Discussion about Round of 16 Games at 2023 Women's World Cup.
Match 49 (Auckland)
5 August 2023, 07:00 CETSWITZERLAND - SPAIN
Referee: Cheryl Foster (WAL)
Assistant Referee 1: Michelle O'Neill (IRL)
Assistant Referee 2: Franca Overtoom (NED)
Fourth Official: Ivana Martincic (CRO)
Fifth Official: Sanja Rodak (CRO)
Video Assistant Referee: Marco Fritz (GER)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Pol van Boekel (NED)
Video Assistant Referee: Marco Fritz (GER)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Pol van Boekel (NED)
Offside Video Assistant Referee: Ella De Vries (BEL)
Match 50 (Wellington)
5 August 2023, 10:00 CET
JAPAN - NORWAY
Referee: Edina Alves (BRA)
Assistant Referee 1: Neuza Back (BRA)
Assistant Referee 2: Leila Cruz (BRA)
Fourth Official: Katia Garcia (MEX)
Assistant Referee 1: Neuza Back (BRA)
Assistant Referee 2: Leila Cruz (BRA)
Fourth Official: Katia Garcia (MEX)
Fifth Official: Enedina Caudillo (MEX)
Video Assistant Referee: Daiane Muniz (BRA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Nicolas Gallo (COL)
Offside Video Assistant Referee: Mariana De Almeida (ARG)
Video Assistant Referee: Daiane Muniz (BRA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Nicolas Gallo (COL)
Offside Video Assistant Referee: Mariana De Almeida (ARG)
Match 51 (Sydney)
6 August 2023, 04:00 CET
NETHERLANDS - SOUTH AFRICA
Referee: Yoshimi Yamashita (JPN)
Assistant Referee 1: Makoto Bozono (JPN)
Assistant Referee 2: Naomi Teshirogi (JPN)
Fourth Official: Oh Hyeonjeong (KOR)
Assistant Referee 1: Makoto Bozono (JPN)
Assistant Referee 2: Naomi Teshirogi (JPN)
Fourth Official: Oh Hyeonjeong (KOR)
Fifth Official: Park Misuk (KOR)
Video Assistant Referee: Carol Anne Chenard /(CAN)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Abdulla Al Marri (QAT)
Offside Video Assistant Referee: Sian Massey-Ellis (ENG)
Video Assistant Referee: Carol Anne Chenard /(CAN)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Abdulla Al Marri (QAT)
Offside Video Assistant Referee: Sian Massey-Ellis (ENG)
Match 52 (Melbourne)
6 August 2023, 11:00 CET
SWEDEN - USA
Referee: Stéphanie Frappart (FRA)
Assistant Referee 1: Manuela Nicolosi (FRA)
Assistant Referee 2: Elodie Coppola (FRA)
Fourth Official: Casey Rebelt (AUS)
Assistant Referee 1: Manuela Nicolosi (FRA)
Assistant Referee 2: Elodie Coppola (FRA)
Fourth Official: Casey Rebelt (AUS)
Fifth Official: Ramina Tsoi (KGZ)
Video Assistant Referee: Massimiliano Irrati (ITA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Tatiana Guzman (NCA)
Offside Video Assistant Referee: Katrin Rafalski (GER)
Video Assistant Referee: Massimiliano Irrati (ITA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Tatiana Guzman (NCA)
Offside Video Assistant Referee: Katrin Rafalski (GER)
Match 54 (Brisbane)
7 August 2023, 09:30 CET
ENGLAND - NIGERIA
Referee: Melissa Borjas (HON)
Assistant Referee 1: Shirley Perello (HON)
Assistant Referee 2: Sandra Ramirez (MEX)
Fourth Official: Emikar Calderas (VEN)
Assistant Referee 1: Shirley Perello (HON)
Assistant Referee 2: Sandra Ramirez (MEX)
Fourth Official: Emikar Calderas (VEN)
Fifth Official: Migdalia Rodriguez (VEN)
Video Assistant Referee: Armando Villarreal (USA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Drew Fischer (CAN)
Offside Video Assistant Referee: Felisha Mariscal (USA)
Video Assistant Referee: Armando Villarreal (USA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Drew Fischer (CAN)
Offside Video Assistant Referee: Felisha Mariscal (USA)
Match 53 (Sydney)
7 August 2023, 12:30 CET
AUSTRALIA - DENMARK
Referee: Rebecca Welch (ENG)
Assistant Referee 1: Natalie Aspinall (ENG)
Assistant Referee 2: Anita Vad (HUN)
Fourth Official: Marie-Soleil Beaudoin (CAN)
Assistant Referee 1: Natalie Aspinall (ENG)
Assistant Referee 2: Anita Vad (HUN)
Fourth Official: Marie-Soleil Beaudoin (CAN)
Fifth Official: Chantal Boudreau (CAN)
Video Assistant Referee: Nicolas Gallo (COL)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Juan Soto (VEN)
Offside Video Assistant Referee: Mariana De Almeida (ARG)
Video Assistant Referee: Nicolas Gallo (COL)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Juan Soto (VEN)
Offside Video Assistant Referee: Mariana De Almeida (ARG)
Match 56 (Melbourne)
8 August 2023, 10:00 CET
COLOMBIA - JAMAICA
Referee: Kate Jacewicz (AUS)
Assistant Referee 1: Kim Kyoungmin (KOR)
Assistant Referee 2: Joanna Charaktis (AUS)
Fourth Official: Marta Huerta de Aza (ESP)
Assistant Referee 1: Kim Kyoungmin (KOR)
Assistant Referee 2: Joanna Charaktis (AUS)
Fourth Official: Marta Huerta de Aza (ESP)
Fifth Official: Diana Chikotesha (ZAM)
Video Assistant Referee: Pol van Boekel (NED)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Marco Fritz (GER)
Offside Video Assistant Referee: Ella De Vries (BEL)
Video Assistant Referee: Pol van Boekel (NED)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Marco Fritz (GER)
Offside Video Assistant Referee: Ella De Vries (BEL)
Match 55 (Adelaide)
8 August 2023, 13:00 CET
FRANCE - MOROCCO
Referee: Tori Penso (USA)
Assistant Referee 1: Brooke Mayo (USA)
Assistant Referee 1: Brooke Mayo (USA)
Assistant Referee 2: Mijensa Rensch (SUR)
Fourth Official: Anna-Marie Keighley (NZL)
Fifth Official: Sarah Jones (NZL)
Fourth Official: Anna-Marie Keighley (NZL)
Fifth Official: Sarah Jones (NZL)
Video Assistant Referee: Alejandro José Hernandez Hernandez (ESP)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Muhammad Taqi (SIN)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Muhammad Taqi (SIN)
Offside Video Assistant Referee: Sian Massey-Ellis (ENG)
The US going out opens up things for Korolova and Penso. I think Penso is significantly better than Korolova and also has the benefit of being extremely comfortable with VAR which we've seen be important for FIFA in the last two mens WC.
ReplyDeleteR16 4th official assignment for Anna-Marie Keighley (NZL), i.e. unlikely she will be picked for QF/SF/F. Bronze medal game for her?
ReplyDeleteI heard from an insider that there was 1 ref who’d only do 4th official after a poor showing in her first game. Can’t remember who it was tho
DeleteSo referees without an appointment in R16 (ref or 4th), but with 2 GS games are: Staubli, Monzul, Olofsson, Koroleva, Caputi, Carvajal, Fortunato, Mukasanga, Karboubi
ReplyDeleteSo they are more or less the shortlist for the QF, most likely excluding Karboubi due to performance and Caputi due to experience (and UEFA alternatives).
I think, it probably will be 2 UEFA + 1 CONMEBOL + 1?.
For UEFA, Staubli should be safe and then probably a decision between form (Olofsson) and experience (Monzul).
For CONMEBOL, it's tight between Carvajal and Fortunato. Maybe a slight edge for the Argentinian for her Olympic experience (Bronze m medal game) and a still complete team.
Mukansanga is a big question IMO. Her performance were not really good enough, but maybe politics (otherwise no CAF) and her WC2022 reputation can help.
Koroleva would be a simple and logical alternative.
Or FIFA does 2 UEFA / 2 CONMEBOL as in 2022, but IMO least likely.
Of course also possible, that a R16 referee gets a QF or someone gets a direct SF - much more difficult to predict then.
Last 4 games probably heavily depend on the results of AUS/ENG/FRA/JPN/SWE national teams, because the referees from those countries seem to be among the candidates right now.
I think you can't compare 2022 vs 2023. On the mens side UEFA and CONMEBOL are so far ahead of every confederation its not even funny. On the women's side you could argue CONCACAF (especially the US) is on par with CONMEBOL.
DeleteYes, I agree with that.
DeleteBut IMO still possible, that (independent from confederations) they rank Carvajal AND Fortunato higher than Koroleva, e.g. based on experience. But as I wrote, least likely.
I also agree with that. Koroleva is a good official in a high level women's league. Penso is a good official in a pro men's league with a lot of var match experience. She should be considered with those like Frappart and Co.
DeleteYou people's inability to see outside of UEFA and CONMEBOL is truly astounding. If I remember correctly, some of the worst performances came from referees from those 2 confederations. A referee from a major country (Huerta de Aza, Spain), a referee considered to be CONMEBOL's best (Calderas), and a highly experienced European referee (Lehtovara). Each of them utter failures. Something that no CONCACAF or AFC referee can be labeled as. But you all keep your blinders on, unable to see beyond 2 confederations. The referees from those other "lesser" confederations will continue to excel where it matters, on the pitch. Even though I have zero faith in the FIFA Referee Committee rewarding referees based on performance principle.
DeleteHahaha you obviously didnt watch Yamashitas sh*tty theatre show at USA-NL when you say that no AFC referee can be labeled as failure.. How she got NL-SA after that is beyond me. But she falls in the "Alves Batista/Frappart/Monzul category". Brilliantly blind, closing eyes to obvious fouls/YCs and being rewarded for delivering nothing. Till now CONCACAF refs have impressed me most by far..
DeleteAnd mukasanga was so bad in sweden-Argentina
Delete@Philipp: Olofsson might be in a difficult spot. She can’t referee a game in the upper half of the bracket (NED vs ESP and JAP vs SWE).
DeleteThe other bracket, it will also depend on the teams.
Nigeria/England vs Colombia/Jamaica? That doesn’t scream a European to me, unless Nigeria wins against England.
Could they give her Denmark again? I think, no ‘neutrality’ issues if Denmark plays against France. Against Morocco is different. Furthermore, if Australia proceeds and plays France, I don’t see the Swedish in charge. Denmark vs France or England losing is probably what she should hope for…
Hm, AUS-FRA could be OK for Olofsson, I think.
DeleteBut yes, in general it could be a problem for her, that SWE is playing in the QFs.
For UEFA and CONMEBOL referees to be compared to CAF referees. Because that's how poorly they performed. Is truly embarrassing and shameful. Huerta de Aza and Calderas are by far the biggest disappointments.
Delete- Huerta de Aza because she carries that UEFA chip on her shoulder and the fact that she represents such a powerhouse nation.
- Calderas because she was widely viewed as the best from CONMEBOL. Having been continuously assigned to many major matches in the past couple of years.
Yamashita is of course a terrible referee based on the "by the book" method. But you cannot deny that she has gone out in every one of her matches and executed to perfection what the FIFA Referee Committee wants their referees to do. NED - USA didn't boil over and blow up in her face. Only because the players kept their composure. It most definitely wasn't because of something she did well. But again, she's refereeing in "the FIFA way".
Delete"FIFA did not respond to questions about the U.S.-Sweden margin, and a spokesman said the governing body wouldn’t comment on the technology’s error margin. FIFA's goal-line tech provider, Hawk-eye, prominently known for its automated tennis judging system, didn’t immediately respond to an email either."
ReplyDeleteI'm sorry but this posturing and attitude by the involved parties doesn't help the situation. It only adds to the lack of transparency and further fuels the publics long held sense that FIFA cannot be trusted.
No CAF appointment even as 4th official or AVAR...
ReplyDeleteOnly Chikotesha as 5th official - btw in her first appointment overall, I think.
And no AFC / CAF appointments as main VAR.
DeleteIn my opinion the only small chance for CAF was to see Mukansanga in a Round of 16 game, but she didn't convince to get it.
Clear and obvious? I do not believe that would be overturned in England/Uefa
ReplyDeleteOMG. And this is a World Cup. Refereeing must be the easiest profession in the world - nobody ever takes responsibility or gets fired and even the most incompetent people without a basic football knowledge get hired.
DeleteI really want the referee's explanation at times like this. Not just tell the results.
DeleteJudgment that it is a legal contact around the waist instead of pushing by hand?
NEVER EVER a clear and obvious error, I'm shocked
ReplyDeleteIt was never a penalty to begin with. Uefa does not want such soft penalties
ReplyDeletePenalty call by Mellisa Borjas and called for OFR by Armando Villarreal
ReplyDeleteChefren, If Mukansanga did not convince to get a R16, did Yamashita and Frappart convince any more than Mukansanga did? You guys are shocking here.
ReplyDeleteI wrote that Frappart didn't deserve a Round of 16 on paper, you can go back and read, but indeed she is selected because "believed" to be the best. About Yamashita, surely better than Mukansanga, but I don't see this talent FIFA sees in her.
DeleteHow can Borjas issue a YC for an RC action? She clearly sees the deliberate stomping
ReplyDeleteThere was a delay to her giving the YC, I wonder if the 4O told her and she had missed it completely as the ball was elsewhere at that point
DeleteNope not buying your excuse for her. She saw it and she of her own choosing tried to take the easy way out. Afraid to be brave and enforce the LoTG to the letter. Thus forcing VAR to do her job for her.
DeleteHaving seen it back I was wrong, there wasn't the delay I thought and Borjas did appear to be looking directly at it
DeleteHappy about this RC VAR intervention as well. I like what Villareal is doing.
ReplyDeleteAgree. However, VAR should not be necessary in situations like these. It seems the referee doesnt know the rules and therefore VAR needs to step in and make it allright. This is the WC, referees must be able to know the basics. The worlds best female players deserve professional refereeing, this is plain amateur level
DeleteWhat do you expect from an MLS referee who hasn't achieved anything as a main referee at international level.
DeleteAt least we can rule out Borjas for the final now…
ReplyDeleteAbsolutely; Borjas performance is abysmal. First she calls a phantom soft PK for England and VAR has to tell her to take another look to get it right. Then with the players giving her plenty of feedback that they are getting frustrated with her inconsistency for what is a foul, we get the James incident. Again VAR has to tell her to take another look and give out the necessary red card. However, the James incident never even occurs with a competent referee who can read the game. Call the obvious foul and there is no emotional boil over. So simple. Borjas is done for this tournament. England star (who does deserve to be sent off) misses at least 1 and likely 3 games because Borjas was NOT a proactive referee.
DeleteThe red card for VC after review is absolutely correct, but it could have been prevented if Borjas simply had called the hold by the Nigerian player that frustrated the English. Also not sure what she saw originally to go yellow. Not Borjas's best night, in all honesty.
ReplyDeleteYou want her to call something that wasn't there? I must say though, that I'm not surprised by your absurd suggestion. As you've shown yourself to be a CONCACAF and MLS referee apologist.
DeleteThe Nigerian player is literally seated on the grass when James attempts to go through her. She stumbles as she isn't able to go through the player and then stupidly lashes out by stamping on the fallen player. Borjas completely fails as she clearly saw the stamp and ridiculously decided to show only yellow. And just like that, gutless Borjas is done.
What does being an "MLS referee apologist" have to do with Borjas? Particularly given the fact that an MLS referee is the one who intervened to call attention the red card.
DeleteI also just love "Anonymous" accounts using other people's user names to note patterns of posts and then attack them for it.
Whether you're right or wrong in your assessments, you're an absolute coward.
Now excellent VAR intervention for the red card.
ReplyDeleteThis is the sense of VAR.
And with this OFR, Melissa Borjas said "goodbye" to the final, she was a strong candidate, but impossible after that.
DeleteWait, now Villareal is not intervening on the clearest of all penalties????
ReplyDeleteMaybe he's tired of making (the right) calls on behalf of Nigeria.
DeleteBorjas shouldn't continue the tournament after tonight.
I'm sorry but if you intervene to take away the first penalty, I don't really see how you can intervene to give this one
DeleteNot a clear penalty at all. I'm cool with the no call, would probably ok with it called either way. And in context of the one reversed earlier (although this one was certainly more of a foul), I think no call is the better call. There's really not thaaaat much force in the contact, the attacker goes down easily.
DeleteIf I lightly touch your shoulder and you fall, it's not much contact and not a penalty.
DeleteIf a human truck hits you with 30km/h from the back and you fall, it's a lot of contact and a clear penalty.
No VAR intervention for the blatant ENG barge from behind on NGA in area ?? Wow.
ReplyDelete113” incorrect placement for the drop ball. It’s where it hit the referee not where the player last touched the ball.
ReplyDeleteWhen it rains it pours. She knows that she effed up any chance to go further. Even the basic things can't be done right.
DeleteLetting a captain decide the side for the penalty kicks after the coin flip isn't exactly, what the LotG say...
ReplyDeleteWe should remember this Nigerian goalkeeper has bad memories of penalty kicks with Borjas :D
ReplyDeleteIt felt like the players were held for a long time before each penalty was allowed to be taken... an interesting one, it can't have helped
ReplyDeleteI thought the same thing, she shouldn't have interfered with play by taking so much time between penalty kicks. This created a more stressful situation for both teams. You can tell by the first two shots that did not score
DeleteWell, that's one less candidate for the Final.
ReplyDeleteIn typical CONCACAF fashion, crumbles under pressure and sinks any hope for advancement. Unable to string together an entire tournament of good performances.
A really embarrassing missed deflection and corner by Welch
ReplyDeleteAnd now missed booking for Australia foul.
Delete61' Ha, when Welch is back in the EFL/WSL that level of asking for a card would be a card in itself this year. A last warning seemed fair for the inital foul from Ruso in line with this game
ReplyDeleteAgreed, good management for both.
DeleteIf this is the last we see of Welch at this tournament, I think she can be quite pleased with herself. A set of 3 games of roughly medium difficulty, and we can only find minor critiques, missed fouls here or there, a missed corner kick etc. Good and reliable work at the tournament from Welch. Progressing to further rounds will be difficult as it depends on other referees and on the performance of the England team.
ReplyDeleteGoodbye Borjas and Welch.
ReplyDeleteWhat do you think about the candidate of the final ?
DeleteTori Penso is a true candidate ... if she performs well tomorrow FRA vs MOR
DeleteThat's a big "IF".
DeleteCONCACAF referees both in men's and women's have shown to be unable to string together a full tournament of good/acceptable performances.
Have a bad feeling it will be Alves Batista tbh, I don't rate her personally but she did well in her R16 game, she is from a neutral country and also has the experience
DeleteAn American at the WWC doesn't really get much of an opportunity to string together a full tournament of performances for obvious reasons.
DeleteI think Yamashita for the final if Japan eliminated
DeleteYamashita should be out if either Japan or NL will be there. 3x NL would be far too much IMO
DeleteMay be Alves.
DeleteIf she was in charge of another fight, I think it would have been a terrible. Japan is calｍ, so it's easy to have an easy match..
If only Rebecca Welch was getting the same treatment by UEFA as Frappart is getting, than Welch could be far better than Frappart,
ReplyDeleteWelch is most underrated referee , she had an awesome performances apart for minor incidents she missed, but those incidents didn’t change the game ✊🏾
One of Polish most prominent journalists said today that Szymon Marciniak will handle a game in Saudi Arabia in the coming days but Saudi FA offered him to live and handle games there for around two years, till the next World Cup. I wonder how FIFA is going to solve this regarding WC selection.
ReplyDeleteOr UEFA (EURO 2024).
DeleteHe should just stay there. He'll find many like-minded (politically) people.
DeletePredictions:
ReplyDeleteqf: Staubli, Olofsson, Monzul, Fortunato
semis: Penso, Frappart
3rd place: marie-Keighly
final: Jacewicz
question for the community:
ReplyDeleteIs it possible that a QF-Referee (or a ref who hasn‘t handled a round of 16 match) will get the final? For example staubli, fortunato?
For sure. At the last WWC Frappart got the 1/4 before the final.
DeleteAnd Monzul 2015 (JAPAN - AUSTRALIA).
DeleteThe normal path I think is 2xGS+QF before a final. Only doing two games before a final like Marciniak did in Qatar is quite unusal
DeleteNyberg did 1 GS, 1 1/4 and then final in U20...
DeleteMonzul should be on the plane home ,very poor referee ,she is only at the World Cup as a political appointment
DeleteUefa super cup referee ne zaman açıklanacak
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ReplyDeleteI just watched the highlights of Dutch Super Cup officiated by Lindhout (thanks Euro Soccer Ref) and I must say that something is definitely not good. Incredible level of leniency, he allowed everything to players, just issuing yellow cards only in two situations, then game became a war. If he hadn't booked in 54', I would have stopped to watch the video.. honestly. I think his way to development is still extremely long. If UEFA waited so long time before promoting him (leaving NED without a Category 1 for even more than a year) there should have been a reason. To be honest at moment he doesn't seem to ensure the control of the games he is about to referee. Still no appointments after Under 21 and the situation must be followed closely. Let's just wish something can change. By watching this video, my mind went back to Brazil - Colombia WC 2014....
Wait, what… Chefren, are you joking? NL based person here and I’m shocked by the sour comment. Nobody talked or complained about Allard Lindhout after the match. Not the players, the coaches, supporters, people in media, people in podcasts. Nobody. Players fully accepted this lenient approach. And it contributed to a very intense yet entertaining match. Two high pressing teams. Luckily there weren’t any KMI’s though! So what is the problem? This is not Italy where every contact is exeggerated. NL topgames are intense and fysical. You may find it too lenient, but in the Netherlands, players tend to be annoyed or frustrated when a referee is too strict of you get what I mean (whistling every contact…)
DeleteIf you already call this a “war”, you obviously didn’t watch the Cup final … :) The Supercup was fully under control. Watching highlights doesn’t tell you the big picture.
DeleteThere were some small incidents in an otherwise ‘quiet’ game. Yes, I call that a quiet game compared to some top games and derby’s last season (Gozubuyuk, Makkelie, Higler they all had their hands full tbh). In general players behaved well. That’s why your negative comment surprises me a bit
Chefren is showing his soury italian colors as he has done a lot last months. Bashing every ref taking decisions against italy, saving it will have enormous consequences (especially regarding lindhout since FR-Italy.) Shame he hasnt had the same approach to the refs of his own country who with exeption of Orsato should be at the first category at best. I dont hear anything about that anytime when they get favoured again....
DeleteHonestly the leniency is preferred by both teams, especially Feyenoord. Last season, Feyenoord coach Arne Slot had a loooong chat with Makkelie during the break (FEY-PSV). Asked him to let the game flow a bit more.
DeleteLindhout is indeed more lenient than Makkelie and Gozubuyuk. That’s why Lindhout’s games are always so entertaining to watch. Gozubuyuk is in my eyes the least lenient referee, taking no risks at all. He whistled everything in the Classico. Makkelie is somewhere in between.
@23:28: same negativity about Siebert and Jovanovic. Rosetti’s treatment has always been awful when a referee has a controversial game involving an Italian club or NT. Not the same if it happens in another country. This isn’t fair IMO.
To be honest I'm surprised by the tone of the answers, after having just reported by my opinion.. I watched the video because ESR made the highlights and posted them here. Glad to hear that Dutch people are happy with this style and I can understand in this regard. Absolutely nothing personally against the referee, but I think he should officiate in a different way to develop in UEFA. We will see about his future, but I also want to repeat again that this blog doesn't have any power to influence committee. They take decision based on their ideas.
DeleteI think it's a Dutch thing to have such intense and rough games (see their national team). This game was even not so challenging as it could have been, the players didn't make it totally impossible to referee as it's often the case in games between top Eredivisie teams. What I want to underline is the always hostile atmosphere at De Kuip, passionate but also extremely unfriendly, I wouldn't like to officiate there, to be honest.
DeleteLindhout had a great use of advantage what greatly contributed to the game. To make the game flow, he decided to allow much in the game what resulted in some clear fouls (and maybe cautions) being missed. I remember similar approach by Hernández Hernández in NEDPOL, which I criticized, but allegedly the Dutch team was very happy with it, so it's surely a different football culture to most of other countries.
One scene I can't forgive Lindhout: to allow such blatant stealing metres during the added time (90+4'). Shocking! :D
@ESF: agree with everything. Indeed, the Supercup wasn’t the most challenging game. I never had the feeling that I’ve would lose control, due to the good behaviour of players - and it is “just” the Supercup. Unfortunately, the atmosphere was hostile (again). There was a chant about one specific PSV player (#7) for at least 12 minutes long during the game.
DeleteDomestically, this lenient style works very well for Lindhout. And it works well for high pressing teams, and is therefore preferred by players, coaches (club and NT) and media. More important is whether Lindhout is able to adapt his style when he’s whistling abroad. Apparently he can, otherwise they wouldn’t promote him I think. I already noticed he issues more YC’s abroad. Btw he is/was coached by an Italian in the talent group :)
I don’t rate Lindhout as a potential Elite - he lacks a natural authority - however he should be a decent category 1. Has some nice tools (great advantage play indeed). His body language is better than Gozubuyuk’s (less hesitating) and he is not affected by dissents or the hostile atmosphere. However, the Ref com should realise what his qualities and weaknesses are and what type of games would suit him the best, and use him that way. Probably teams that are (mainly) focused on playing football, cause it allows him to use his lenient tools.
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ReplyDeleteThe penalty appeal in Borjas game, I think in this case correct decision by VAR to support, he couldn't intervene. This is more penalty than the whistled one but still not objective to describe it as mandatory intervention. VAR showed to be in a way consistent but he should have avoided first intervention. Borjas was in full visual control and that's very important in this case. So good work by Villarreal in two out of three crucial situations he had. Poor performance by referee.
About the red card incident, I think that Borjas was aware what had happened, this is something either you see or you don't see, so she deliberately decided for YC because she didn't want to give RC, like many other referees do. Not ignoring the LOTG, but making a choice to avoid the harsh decision... and I really don't like that...
I have to massively disagree.
DeleteBronze only looks at the Nigerian player’s movement, goes full speed shoulder in first with no ball in sight, and then dives herself as if she was the victim when she notices that the Naija player is falling.
This is a clear and obvious error, particularly in women’s football.
Unluckily the kind of challenge made by defender against attacker, is difficult to assess as objective, as I wrote, according to VAR protocol and guidelines, moreover referee was exactly looking there with open view, she surely saw. She should have whistled it and we can agree, but should be correct NO VAR intervention.
DeleteI don't understand why you say "in particular in women's football"?
Does anyone knows when will be changes in uefa referee categories? What is the exactly date? Thanks in advance
ReplyDeleteThey have been published month ago, or even more. You have a link on the right.
DeleteAnd the next changes will be on December.
DeleteWhat do you think about UEFA super cup?
ReplyDeleteFor some reasons, it seems the appointment, differently from past seasons, became confidential. Soares Dias is in my opinion the expected name.
DeleteWe want to see Martincic!
ReplyDeleteOnly you. Sorry
DeleteNot a very alert management of a possible head injuriy. Referee waited very long there and whistled when possession changed.
ReplyDeleteThe match between AEK Athens and Dinamo Zagreb for the 3rd qualifying round of UCL postponed after the yesterday attack of about 150 Dinamo Zagreb's hooligans outside the stadium of AEK Athens despite the travel ban from UEFA. As a result of that attack a 22 years old guy lost his life, while other 8 people are seriously injured.
ReplyDelete25' Possible (even mandatory?) YC not given. Studs on shin but with low intensity. Would the tackle have been harder, it would be RC area.
ReplyDeleteAnd 28 there could easily be given a YC for SPA. Referee decides to issue a warning, but game becomes heated up and colombian players are already frustrated.
DeleteKate is not doing herself a favour by hiding her YC.
DeleteNo. Especially not as it is the expected emotional and roughly played match. FIFA style leniency and management skills won't work here.
DeleteShould be about 20 minutes of stoppage time here😁
ReplyDeleteFinally a YC but compared to previous incidents a harsh one - if not even wrong. But surey good in terms of game control.
ReplyDelete4 minutes of added time is an absolute joke
ReplyDeleteGerman commentator does not appreciate the too lenient approach (COL-JAM) :D
ReplyDeleteSince when should people care about a commentators view on a referee?
DeleteIdk, but this time he had a point
DeleteNot the best performance in terms of foul detection. 25‘ situation is surely a YC. The two YCs given are absolutely fine.
ReplyDeleteFascinating first half. Jacewicz passed on many opportunities to show a yellow card to Jamaica:
ReplyDelete4' maybe for SPA;
5' definitely a YC but she missed the real studs to Achilles foul;
25' definitely a YC;
28' maybe for SPA, similar to 4';
33' or 37' aren't really reckless but evidence of rising temperatures;
And then finally a YC at 41' for an offense that was, at best, the third most reckless of the half. Not really a YC that's consistent with the rest of the half, but I think Jacewicz knew she needed one there. And then the 45'+1' is a blatant YC, but as evidence of Colombia's frustration you can see the COL18 leave her leg up just a bit into JAM8 as she's going down, and JAM8 took exception to that.
It's worth noting that Jacewicz took a lenient approach (similar to the first 40 minutes here) in her France-Brazil game, and it's no secret that Jamaica-Colombia is a physical matchup, so FIFA clearly knew what they were doing with this appointment. But this is probably the hardest game of the tournament so far, really interested to see how the second half progresses; Jacewicz has her work cut out for him.
Are you sure when you say "FIFA clearly knew what they were doing with the appointment"?
DeleteIn my opinion the competence and the particular observations we make on this blog are on a deeper level than what FIFA sees, or, to say it better, wants to see.
Indeed otherwise one couldn't explain some appointments (not the case of this match, but as generic speech).
For committees the referees are only names and they look if a game goes well or not, but in my opinion they don't appoint a referee knowing he / she has a certain style... but of course I can be wrong.
The Colombia vs Jamaica game needs a stronger referee, who would have not tolerated the Colombians petulance .
ReplyDeletepathetic refereeing in the Colombia vs Jamaica ,only 5 minutes of added time ,the Colombian Keeper has wasted at least 5 minutes of time ,without any subs or the goal being taken into account
ReplyDeleteJacewicz was not good enough...
ReplyDeleteI feel that the Colombia goal early in the second half made the game much, much simpler. If things had continued at 0-0 it would have been much more interesting. Once trailing, Jamaica could no longer be content defending and fouling for the whole game.
ReplyDeleteThe Colombians were fouling just as much ,but the referee was inconsistent in calling them
DeleteWell. On a positive note, she ended the game 11 vs 11 and won’t be the talk of the town I guess. Na major incidents. I guess, that is actually quite good given the difficulty of this game. She could (or should!) have started earlier with YC’s. When she issued the 2nd YC (‘46), you could see the players calming down. I liked her body language here. Injury time wasn’t enough.
ReplyDeleteIMO Jacewicz clearly one of main contender for the final, either by merit or/and political background.
ReplyDeleteShe should be on the plane home by now ,very poor performance in the Jamaica vs Colombia .Totally inconsistent with the fouls given and yellow cards .Missed the blatant time wasting by the Colombia ,should have been at least 10 minutes added at the end of the match.
DeleteI think you’re Jamaican or maybe you already have your favorite name on the final
DeleteAt the risk of speaking prematurely, I think we can say that Penso, like Foster, got 3 easy games on the field at this tournament. The SUI-NZL game was a bit more complicated on paper given the host's situation, but the game didn't live up to that.
ReplyDeleteThree easy games: enough to be a candidate for the final?
DeleteTo repeat my opinion I would find this unfair towards other referees who had more challenging games (but they failed in some aspects).
We should maybe look for a referee (waiting the rest of KO stage before the final) with three games, at least a certain degree of difficulty, and quite good performance. Let's wait now for quarterfinals...
Absolutely Nothing to do in first half for Penso and her team. Boring.
DeleteOf the referees who have had three games, I think Welch is the only one who falls into that category. Though still possibility for Staubli, Jacewicz etc. And of course FIFA might have their own opinion on Alves and Yamashita.
DeleteI don't think there was "absolutely nothing to do in the first half for Penso and her team", actually. Nothing that will impact on the result of course, but some good management moments, for example the warning at 33'. And then very good offside decision in added time by AR1, otherwise it would have been a penalty.
My final prediction is Alves (BRA) + a full female VMO crew
ReplyDelete69' I'm sure Fifa will be very glad to see a warning for that block (SPA) and no second yellow card
ReplyDeleteAgree but another one in 88’ and SYC had to be shown here. Psychology isn’t laxism…
Delete88' Having watched English football at the weekend very surprised that so blatently kicking the ball away is deemed unpunishable.
ReplyDeleteThen 89' the same player who has been booked and warned again commits a strong challenge. What's the point of a YC if you have a free pass after? Fifa need to balance trying to keep 22 on the pitch with player safety better than they are
If anyone is interested on looking back on Penso's management of Morocco #17, it's been the interesting story of this match from a refereeing perspective. 42' Penso does not call a penalty kick on her challenge, but American commentators noted she spoke to the player afterwards. And then the caution at 57', additional fouls at 68' (followed by a warning), and 89' (followed by a big glare).
DeleteThe purpose of the warning at 68', to me, is not so much to say "next foul and you're off", but to amend the player's behavior. Perhaps without it, the player would have fouled again much sooner. She surely could have sent the player off in the 89th minute, but not strictly necessary: it's only the player's third foul of the game. One got a YC, the other had hints of SPA but wasn't reckless at all, and this one was "only" slightly-more-than-careless. But that is just my opinion, definitely an interesting situation to analyze. What does everybody else think?
Maybe my mindset has shifted slightly and got more muddled with the return of domestic/continental football in Europe, but for me the 68' foul is more than a semi-spa/spa-lite that is now generally unpunished, and I would like to see a YC for it generally, although would expect a final warning when for 2YC in a Fifa match. Beacuse that is a YC to me, the next one, especially given that it was a strong tackle, had to be that 2YC (I would be stunned if it wasn't given in any domestic game). That being said, I'm sure Fifa will be very happy with the approach taken
DeleteI should also mention, because I missed it, the foul in the 46th minute. So four fouls in the game, not three. With that in mind, I think that pushes me into “should be sent the player off” territory. But who knows what FIFA thinks about this.
DeletePenso displayed and utilized that garbage Brian Hall mantra of "be an actor" on the pitch. No amount of words or stern gestures will ever have the same effect as a properly given red and or yellow card. Actors belong in Hollywood and in the MLS, not on a World Cup pitch.
DeleteFluid movement on the pitch, good athleticism and excellent body language of the U.S. referee. Always there when her presence is needed, master of common sense in not awarding a Y.C. in the final to the Moroccan player
ReplyDeleteThe appointment of the final referee depends on who is involved .At the moment i can see Penso having the final .
ReplyDeleteI always find the difficult vs easy game comments interesting. If you’ve been around refereeing for any length of time, you’ll hear stories of referees failing assessments because the match wasn’t difficult enough even though the referee performed well. So the referee on their next assessment intentionally lets the game get out of control so it becomes difficult enough to qualify for their upgrade then they get the game back under control. That’s not how the game should be officiated.
ReplyDeleteHere is something to consider:
Pre-MLS (I retired from assessing and refereeing 20+ years ago), I was sitting with a national assessor who had been a national referee at a game of what was then the highest level pro league in America. The previous week, the assessor who hadn’t been a national referee had said the pro game wasn’t difficult enough, but would have failed the referee. So the following week while talking to the national assessor about it, he said that the pro league was the highest level of the game we had in the country. How could it not have been difficult enough?
These officials are refereeing at the World Cup. The stage doesn’t get bigger. To often we correlate difficulty of the match with how many fouls are called and cards given, but if the referee is doing their job, there is a good chance their will be less fouls and less cards given. It doesn’t always work that way. But we shouldn’t discount a referee as untested because we perceived their match as too easy to officiate. Maybe the little things they did helped keep the game under control without blowing a whistle and showing cards.
Remaining 2 QF matches, candidate is Monzul? Keighley? Olofsson? Mukansanga?
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