Wednesday 16 June 2021

UEFA EURO 2020 Match 14: Italy - Switzerland (discussion)

Sergei Karasev in charge of Italy - Switzerland. Comments about his performance can be posted here. 



Group A
Rome, 16 June 2021 21:00 CET
ITALY - SWITZERLAND
Referee: Sergei Karasev (RUS)
Assistant Referee 1: Igor Demeshko (RUS)
Assistant Referee 2: Maksim Gavrilin (RUS)
Fourth Official: Michael Oliver (ENG)
Fifth Official: Stuart Burt (ENG)
Video Assistant Referee: Bastian Dankert (GER)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee 1: Marco Fritz (GER)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee 2: Christian Gittelmann (GER)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee 3: Pawel Gil (POL)
UEFA Referee Observer: Darko Čeferin (SVN)
UEFA Delegate: Angelo Chetcuti (MLT)

60 comments:

  1. Isn’t it crazy how Kasarev has handled games at Euro 2016, World Cup 2018 and Euro 2020 but isn’t a regular in the champions league? Amazing really. Thoughts?

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    1. Interesting, indeed, but UEFA cannot use only Western referees at tournaments like Euro. The geo-political criteria is important in the selection process.

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    2. Crazy, and definitely unfair how he got pushed because of being Russian and needing to be used in the World Cup. However, over the last half year or so I have liked his performances (unpopular opinion on this blog!). Still don’t think he really earned a place in this tournament with the lack of CL experience, but I think he’s a good ref still.

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  2. 12' simulation in my opinion, player should have been booked.
    First very clear simulation of the tournament if you ask me.

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    1. It's frustrating not to see bookings used for such blatant diving. I really don't like this tendency that we also saw quite clearly at 2018 WC.

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    2. @Jackson: check the analysis post about this game that will be published in a couple of days. Hopefully a video of the incident will be available.

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  3. Clear simulation by Insigne, clearly not a penalty but could have been a caution for simulation.

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  4. First VAR intervention of the tournament to disallow a goal scored, handball. Very difficult to see for Karasev, I think he can't be blamed.

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  5. Correct VAR intervention. It took longer than expected though.

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    1. While the handball was clear I suppose Var took his time to check contacts between the three players involved.
      Chiellini right arm was pushed upwards by the Swiss player, VAR probably wanted to verified that.
      IMHO correct call.

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  6. Goal disallowed after VAR intervention - handball by the scorer. Good and quite fast procedure.

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  7. Correct call, Chiellini clearly touched the ball and immediately after scored. Textbook foul

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  8. Can I just say, it will be very interesting to see Italian players’ interaction with Oliver after the infamous incident 3 years ago...

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    1. I want to underline that it was a shameful act by some Juventus player.
      Oliver call was absolutely correct.

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    2. I am one of the few who will respectfully disagree - I don't believe it was a clear 100% penalty kick.

      However Juventus should not have reacted that way.

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    3. Oliver officiated in the meantime some other matches with Italian teams involved, like atalanta-valencia in Champions League top 16 last year

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    4. @Larry: +1

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    5. Is it not crazy to think that Chiellini is 6 months older than Oliver... what he has achieved for his age goes to show what a natural talent he is, UEFA should utilise him more...

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    6. Agree. Rossetti’s treatment of Oliver is a disgrace, he’s a far better referee than Taylor , but unfortunately not flavour of the month with Rossetti who sticks to his favoured few!!
      I’d have Oliver well above some of the so called top guys at this tournament, but hopefully he’ll be around for a few years to come.

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    7. Oh my, there we go again

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    8. I don’t think it’s a disgrace!!! They are both top refs, everyone has their choice who is better but at the same time there is really no rush for Oliver!!! Colina gave Oliver that high rank match between Juve and Madrid because England needed a top Elite ref after Clattenburg and Atkinson retirement and Collina was be who saw Oliver as a better option to Taylor but Rossetti is of the opinion that Taylor is better and also logically age is on Oliver’s side and if he goes for the World Cup next year and continues at this trajectory he will attend 3 world cups and 3 European championships using 45 age limit!! If this happens that will be remarkable so I feel there is really no rush, UEFA will utilize him In due course.,. Anthony Taylor is 42 and Oliver is 36, although age doesn’t matter in the quality of Referee to be chosen but when both are similarly split in opinion then honestly this is the best Solution

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    9. In my honest opinion, Oliver & Taylor are very flawed and over-hyped referees.
      They were particularly very notorious last season of giving VERY soft pens.

      Last season in the Premier League, Oliver awarded 19pens in only 28games.
      Taylor awarded 14pens in 27EPL games.

      And Taylor has ALREADY awarded a 'soft' pen in this tourney.
      I do not think that their refereeing style will suit this tournament's standards.

      Of the English referees, I would have preferred Martin Atkinson & Andre Marriner. They are world class refs and are far better than Taylor & Oliver.

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    10. @Lawaj

      If you think Atkinson and Marriner (!) are better officials than Taylor and Oliver you clearly don’t watch the PL. Both Atkinson and Marriner are incredibly lenient and laissez-faire referees who under-punish everything. You could murder a player on the pitch and Atkinson would maybe give a yellow card. I don’t know if you’ve ever watched Marriner but he doesn’t actually run during his games. He would not be able to physically keep up with teams in the Euro. Taylor is better in UEFA than he is in England, and Oliver is the country’s most promising referee by a long way.

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    11. Your last statements shows you are really not an avid follower of English Referees and referring in general!!! You really want Marriner at this tournament???? He is well over the age limit, over weight and really not an elite referees, sure Oliver and Taylor are flawed and not really over hyped but at the moment they are by far better than the refs you mentioned at the moment.

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    12. 12 comments about the eternal Taylor vs Oliver battle (and even Atkinson and Marriner are brought in now) in a post about Italy-Switzerland. How do we always manage to end up here…?

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    13. It's my new stardard for penalty area decisions. If people are likely to talk about it years later like the Real-Juve penalty call, don't whistle haha

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    14. Because this blog is more of a "referee fan club" chat room than an actual give and take debate blog used by actual/current/active referee's based on The LoTG.

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    15. Atkinson & Marriner are NOT lenient. Their refereeing style is VERY MUCH in tune with the style adopted by UEFA for this competition.

      Their styles are very common 'sensical', & allow free flowing football bcos they understand that football is contact sport.
      That is IDENTICAL with the excellent method being employed by referees in this competition so far.

      On the other hand, Taylor & Oliver tend to over-referee games, & tend to attract too much attention to themselves.

      E.g Taylor's performance last season in Int vs Madrid (1pen + 1RC for Vidal, thereby ruining d game), Taylor's performance in PSG vs Bar (2pens) etc

      Also, recall Oliver's performance in 2018, Juv vs Madrid (1 highly contentious pen + 1RC for Buffon) etc.

      My point is that both Taylor & Oliver are not suitable for the refereeing standards/style adopted by UEFA.

      UEFA prefer referees to remain in the background, but these two guys love to be d center of attention by OVER-REFREEING games.

      Just watch and see their performance when they are appointed for a future game in this Euros.

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    16. Del Cerro Grande in France-Germany and Oliver in Real-Juventus: both PKs or none PK?:)

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    17. @Lawaj

      Obviously you haven't met Taylor or Oliver to say that they love to be the center of attention.

      Quite the opposite, I would say.....

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    18. @greek ref,

      Surely, you understand that I'm talking about their REFEREEING STYLE.
      I'm NOT talking about their temperament or personality. I have never met them, so I would not talk about their personal behavior.

      Surely you understand that I'm talking about their professional styles as a referee.

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    19. I hate to call out someone who watches the games but Marriner and Atkinson are not proponents of UEFA refereeing. Marriner is a very lenient referee who will overlook a lot of play that would be described as reckless anywhere else in Europe, I enjoy his style but outside of England it doesn't work, hence why despite his ability he never escaped the First Category. Atkinson is of course an ex-Elite, but again to describe his style as modern UEFA is simple rubbish, he allows more physical contact than is accepted anywhere else in Europe and fails to intervene on a lot of offences that again in Europe would be punished.

      Oliver has a trend of soft penalties I wouldn't disagree, but his style is never that of over-refereeing, he maintains his distance and background referees the majority of his games, even the red card and penalty you mention is a situation where another referee would have made their presence a lot more felt and issued more cards, his hand was forced once he made a decision.

      Taylor's games you mention are literally exactly what UEFA want, as demonstrated by their RAPs. Vidal's 2YC was textbook, given dissent and mobbing, one player MUST be cautioned and then the same player cautioned both intruded on his space and made physical contact?

      I'm not a defender of English referees for the sake of it, but the two you mention would struggle in Europe these days, and the flaws you mention are pushing the boundaries.

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    20. Those two examples you brought up were both Taylor and Oliver giving red cards for dissent/abusive language, that's a ridiculous example to try and illustrate that their refereeing styles are not good. In Taylor's case, because of a very good NO-CALL on a potential PK. Yet you say they over-referee games? You seem to be speaking out of both sides of your mouth here.

      Also, you seem to think giving deserved red cards automatically 'ruins games'. It absolutely does not, if the red card was deserved. And if you watched Buffon's conduct towards Oliver, and Vidal's towards Taylor, you'd know they deserved to be sent off.

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    21. @TJ. Oss

      You made some solid points.
      However, I DISAGREE with you over your assertion that Marriner & Atkinson allow reckless play.

      They understand that a certain level of contact MUST be allowed in football, so as not to turn it into basketball. This in my opinion is not reckless.
      All the games that they refereed last season in the EPL were very much under control.

      If Taylor & Oliver who clearly both detest 'physical contact' of any kind were to be refereeing back in the early 2000s, we would probably not have had legends like Roy Keane, Viera, Gattuso in our game etc.

      I think Dias' style in today's Turkey vs Wales AND Grande's handling of yesterday's Fra vs Germany are very SIMILAR to Atkinson's & Marriner's styles.

      Yet, nearly everyone here unanimously praised Dias' performance AND UEFA was pleased enough with Grande to reward him with a 2nd game.

      You are probably correct about Oliver being left with little choice over Buffon's reaction in that Madrid vs Juv game BUT Taylor's sending off of Vidal was VERY avoidable as the referee could have selected other less severe decisions to a 2nd YC.

      Overall, I think we can agree to disagree over our perception of these 4 referees.

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    22. @Joe Hartless,

      I believe you are right about the technical 'correctness' of Oliver in having to send off Buffon over his dissent, but that did NOT justify the soft pen he awarded to Madrid that caused the ruckus itself.

      And I certainly DISAGREE with your justification of Taylor's sending off of Vidal.
      Surely, Orsato or Makkiele would have handled that situation better, with better emotional intelligence.

      Also, what do you say about Taylor's sending off of Martial in Man Utd vs Tot (which ended 1-6), while sparing Lamela entirely?

      I definitely do NOT categorize all sending offs as wrong, but Taylor in particular for me has poor game/player management AND a weak emotional intelligence.

      Both he and Oliver are trigger happy regarding awarding 'soft'pens too.

      For me, my DEFINITION of over-refereeing a game is when a referee tend to disrupt the flow of a game by awarding soft freekicks, soft YCs, soft RCs, soft pens, and appears to be overtly against physical contact, even when they appear minimal or 'legal'.

      And both referees tend to be guilty of a good portion of the above.

      I do NOT think that I am contradicting myself here.

      PS: Aside for his tendency to awarding soft pens, I do slightly prefer Oliver amongst the two, and I believe that he may yet grow to be a world class referee in future.

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  9. 45': mutual holding - no penalty to Switzerland is correct decision.

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  10. IMO an expected-level performance by Karasev so far in a fairly easy match. Good VAR intervention for a handball prior goal, which was difficult to detect live.

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  11. Maybe I am late with that, but I just noticed for the first time (on Oliver), that the referee's kit has a map of Europe in the stomach area.

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  12. Karasev will have to start watching for delaying tactics from Italy now.

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    1. Switzerland had to be more careful ;)
      Jokes apart, excellent performance tonight

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  13. Karasev with no problems and a solid performance. I would have loved seeing him booking Insigne's diver, so his perf. was just OK and therefor better than his last matches.
    Still not one really bad performance in this tournament. Rosetti has reason to be very happy...

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    1. Agreed. The only performance that was really below expectation till now was (unfortunately) Del Cerros, and that still was no disaster altough I think it would have warrented his ticket home given the high level of performances till now.

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  14. Good advantage and call back for the yc

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  15. Tomorrow predicting 3rd matchday? :-)

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  16. A very good game for Karasev (and congratulations for Italian team for this victory, well deserved). Not difficult. I hope he will get a 2nd game in GS.

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    1. Karasev team. Sorry. Dont forget AR !

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    2. Yes, agreed. Convincing performance by the Russian.

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    3. Good work from Karasev and his team. It was not a difficult game, but he did well.

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  17. very good performance by the whole team. I somehow really enjoy his calmness on the pitch. He seems to be in total control all the time.

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  18. Good performance by Karasev team. He has really cold blood and it helps him to control the game.

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  19. Karasev showed tonight that he does posses qualities that elite referee should have and it is a shame that he wasn't able to materialise that more through his career, especially in Uefa club competitions

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    1. He’s 42, three more years to make up for it!

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  20. I think we saw the best day for the referees since the beginning of the Euro. 3 outstanding performances today.

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    1. I don’t think so. Even if they were difficult to see live but there were 2 VAR interventions.

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  21. Very solid and almost perfect Karasev today! Well done!

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  22. HIGHLIGHTS

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