Third appearance for Daniele Orsato at EURO 2020, the Round of 16 game between Sweden and Ukraine. Discussion about his performance.
Glasgow, 29 June 2021 21:00 CET
SWEDEN - UKRAINE
Referee: Daniele Orsato (ITA)
Assistant Referee 1: Alessandro Giallatini (ITA)
Assistant Referee 2: Fabiano Preti (ITA)
Fourth Official: Davide Massa (ITA)
Fifth Official: Stefano Alassio (ITA)
Video Assistant Referee: Massimiliano Irrati (ITA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee 1: Marco Di Bello (ITA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee 2: Filippo Meli (ITA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee 3: Paolo Valeri (ITA)
UEFA Referee Observer: Hugh Dallas (SCO)
UEFA Delegate: Peadar Ryan (IRL)
How many referees will leave the championship after round of 16? Thanks in advance
ReplyDeletePhysically, Orsato seems tired...
ReplyDeleteI was about to say this, Giovanni.
DeleteSame comment as last time, but he was always running like that... look at his old games... weird that no one noticed his running style before Spain - Poland... this has been his traditional movement on the field.
DeleteExactly, Anonymous. He always had to 'work hard' in order to keep up with play, not an athlete-type profile by any means.
DeleteA min ago, good onside by AR2. It seemed off-side in live.
ReplyDeleteDoes anyone know if he going to retire after the tournament?? He is 45...and looks tired physically :(
ReplyDelete*if he is going
DeleteHe should go at WC 2022. A bad news... He is tired...
DeleteFirst, I thought of a farewell match because it's the only match so far with a refereeing team from 1 nation. But I think I'm wrong.
DeleteTired or not tired, Orsato manages players through body language and communication very well, even when he deals with difficult personalities. This is rare and a lot harder to achieve than an athletic running style.
DeleteManagement or not. A referee has to be physically up to the task. It's a diservice to the players to have a physically limited referee on the pitch.
DeleteThe physical condition is definitely the big problem for Orsato.
ReplyDeleteActually he couldn't get a big game in which both teams play a modern and quick football.
But this game is a high tempo game. Just like that Spain vs Poland game where he struggled to keep up. I fear for him
DeleteI hope it's his last match. Many refs are in condition. Not Orsato...
DeleteSame remark, Gozie...
DeleteOrsato can definitely continue. I'd assign him to any England match. They play at an overly cautious walking pace.
DeleteOrsato already getting in the way of play.
ReplyDeleteDid Orsato "invent" a new rule?
ReplyDeleteThe ball never actually hit him. Yet he still stopped play.
Did you see how easily it was a accepted by players? That is a quality of a top referee to get accepted no matter what he does.
DeleteBeing able to talk your way out of a situation does not necessarily make it right.
DeleteYea but he got in the way and prevented the Swedish play getting the ball. Not a new rule but is a index of the rule of interfering with play
DeleteThat's a new and interesting perspective. Thanks.
DeleteCan you guide to where in the LoTG I might find that "index".
Much appreciated.
There are lots of better italian referees out there. Why iş this persistence with orsato, can't get it. He was good referee önce but his time is över. I would like to see y9ung italian referees from this sensin.
ReplyDeleteDavide Massa for example ! I agree
DeleteAnd prepare young refs for 2022!
Maybe not having elite refs for a season will help developing the New italian refs.
DeleteOrsato replaced Massa at preselections to WC.
DeleteMassa is 40 and is very very back respect to their collegs at the same age. Italy referees after Orsato are poor. From Rizzoli, Rocchi, Orsato, Tagliavento to Massa. Oh good.
There is also Guida, who seems to be taking turns with Massa on the position of Italy's number 2 in the last seasons.
DeleteYes, Guida, Mariani. Very low level compared to the sacred monsters listed above Rizzoli, Rocchi, Orsato, Tagliavento. 2019 and 2020 two finals to Italian referees. Next in 15 years .....
Delete2017 ITALIAN FIFA REFEREE LIST
DeleteRizzoli, Rocchi, Orsato, Tagliavento (ELITE)
Banti, Mazzoleni (FIRST)
Guida, Massa, Valeri, Damato (SECOND)
2021
Orsato ELITE
Massa, Guida, Mariani FIRST
Valeri, Irrati, Maresca, Fabbri, Doveri, Di Bello SECOND
abisal difference. incredible technical impoverishment.
He is not running at all. He seems like he feels pain when he is running. Definitely he is not ready psychally.
ReplyDeleteBetween Kuipers (48yo, a ref which I appreciate ++, but he's in difficulty in his last matches) and Orsato, I asking myself :
ReplyDelete- Who is the ref the most tired ? And the less concentrated ?
Going strictly by The LoTG. Was Orsato correct to stop play there?
ReplyDeleteFootball understanding and acceptance.
DeleteThe so called "Law 18 - common sense"
DeleteIf you want to justify it as referee, you could say that you needed a moment to recover from the collision.
So the answer is no. Thanks!
DeleteOrsato is by far the best Italian referee, and his performances in this competition has been top notch. I think Orsato, Kuipers, Grande and Brych have all been harshly criticized on this blog.
ReplyDeleteBut I think that these 4 referees have all been excellent so far. I'm sure UEFA is happy with them.
"Top notch"??? Are you kidding us all? Orstato has been ok, I'd say. Kuipers has been decent. Grande below par. And Brych way below par in BEL-POR. How can UEFA send Turpin and Mateu home and keep Brych after BEL-POR? There must be respect for performance and football.
DeleteAgree with the last comment
DeleteOrsato has never been a great athlete, but it is clear that physically he is worse than usual: the season has been long and Rizzoli and Rosetti, also because of the few alternatives (especially in Italy), have used him continuously (even in useless matches in Serie B for media reasons). The comments about other possible Italian referees, however, are questionable: unfortunately, at the moment, AIA without Orsato is worth nothing.
ReplyDeleteBut Rizzoli and Rosetti should understand that Orsato is in the end of the cycle, his career of referee. They must prepare young referees.
DeleteNot important if 0 Italians referee going at WC.
I get that not all referee's are "built" the same. There have been plenty of great referee's that had a "un-athletic" appearance. But in those referee's, you actually saw they pushed themselves to put forth the effort to keep pace with play. In Orsato, I no longer see him push himself to put forth the "effort". He's become complacent and is all too happy to simply stand, walk, and jog.
Delete++++ Rocchi replacing Rizzoli as referee appointer in Serie A-B.
DeleteWhy black referee kit isn't prefered in uefa competitions?
ReplyDeleteIt's not about is it preferred or not it is about rules of the game.
DeleteIn many matches, the team kits are chosen with one bright and one dark colour, so that the dark colour excludes the black kit.
DeleteThen we have several black GK kits (WAL, BEL, ESP, HUN, UKR, RUS, POR, AUT and CZE have worn it at least once), so the referee choses a different colour, if possible.
And finally, there are matches like today with a blue kit, where black would be possible, but the shiny colour provides the better contrast.
He finished first half at 44:57. Its not that important but it shows how much concentration he has.
ReplyDelete44:57 on my watch also.
DeletePotential penalty at 41' is the only scene of any great note in a relaxing 1H.
ReplyDeleteSo big and important incident I'm shocked nobody even mentioned it! For me quite clear foul. It would be whistled everywhere outside the penalty area. Penalty to be given...
Deleteanonymous : after Matheu decision this is never penalty
DeleteGood First half by Orsato. Everything under control. I have the same impression about his positioning, lack of fitness, lack of pace. He is making good decisions becouse he is very experienced ref but IT Looks very bad. If he gets faster match he will be in trouble. IMO unacceptable level of fitness in this tournament.
ReplyDeleteAgreed.
Delete+++++++++ Rocchi is new referee appointer in Italy ++++++++++++++++
ReplyDeleteConfirmed by AIA?
DeleteNo, but today "LA GAZZETTA DELLO SPORT" first italian sport journal, confirmed.
DeleteRizzoli deserves a major role in FIFA or UEFA referee's committee
ReplyDeleteHe undeservedly got already so much as referee I don't want him as someone important in UEFA refereeing. He's a typical politician, not caring about LotG, not caring about meritocracy as head of Serie A referees.
DeleteGood performance so far in a fairly easy match. His fitness level is surely an issue, but I thought that it was a bit exaggerated in the comment section. He definetly is able to follow the play - not that elegant and easy-looking, but he can.
ReplyDeleteThe match hasn't exactly been open goal to goal stuff. Ideal for the walker/jogger type.
DeleteOrsato perform in Fifa uefa physical test... so he's fit... just the running style isn't common. He's most often not so far away the play with a good vision. He's experienced with great respect by all the players. Hugh Dallas will be happy with the performance... maybe a ticket for a semi or the final... Rosetti will not choose alone between Orsato (Italy team involved or not), Kuipers or my favourite Cakir
ReplyDeleteAny referee can push himself on a set day just to "check" the boxes. Passing doesn't mean that he/she will replicate that effort in all of their matches.
DeleteAgree with Anonyme 22:43 !
DeleteBELGIUM - SPAIN: CAKIR
ReplyDeleteCZE-ENG ORSATO
FINAL KUIPERS
CZE-ENG : No ! Brych, Hategan, Vincic for example are better !
DeleteBrych? Seriuosly? Have you watched BEL-POR?
DeleteOrsato sounds a good choice for a possible CZE-ENG.
I watch with attention BELPOR.
DeleteBut I repeat, It's not a good choice. If you don't hear Brych, understand that Vincic, Hategan, Cakir (I forgot Cakir !), Makkelie are better than Orsato who need repose...
56 comments, most about physical issues in a game with no problems for Orsato. Still better than referees more physically fit
ReplyDeleteEverybody knows that this match will be calm
DeleteBELPOR for exemple with Brych (well physically), everybody know that it's a tough game, especially with portuguese players...
And others refs as Taylor and Makkelie on big games with a good physical performance did great job, best job than Orsato.
Look at the counter attack at 56’. Orsato followed it with no problems. His running style is not the best, I agree, but still he was there.
DeleteOf course, SWEUKR is an easy match but still a tight one and can change at any time
Giovanni, Orsato doesn't have the most elegant ruuning style but that doesn 't keep him from taking good decisions.
DeleteBrych took awful decisions, was totally lost without control of the match. That is really serious and worrying for a ref. can't you see the difference?
I understand what you mean.
DeleteBut, it's so easy to criticize his performance as "terrible"... Which ref with his toughest match can be do better ? He did big mistakes, I know but in general, he's for me a better ref and he can ref a last match.
I surprised that others ref with bad performances as CdC Still in competition
And compare this game with BELPOR is impossible. Be objective.
It’s useless to compare games. Decisions are decisions in tough and easy games.
DeleteIt’s easy for a ref to turn an easy game to a difficult game because of bad decisions. So far, it’s not the case and nobody will talk about the referee
This game hasn't exactly been a "barn burner". More passes seem to be going sideways or backwards instead of forward. Ideal for the type of referee who wants run the least.
Deletehttps://sport.sky.it/calcio/serie-a/2021/06/29/serie-a-designatore-arbitri-rocchi-rizzoli
ReplyDeleteThis blog turns into a kindergarten when Orsato is refereeing. This game has had nothing in it, he’s doing just fine. Is he as fit as referees like Taylor, Vincic, etc? No. But is it proving to be detrimental to how he’s officiating? Not at all.
ReplyDelete+1
DeleteAs always, when Orsato (and Italians) is involved here people check even if his hair are fine. When other preferred refs are involved, everything becomes “supportable”
Come on, this is moaning. Yes, Orsato is not always treated in a fair way, but that happens more and more often on this blog lately. The Turkish fans vs the Cakir haters, Kuipers fans vs Kuipers haters, the Taylor fans vs Oliver fans and yes, Orsato’s treatment also fits in.
DeleteAll in all I think too often that I’m in Kindergarten when visiting the blog lately.
Chefren, you are italian. Do you have others news about Rocchi?
ReplyDeleteNo, no further news. We should wait for next days.
DeleteIf confirmed, the day should be Thursday.
Everybody should be aware that referees which national teams pass to semifinal are out of competition.
ReplyDeleteSo, Orsato can be eliminated...
DeleteItalian national team is excellent !
I agree Italy out at quarterfinals. Belgium is high elevel respect to the Italy.
DeleteOrsato will obtain semifinal or final. Is excelent, it is excellent and deserves it. his career was very limited by rizzoli and rocchi.
Excellent... Sorry, I disagree.
DeleteDecent yes
Excellent : Makkelie, Taylor, Vincic next years, Brych without BELPOR
@Giovanni, how can you say that?
DeleteRosetti admitted two errors in Makkelie’s game TURITA and you can’t say “excellent without BELPOR”. It’s like saying: “I love that restaurant, but I don’t like the food”
Anonymous 22:31
DeleteOf course you can say excellent without BELPOR. It’s only 1 game in an entire career (starter of the post talked about Orsato’s career as well).
And Rosetti spoke about a punishable handball (TURITA) but did not say the referee was to blame. He could hardly see it, being behind the scene. And the offside decision, come on! Yes, mistake of AR1, but totally unimportant in the context of the match.
And guess what, after those two mistakes Rosetti awarded Makkelie ENGGER :)
Thanks Anonyme 22:44 for your comment !
DeleteHonestly, I don't see any issue with Orsato. He's a very experienced ref, trsuted by players and teams. Always an option for QFs or SFs. If performance counts, and it definitely should for the sake of seriousness and transparency, Cakir will be at Wembley on 11th July.
ReplyDeleteSorry but Cakir is not quite appreciate by the commitee to lead a final. Max SF.
Deletewhy?
DeleteIt's not the great Cakir 2012-2019. He lost his natural authority, less involved in the game. Cakir touch unfortunately disappared...
DeleteHe dont know why..just guess,,cakir is the best performing referee till now.
DeleteMaybe, Orsato in SPA-SUI
ReplyDeleteAnd now, excellent YC for dissent to UKR 7
ReplyDeleteFunny that he asked the player before, whether his words/actions are directed against the referee. At least it looked like that.
DeleteIt looks like he said “are you really saying something to me?”
DeleteIndeed, funny
Yup. Deserved YC, well done.
DeleteOk, so by some opinions - Orsato out beocuse of Italy, Cakir with max semifinal becouse Ceferin does not like him. Taylor out- becouse of national team and Clatts last year. Kuipers was not so impressive, so who stays - Rapallini and Vincic.
ReplyDelete*last Euro
DeleteHowever, some of this judgements are not totally wrong IMO. For Kuipers, if he performs in QF as good as Cakir's performance yesterday, I would say Kuipers is more likely to get the final than Cakir. My names for SF would be Cakir and Makkelie, and Cakir or Kuipers for the final
DeleteSam +1
DeleteFinally a YC for dissent. I find referees often too meek on players demanding cards. Good for Orsato.
ReplyDeleteAnd this is exactly how you make the games “easy”, unclear for most of refs
DeleteNot easy to do when your very own Ref Comm quite possibly in a not so subtle manner discourages you as a referee from showing cards for such words, acts or actions.
DeleteNonsense, during the entire tournament the bar for cautioning dissents has been rather higher and there were only a very few games which became challenging. And the games which were most challenging (e.g. BELPOR) weren’t so because of dissents.
DeleteAnonymous 22:49 as a reaction on Anonymous 22:37 BTW
DeleteOrsato excellent. 8.70 over 8.70
ReplyDeleteIncorrect YC IMO
ReplyDeleteNot convinced by that YC for Forsberg, looked more careless than reckless.
ReplyDeleteThis is good, true to positioning, and not top fitness but has good man management , player control, like a local mens houseleague game. Job done for D.Orsato. I like yellow card to yarmolenko, Orsato says "me? U say thr to me?" Okay. Yellow card
ReplyDeleteMost of the comments here are so babyish and kindergarten.
ReplyDeleteOrsato by the way is doing an excellent job. The YC for Forsberg is however very harsh.
Stunning onside by AR2
ReplyDeleteGreat onside by AR2
ReplyDeleteNot so nice seeing Orsato that shouts to his AR1 now :)
ReplyDeleteThis MUST be a RC!
ReplyDeleteMandatory OFR and RC. Maybe not very easy to see that on the pitch but this is one of the ugliest fouls I have ever seen.
DeleteA fitter referee who positions himself better, see's that for himself. Knee high and straight legged. Not hard to hide.
DeleteGood VAR intervention. It’s definitely SFP and res card.
ReplyDeleteMy God! That's a terrible challenge! Thank God the Ukrainian player is okay.
ReplyDelete"Thank God the Ukrainian player is okay." - I think his knee is done for months...
DeleteWhat's scary is that this despicable challenge would have gone under-punished if it was up to Orsato.
DeleteAgreed Anonyme 23:10... It's sad to see that...
DeleteWonderful decision at the end
ReplyDeleteFirst VAR intervention of EURO 2020 for a Serious Foul Play.
ReplyDeleteAbsolutely correct by Irrati.
I need to admit that Irrati is the best VAR in Europe and probably in the world.
DeleteTo be honest it wasn't so difficult to call this red :)
DeleteAll VARs would have done it!
Orsato should have done it himself. That was a horrible anti-football type of challenge. I wouldn't be surprised of the poor Ukrainian suffered serious damage. And Orsato was going to allow the Swedish player to continue playing.
DeleteGood intervention VAR by Orsato's team (and no, I'm not a hater :). Reckless foul !! RC obviously !
ReplyDeleteAccidental, but deserved RC. Good intervention, not easy live since he got the ball first
ReplyDeleteThank you VAR. Or else Orsato would have gotten away with under-punishing such a horrendous tackle.
ReplyDeleteMarcello, thoughts?
ReplyDeleteSecond VAR intervention of the tournament for Orsato. A correct one, SFP.
ReplyDeleteI don’t know what to think about this challenge. Yes, hitting he ball does not excuse an excessive challenge. But could à case be made that he kicks the ball fairly and then that afterwards the Ukrainian runs in? The Ukrainian does not challenge for the ball.
ReplyDeleteI’m conflicted. I can accept the red, but I feel iffy about it.
My thoughts exactly
DeleteHe takes the risk by making that move. He kicks the ball but then he could breal his opponent’s leg. I hope Besedin will recover very soon.
DeleteSure, I agree with that view generally, and I’ll have to see a replay again. But when he kicks the ball, is the Ukrainian in playing distance? In other words, is he taking that big an excessive risk? If no one is around in playing distance, the risk is quite low, even if not zero.
DeleteNot question you or your judgement and with all due respect.
DeleteBut if this isn't a "crystal clear" Red Card for you. I fear for any of the players you are entrusted with to protect when you referee a match (if you're an actual and current referee).
“With all due respect” you’re accusing me of putting players in danger?
DeleteWith what seems your unreasonably high bar for a crystal clear Red Card. Yes. With all due respect.
DeleteBut hey, you do you pal. Cheers!
Anonymous 23:18, 23:25
DeleteI would consider this a personal attack that is unnecessarily negative and does not promote constructive discussion on this blog.
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ReplyDeleteAgreed !
DeleteBut he talks good. So it's okay.
DeleteAs everybody said before Orsato is always too far away from the action. If he were closer he can see the RC with his own eyes and there would be no need for VAR intervention. Physicality is must for referees.
DeleteNote: where is the edit button?
Sure, but I don't think Orsato did not pass UEFA tests before EUROs. More reasonably he is injured! Did anyone see him running in Spain-Poland? He looks more injured than unfit
DeleteHe seems injured indeed...
DeleteHe occasionally touch his muscle and limps, it must be really difficult for him with 120 min game.
DeleteSmall remark : It's too complicated for refs (not only Orsato) to make correctly the VAR symbol / gesture ?
ReplyDeleteI see that unlike Rapallini yesterday (PK incident), Orsato is being the benefit of the doubt today. Great to see the consistent, unbiased, fair and balanced opinions.
ReplyDeleteWithout VAR. The Ukrainian player goes off the field unable to continue playing. Yet the goon Swedish player would continue to play thanks to Orsato's inability to properly judge such a horrendous tackle.
ReplyDeleteOrsata looks boring:)) maybe he didnt like this low profile match.
ReplyDeleteI am not watching the game. I will rely on Mikael W's analysis of the match. The comments above look shameful as always when Orsato is involved (but also Karasev, Hategan etc.)
ReplyDelete@John oxford
ReplyDeleteStop, just stop.
There's no way Orsato could have seen that tackle in real time.
What he will have seen in real time is the Swedish player kicking the ball away.
The follow through that hit the Ukrainian can only be clearly seen with an OFR.
Good job Irrati and Orsato.
He is at Least 40 metres far away from the action, that's why its impossible for hım to see it in real time.
DeleteIf all Orsato see's "is the Swedish player kicking the ball away" and not the follow through.
DeleteWhy did Orsato whistle a foul?
Why did Orsato caution the Swedish player?
It seems Orsato is suffering from cramps or a hamstring injury
ReplyDeleteIndeed. I really hope he will manage those few minutes.
DeleteOrsato with cramps?
ReplyDeleteNot fit for 120 min?
For Orsato's safety, UEFA should put him to repose...
DeleteGiovanni we understood! We all see that Orsato is not in his best athletical form, it's not the case to notice it every minute.
DeleteMissed offside by AR1 at 110’
ReplyDeleteOrsato looks unhappy and depressed.
ReplyDeletebut still doing a very good job so far
DeleteI think he's shocked he missed that red card.
DeleteDoes anyone know what are Orsato's plans for the future? Will he continue in Italy, what about international games?
ReplyDeleteHe should continue until WC 2022
DeleteInteresting situation in 113':
ReplyDeleteOne could argue for a penalty (sliding tackle by defender misses the ball and brings the opponent down), but also for SFP by the attacker (endangers the safety of his opponent by hitting his head).
But I think, Orsato's decision to not give any of it is justified.
How is it justified not to give anything after that action?
DeleteOne could argue it was just a collision. Football does not expect a decision here
DeleteIndeed hard to find good reasons. Maybe one could say, that both players are equally guilty for the clash. It feels just the fairest solution to me.
DeleteBut I am certainly interested in other opinions, what would be the best decision here.
The most boring game of the tournament so far!
ReplyDeleteThere won't be a match report today but a war report!
ReplyDeleteEngland like this:))
ReplyDeleteMy bets are:
ReplyDeleteSwitzerland - Spain: Michael Oliver (ENG)
Italy - Belgium: Bjorn Kuipers (NED)
Denmark - Czech Republik: Slavko Vincic (SVN)
England - Ukraine: Ovidiu Hategan (ROU)
İtaly belgium potential hot match İf Kuipers dont manage well what do u think about Final?? Still Kuipers ?
DeleteGood predictions Ref Paul. I hope that Kuipers will do a great job if he have this match !
DeleteI think someone else mentioned that Del Cerro is still in this EURO? If yes, my guess is that he will get QF because it will be very strange if he gets SF without R16 and QF
DeleteDel Cerro can be Hategan's 4th official for example.
DeleteThat is possible too @Giovanni
DeleteUkraine won only one game 2-1 in regular time versus North Macedonia and they are in quarterfinals. There is something I'm missing at this tournament. Do you see this as fair?
ReplyDeleteYou should know the story of Portugal in 2016
DeleteYes of course, it’s the rules, what do you want?
Delete2004 greece was champion also
DeleteUnfair rules. Mostly, it's all about good luck. This is what I want to say.
DeleteYes i think so. also Portugal no win in their groups in 2016. At the end Portugal was Champ. This format very very unfair.
DeleteAR1 was overruled by Orsato in 120+3', he was raising a flag for foul but Orsato decided to give a goal kick.
ReplyDeleteMaybe the goal kick was seen as bigger advantage?
DeleteHow can you feel as AR there? You signal a clear foul that occurs under your eye and you are overruled by ref who is far away. Not the best feeling I can imagine. But honestly it was some kind of advantage both to SWE and to people watching. A quick goal kick was in general better than the need to set the ball close to corner arc for a fk being taken.
DeleteUkraine - England bad memories after EURO 2012...
ReplyDeleteYou can continue the discussion in the new topic about referees prediction, thanks.
ReplyDelete