is a good example that not every handball is punishable. Especially in Germany, I am quite sure, a handball penalty would have surprised...

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  24. My thoughts on Portugal - Cameroon: Reibelt (AUS) [VAR: Guzman (NCA)]

    6’ YC for reckless arm, correct

    33’ no foul called, rather long check for potential SFP. No OFR. It’s not a red to me because there appears to be no clear forceful contact with the studs, but we could ask for a yellow card due to the height of the challenge (foot on knee).

    44’, very reckless YC for a hard swing if the arm to the face

    46, meaty challenge just outside of the Cameroon box, no card

    53’ step on the opponent’s leg, no foul called, VAR check for possible red card, no OFR. I think this would be a very interesting situation to discuss. In my view this is actually PIADM from the player on the ground The way I see it, the Cameroon player on the ground has endangered herself by jutting her leg out, the Portuguese had no chance of reacting to that. But I’m sure there are a wide variety of opinions on this one.

    67’ yellow card seemed harsh to me on first look (don’t take my word for that) didn’t get a good look on the only replay but I think foot on foot with contact to the ball? One to look at again perhaps.

    69’ looked like a missed foul by CMR, possibly even YC, worse than the 67’ one. No replay on this though, so, again, take my word with a grain of salt :)

    70’ possible penalty?

    84’ Cameroon score but it’s offside, very good call by AR1 Charaktis (AUS)

    90’+2’ OFR for handball. Nice and quick review, clear handball is penalized and correct YC.

    90+10 clear DR (kicking the ball away from a player who wanted a quick throw) ignored… classic FIFA these days

    Reibelt projects a lot of confidence with her alert-looking movement and signals (the same can be said for her ARs, too), but - as we saw the other day - I am left with some questions about the accuracy of a few decisions, including an important handball which really should have been seen without video. AR1 Joanna Charaktis correctly disallowed a late Cameroon goal on a very tight offside, well done to her.

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