Saturday, 26 May 2018

Milorad Mažić in charge of Champions League Final: Real Madrid - Liverpool (Discussion)

Milorad Mažić is ready for the big event: the  Champions League Final. We wish him (and all team-members) good luck. 

26.05.2018, 20:45 CET
NSK Olimpiyskiy, Kyiv (UKR)
Real Madrid  CF - Liverpool FC
Referee: Milorad Mažić (SRB)
Assistant Referee 1: Milovan Ristić (SRB)
Assistant Referee 2: Dalibor Đurđević (SRB)
Additional Assistant Referee 1: Nenad Đokić (SRB)
Additional Assistant Referee 2: Danilo Grujić (SRB)
Fourth Official: Clément Turpin (FRA)
Reserve Assistant Referee: Nemanja Petrović (SRB)
UEFA Referee Observer: Vladimir Sajn (SVN)
UEFA Delegate: Adonis Procopiou (CYP)

198 comments:

  1. Any information about colour of referee kits tonight

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    1. You wrote the comment at 19:27. Game starts at 20:45. Why can’t you hold for 1 hour?

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    2. It's okay victor... He hasn't committed any crime by asking... Sometimes we get charged up with excitement and enthusiasm!!

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  2. On one hand, Keylor Navas can go light red (discarded because of LFC being the opponent), yellow or bottle green.

    On the other hand, Karius is wearing a green shirt in almost every single google image of him.

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  3. Good Mazic upto now... Peaceful proceedings in the first 15 minutes!!

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  4. 22' delayed whistle, Mazic waited for a possible advantage before assigning the foul, he wanted to be sure that action was over. Good.

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  5. Excellent onside by AR1 in 22 min

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  6. Marcelo just showed dissent on a throw in decision by uttering a swear word!!

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  7. Was that a possible YC to Sergio Ramos?

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    1. Nope IMO... Salah rather appeared to catch Ramos there!

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    2. Ramos litterly put an arm bar on Salah. And yet it's Salah's fault? People are so worried about cautioning players. Yet the safety of players has gone by the way side. Don't caution cuz a player might miss a match. But now an amazing player if forced lo leave such a monumental match. Bravo!

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    3. Clear ball IMO, but after that mutual pulling unfortunately finished with shoulder injury of Salah. . I feel so sorry for him, extremely big loss for Liverpool.

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    4. Exactly... It was 'mutual'

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    5. It's sad that goons like Ramos and Casemiro always complete 90 minutes. While their "victims" hobble off or get carted off the pitch.

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    6. You please stop overreacting... These comments are sending wrong message about the blog everywhere... Chefren please take steps!

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    7. It can not be an overreaction when it's literally what happens. You can try and dismiss the facts. But it will continue to be factual and true.

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    8. In a replay when Ramos and Salah were falling lt looked like Ramos kept holding Salah's arm and pulling him down and then roll over..

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    9. Having watched the replay, I stand by my comment. Absolutely no grounds to claim deliberate injury by Ramos (especially given that the contact with the ground caused the injury - if Ramos can calculate that, he's very impressive). So careless foul, FK, no card.
      Anything else is just prejudice.

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    10. Andreja,
      You saw exactly what I saw. Ramos had zero reason to continue to keep an arm bar on Salah as they were falling. And he most definitely didn't have to roll onto Salah to ensure maximum contact and damage.

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    11. FYI, Ramos did almost the exact same foul on Dani Alves in last years champions league final and was rightly cautioned by Felix Brych who is in my opinion the current best referee in the world.

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  8. Typical dirty, thuggish Ramos. But he does it, because he's been allowed to develop into this type of player because of the overly permissive "modern approach".

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  9. Mission Accomplished by the dirty and treacherous Sergio Ramos.

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  10. No. Foul yes, but the damage was done on the unfortunate fall. Careless.

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    1. Yes... As a referee, Mazic could never have cautioned Ramos there... There was clearly mutual pulling and pushing and Salah caught Ramos near the knee and that caused the awkward fall... I 100% back Mazic here... Similar thing as Ronaldo situation in Euro final with Clattenburg!

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  11. Way too much credibility and belief in the nobility that Ramos has absolutely none of. One of the sneakiest and dirtiest players in football.

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    1. You can't be biased towards some players while officiating a game, I can't allow to send this message to people.
      What happens must be punished, not because made by a certain player.
      Having said that, my first impression is that YC to Sergio Ramos was possible, but nothing more than that and not a significant mistake by Mazic. Injury was just an indirect consequence, in this case Sergio Ramos didn't want to hurt the opponent.

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    2. Chefren please take note of some comments above... All extreme personal attacks targetted at certain players!!

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    3. With players like Ramos or like Pepe. Their is no nobility in their character. And all they do is thought out and carried out.

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    4. How are these observations relevant in a refereeing blog anyway?? These types of comments are implying as if in this blog we promote preferential treatment of players by referees!

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    5. Indeed I wont allow that, it is just Sheriff opinion :)

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  12. Correct and excellent offside by AR2 in 42min

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  13. 43' Goal correctly disallowed for offside.

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  14. Excellent offside call. Late, but great.

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    1. Great application of the wait and see technique!!

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  15. Maybe AR2 missed Cristiano Ronaldo offside and he flagged Benzema? :) In any case, correct flag, that would be speculation but...

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    1. After the replay was shown, I also thought Ronaldo was offside on the first header.

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    2. Speculation, but I think you’re right, Chefren

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    3. Reply showed that Benzema was milimetres in offside, too. Great decision anyway.

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    4. I think that also,and on first look it looked like obvious offside from Benzema.

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    5. I think he made a procedure that will be used in the world cup, wait for the play to complete and then flag, because in that way the var might intervene.Ja are putting this procedure into practice

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    6. Possible that he anticipated World Cup instructions, very good remark Jhonatan! That would explain the delay!

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  16. That was a great call on the initial pass

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  17. 1st half absolutely well done by Mazic & team. About YC /Sergio Ramos: When refereeing you only judge the concrete situation and not your opinions about the nobility of a participant. Only in situations of 50/50 decisions that might have a - little - influence on your interpretation, even if you try to avoid that, what you should do. But we are all humans...

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    1. That wasnt a foul ,it was just unfortunate fall.They both fell and unfortunately someone got injured.

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    2. Indeed. We expect referees to be prepared and expect what might happen, including knowing that some players *may* be sneaky or attempt vicious hits. But that means the referee is vigilant, not that he prejudges the conclusion.

      Mazic for sure has watched the videos. But he referees this game today, not the videos.

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    3. Good observation gentlemen 😎

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    1. Keeper had already released the ball, player was entitled to stay where he was.

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    2. Why would you disallow it? The goalkeeper released the ball, Benzema placed his foot on the trajectory. He didn't prevent the goalkeeper from releasing the ball.

      On another note, that GK is a moron.

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    3. Hi everyone about the position according to uefa rap 2 I19 there is a similar one wirh a kick and it says caution and IFK. I Could not be sure about the prevention. what is our main criterion about these kind of match situations @ Chefren and others.

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    4. "Why would you disallow it? The goalkeeper released the ball, Benzema placed his foot on the trajectory. He didn't prevent the goalkeeper from releasing the ball." @James I think this is a good explanation.

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  19. Top classe onside by AR1 leading to a goal!
    But that goal in CL final... oh my God! :D

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    1. I can't believe!!! Only Real can score such a goal. They are so, soooo lucky!

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    2. Can someone provide a still shot of the situation before 1–0??

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    3. The goal was a new situation anyway, so the onside situation was not relevant for it.

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  20. Ristić was great. Amassing onsite call.

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  21. Another excellent ONSIDE for 1-1.
    Good, good team Mazic.

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  22. Perfect and very good onside by AR2 for 1-1

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  23. Maybe missed red card for Mane against Ramos? IMO he delibaretely slapped him

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    1. "Orange Card", "Grey" Area" type of incident. I'll leave it at that.

      However in a match in which not even a Caution has been shown. There was ZERO chances that an incident like this would result in an Sending Off.

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  24. Djurdjevic!!! OMG 3 world class decisions so far in CL final! This is at least 8.7 until now. Excellent onside prior Liverpool's goal.

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    1. For that the game needs to be very challenging which it is absolutely not... It's 8.5

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    2. For the ARs it has been very challenging. Very hard decisions. You don't need to apply the same difficulty designation for all 6 referees.

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    3. This makes a lot of sense... I stand corrected :)

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    4. A CL final is always very challenging.

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    5. For the main referee it wasn't... A normal game!!

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  25. Just to note - very intensive game so far, but no cards by Mazic.
    Typical style for the Serbian. So far, it is working.

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    1. Mazic has a calming influence on players... He had quick words with players and diffused all potential conflicts in the very onset... Good man management by Mazic and this is what modern day refereeing demands!

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    2. The game has not been very challenging. Nor has it been played a high or intense pace. Pleasantly both teams have come out to simply play today. Other than Ramos' malicious act. The players are focused solely on the match and footballing actions. When players act in this manner, it makes the referee's job much easier. The case today.

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    3. Even then it's a credit to do well in whatever he has in front of him in the pitch!!

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  26. Well, we had the worst goal ever in CL final, and right now maybe the best one :)

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    1. Mazic has witnessed everything tonight :D

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  27. Good play-on decision in 73min to reject penalty appeal by LIV !

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  28. 73': correct no penalty call. Maybe cooperation by AR2 / AAR2.
    Arm was close to body, short distance. Play on.

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    1. Yes right decision... Never a penalty!!

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  29. 75': blatant offside, correct decision by AR1.

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  30. 0 bookings, 80 minutes so far.

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    1. Just as I wrote this,Mane got booked.

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  31. Here the fist YC, reckless challenge by Sadio Mané. Last replay showed that Sergio Ramos was slightly hit on his leg, so fully justified.

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  32. Was that for "intent" to Mane? Because there was no contact there. Great dive by Ramos though. His nobility and credibility continues to grow.

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    1. You missed for sure the last replay, there was a slight contact with leg, enough for deeming the challenge as reckless.

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    2. Yes it was simulation. A regular free kick is okay but not yellow. Ramos fooled Mazic.

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    3. If that's the only mistake we can find out, Mazic has done a bloody good job :)

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  33. This simply is I N C R E D I B L E!!!

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    2. Sorry Jovan, I can't accept that on the blog, just use different words :) thanks

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  34. Congrats to Mazic and team. Especially mr Djurdjevic!

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  35. I’ve never seen that before...

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  36. Very good performance by whole team. 8.6 in my opinion (8.7 for AR2)

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    1. Mazic can't get more than 8.4 in a normal match... So 8.4 is my mark!!

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  37. Well done team Mazić.
    Bravo drugari.

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  38. OT:
    The Finals in 2018 UEL and UCL. Have been some of the most poorly played mistake riddled games in recent history. The games were played at a pedestrian pace with no real intensity. However, this made the job for Mazic and Kuipers that much easier.

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    1. That is Lady Luck favouring the great referees :D

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    2. Well she must have taken the night in all 4 semi final matches. :D

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    3. Yes and one of the referees from the semi-finals just officiated in his 2nd career UEL final a few days go... So that just about shows how bad your assessments are :D

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    4. Well it had to be somebody. The deck isn't exactly stacked full of aces at the moment. Having to recycle a referee really made the UEFA Ref Comm look ill prepared. But that was clearly expressed and said by most on the blog.

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    5. At least it proves that the referee in question had no major mistakes in his earlier games and he still remains a reliable option to whom UEFA has to turn to when there aren't other reliable options... Once again shows how bad your assessments were :D

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    6. UEFA isn't exactly know for rewarding the most deserving officials. Nor is it know for it's transparency in regards to referee performances. So nobody including you and me know how a referee was assessed or rated. So my assessment or opinon to UEFA is as worthless as yours. Then again, for this year it could simply be a case of the least worse getting the nod. It's not as it any one referee was clearly head and shoulders above his peers.

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  39. Good performance by Mazic and his team. Congratulations!

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  40. Nightmare evening for Loris Karius. Hopefully he will recover.
    Something like that can destroy a career if you are not strong.
    Mazic in my opinion was expected level. Correct but not difficult decision to play on following a penalty appeal, one correct YC.
    Nothing more than that. 8.4 is my mark. Game was however not so demanding as one could have expected.
    Definitely more challenging game for both assistant referees who were simply excellent. No mistakes at all.
    This time committee can be happy.

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    1. Players and level of play indeed made the job easy for the Serb crew.

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    2. I however thing that Mané's YC was not right according to the line he had set. The contact is very soft, not more reckless than other fouls which have not been considered as such. But I don't really blame Mazic: Ramos has been exaggerating everything from the beginning. Some call that experience or guile. I call it lack of Fair Play and would like UEFA to take some action.

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    3. I agree. Mane's card was indeed unnecessary. A simple talking to would have sufficed. It would have been Mazic keeping the line that he had presented for 80 minutes. I do however think that Mazic was done in by Ramos' overly dramatic dive. Ramos threw out the bait and Mazic bit the hook.

      Ramos did a bit of everything today. IMO, he knew exactly what he was doing on the Salah incident and he was overselling each and every contact he felt. But there are ZERO chances that UEFA steps in and takes any action. It's Ramos being Ramos. A monster that's been allow to exist and grow thanks to complacency of many.

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    4. Superb Mazic... Excellent Mazic... Today I am just celebrating success of Team Mazic 😎😎

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  41. I am very proud by whole Serbian team. They were simply excellent, especially Djurdjevic! This is their third season in a row with very good/excellent performances, and they deserve to finish it in the best way! I wish them all the best in Russia - now they could easilly reach semifinal there!

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    1. I would bet on a Quarter final for Mazic in World Cup... I've to say Mazic's ARs are the among the best 3 AR pairs in Europe!!

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  42. 8.3 for Mazic on a normal match. IMO, he should have booked Ramos for the incident with Salah.

    8.5 and 8.6 for AR's.

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    1. 8.4 for me... No YC for Ramos perfect IMO

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    2. YC for Ramos in my opinion! Would love peoples thoughts on the missed Ramos elbow into the chest of the liverpool goalkeeper!

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  43. Videos:

    25' - Sergio Ramos vs Salah
    https://streamable.com/rg8em

    43' - Disallowed goal
    https://streamable.com/kua5d

    51' - 1:0 goal
    https://streamable.com/clsl1

    52' - Possible violent conduct
    https://streamable.com/i2mao

    55' - 1:1 goal, illegal use of arm?
    https://streamable.com/psqbr

    73' - handball
    https://streamable.com/i1ebh

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    1. 52': interesting situation for sure, watching and rewatching I can't be sure whether it was deliberate or not. In case of deliberate action, RC. But evidence is missing for me, can't be a crucial mistake. Of course, VAR would have solved everything.

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    2. What about the 1:1 goal? Ramos is stroke by outstretched hand.

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    3. @52': I think, we can't assume that VAR would have solved it. As you write, one can't be sure about the intention even when watching it from different perspectives.
      But we see in that clip, that Mane gets a clear warning by Mazic here. That justifies the YC later on, another warning would have been to weak then IMO. (also pointed out by estkane below)

      @1:1 Surely possible to give the foul. But I think, no clear mistake, because Ramos would not have reached the ball anyway (he was already sinking, when the arm impact started)

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    4. I agree with Philipp.

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    5. This look's more rugby than Football, in my opinion!
      Following rules this is not allowed, playing the opponent in this way?? nothing to do with playing bal! for sure at least a yellow card, maybee even more!
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ya7q_1AoDU

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    6. 25 - Thats a YC for me because I think thats reckless by Ramos.
      43 - excellent call.
      51 - shit goalkeeping.
      52 - Definitely not a red imo as the contact was negligible. Possible to give a yellow but well handled by the referee with a clear public warning.
      55 - I'd like further angles on that one but it's a 50/50 call for me.
      73 - arms tucked in and close distance is not handball for me.

      Does anyone have the clip of Ramos Elbowing Karius!??

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  44. With VAR I am sure Mane would have gotten a red card. That was deliberate. Hand in the face. Violent conduct.

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    1. 80 minutes, no cards. And your first card shown is going to be Red? Get real man. Never gonna happen. Especially in a UEFA match, much less in the Final.

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    2. First of all my comment was about VAR which is used in FIFA not UEFA CL. Second of all I said if VAR was used. Third of all don’t talk that disrespectfully ”man”.

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    3. And I simply that even with VAR. Mazic is not dismissing Mane for that. In a UEFA match with no cards like today's. Where the referee's do anything and everything to start and finish the match with 22 players on the pitch. He would review it and simply deem it as incidental contact. Then explain it away by using the "grey area" criteria.

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  45. German TV just showed an ugly scene from Ramos. Ellbow punch against Karius two minutes before the first goal. Difficult to spot. Maybe impossible. VAR is really needed.

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    1. I found this (will probably be taken down)

      https://twitter.com/sun2jay/status/1000484378290638848

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    2. Ah yes I remember that incident. I noticed that Karius was down. But the feed in the US conveniently failed to show any replays as to why Karius was down. Yet for any and every other play there were multiple angles and replays. Oh well, I guess.

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    3. It was around 2 minutes before the 1-0, so ~49'.

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    4. Poor quality video... Nothing clearly comprehensible... So no comments!!

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    5. https://nieuws.vtm.be/vtm-nieuws/sport/dit-de-reden-voor-blunders-karius

      Clear RC. Totally missed.

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    6. Is it in the viewing angle of AAR1???

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    7. Ref do not have an eye for every player on the pitch and to see what he is doing. Look the video - where is the ball, where Mazic stands and what he is watching. He was watching the ball and possible foul - he could not see something what was going on far from his field of view.

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    8. I’m nog blaming Mazic here. Maybe his AAR could have seen this. In the end, they are a team and unfortunately they failed to see it. It just shows you that you have to expect the unexpected.

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    9. I think that is a red card and I believe VAR should have picked that up if it was in use.

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  46. 25' at one moment you can see that Salah tuck his arm over Ramos, so this was definitely not a foul.

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    1. That's what I was saying from the beginning... It was "mutual"... Both players were going for the ball and Salah was unlucky to fall accidentally!!

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    2. And on another image you can clearly see Ramos locking Salah's arm between his arm and his torso.

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    3. That's where I take issue with Ramos. His actions as they are falling. There is ZERO need for him to arm bar Salah. Yet he does exactly that and then follows through and finishes him by rolling on him.

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    4. That wasn't "locking" by any means... I'm sorry... Either someone hates Mazic here or are just looking for things to build controversy!!

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    5. That's your opinon and point of view. I don't share it. And in my eyes I do see it as Ramos intentinally arm barring Salah as he takes him.

      Furthermore, my issue isn't with Mazic. So if you would please, stop ASSuming. I can't solely fault Mazic for what many before him have allowed Ramos to do and become as a player.

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    6. I just hope referees don't start carding for this... If referees start carding for these little things then God save football!!

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    7. No card? Fine. However I would card because Ramos' action endangers Salah's physical well being.
      But to not call a foul at all like Mazic did. Is just plain wrong IMO.

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    8. Not a foul for me... It was Salah who wrapped his arms round Ramos' and not the other way round... That was nothing really, let alone a card!!

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    9. I can't find a better word than locking.

      Soham, perhaps you should accept that referees are making mistakes. And it's not bad to highlight them. No need to be so overprotective with some referees and at the same time bash others who don't fit your criteria.

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    10. I've seen replays from different angles and from my perception Mazic hadn't made a mistake here!

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    11. I absolutely agree. No faul. No YC.

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  47. First of all, perfect final for the referees as social media is going crazy about a) two mistakes that Karius made and b) stunning goal scored by Bale.

    Also, Mazic and his AR-s were on fire as they got almost everything spot on. Maybe in that one and only YC situation the previous Mane-Ramos conflict (on 52nd minute) was taken in account and in terms of persistent infringement, YC to Mane makes much more sense because clearly YC shouldnt be issued there just for that foul.

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    1. You have the point about YC for Mane (and everything else), there was strong warning earlier from Mazic.
      For me, this was refereeing that one can imagine in CL final!

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  48. Well. Committee can be happy tonight. Mazic did well as most of us expected and is a candidate for all higher levels at World Cup. But this night cannot and should not make anyone forget the fact that absurd match-defining mistakes ruined this season in QF and HF... In my view one should discuss exceptions for highest level referees from the "45 years end of career - rule" changing that to 47 years as long as the physical tests are passed.
    We need VAR in EL and CL knockout-phase NOW!
    And the refs need permanent psychological support. In this point we urgentky need to follow the results of modern sports-science saying that most of those faults result from the extreme pressure not being part of the normal preparation and supervision.

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  49. Early prediction :

    UEFA Super Cup 2018 (Tallinn)

    Real Madrid v Atletico Madrid

    Referee : Szymon Marciniak (Poland)

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    1. To be honest, I would expect a more experienced referee. Did Brych ever do the Supercup?

      And if not Brych, I expect a non-WC referee. Orsato, Hategan.

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    2. Even Cakir hasn't done a Super Cup in his career yet... But I still expect Marciniak... He has far more experience in big European games than Orsato or Hategan!!

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    3. We have for sure a big game there. Is Turpin ready?
      I see him, to be honest...

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    4. I think UEFA want to avoid what happened with Collum in 2015, so I think names like Hategan, Turpin might be too early.
      Marciniak would be my choice.
      But I think to have this conversation before the WC is quite paradoxical, anything could happen in Russia!

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    5. Right, Mikael. Surely what will happen for UEFA referees in Russia will be relevant for Super Cup assignment.

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    6. World Cup with VAR means that no referee will end up having a particularly big stinker I hope!

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    7. Early prediction, but my first pick is Çakir.

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    8. I also think Marciniak will get it. He should be prepared for what is expected for him: first El, and after that CL final. He'll get them in years to come, I am sure.
      Turpin could be another good option, but don't forget that he exclude Simeone, so Atletico wouldn't be happy for his nomination - it is still fresh.

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    9. Turpin should be avoided because we all remember what happened with Collum in 2015!!

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  50. Thank to readingfan from Rate The Ref forum, an identical situation from Reading v Sheffield United (25/04/2011) but a different decision from the referee.

    https://youtu.be/IeB7ZKEuRac?t=187

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    1. I think this situation should be analysed in the next RAP. The law's text is this:
      "An IFK is awarded if a player prevents the goalkeeper from releasing the ball from the hands or kicks or attempts to kick the ball when the goalkeeper is in the process of releasing it". What does exactly "the process of releasing it"? When the ball hasn't left his hands yet? I think Mazic got it right, but would be nice to see what is committee's opinion!

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    2. In my understanding it means only the time, when the goalkeeper still touches the ball. In the case of a throw, the ball is released afterwards. Only when the GK is performing a kick, the ball is still not playable between the touches with the hand and the foot.
      So for me the decision from England is wrong (and Mazic's one correct). But I agree, that it is not completely clear and an official clarification would be nice.

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  51. Mazic did a good match, for sure.
    But the action from Ramos has influenced the match. From that moment, everything changed.
    The fault was voluntary and probably, the best player was out. At least YC was needed here. Even RC can be discussed.

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    1. Exactly... It's not even a clear foul, let alone any card... I'm sure Vlado Sajn will assess it the same!!

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    2. We read in international press:
      “Devil's Work done by Sergio Ramos
      He is an utter disgrace to the Professionalism and Sporting Spirit”.
      And more:
      “GERMAN television has unearthed a clip of Real Madrid skipper Sergio Ramos elbow-charging cock-up keeper Loris Karius before the Liverpool stopper’s first fatal error in Kiev.”
      If the ref doesn’t make aan intervention in the first action, the player knows how far he can go, to explore the limits. Ramos felt comfortable and safe in his actions, protected by the ref.
      The ref took big risks in not giving a sanction to Ramos and to give clear view on what is allowed of not.

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  52. I think there were critical turning points during the game there.

    1st Karius was hit by an elbow which was neglected during the game by the AAR and the First Official. In this top level of competetitions athletes are so strong that They did not understand they have a physical imbalances or not. This lead to the 1st goal of Real Madrid. In Refereeing terminology we say the the First Official did not prevent the game but technically he did. Salah's injury, Ramos' unnecessary aggressiveness etc.

    https://streamable.com/f1xwv

    Such kind of playing could easily be prevented by the Preventive Measures and lectures. Discipline and sanctions are not all about red card and yellow cards. You can apply the best man management by verbal and non verbal people skills I do not think these qualities were practised at his best yesterday. All in all as a spectator it wasn't the final as I expected.

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  53. http://www.goal.com/en-au/news/kahn-defends-karius-after-unnecessary-ramos-elbow/icxgx5fykq3w10915w52cb9kv It looks like I was not the only one here. Elite refs should really be very emphatetical at this level. Every minute change and mistake during the game result with undesired things.

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    1. Kahn isn't any holier than thou person to be fair!

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    2. Wish you have reached to the level that they reached. In this blog you are the one personalizing everything and trying to get the spotlight. Let there pluralism and freedom of speech. But I like that metallica song.

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    3. You're absolutely free to say anything that you want... You think Mazic and team made errors while I think they didn't and I don't agree with you... And in case you ask that only those reaching a certain level can comment on something then basically none of us are suitable enough to talk about any Elite referees' performance as none of such are in that level... You've your views and I just followed that up with mine... That doesn't mean I am disrespecting your opinion!!

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    4. Great we are on the same page about speech. Mazic is a great ref what I am saying is the game demands more. And actions like Ramos did yesterday could have easily been prevented. You can miss an offside, a hand, even a goal passing the goal line but when it comes to rule 12 and athlete health. The punishment or warning should be swift and harsh. You may be harming the instution of refereeing and officiating by ignoring these facts that's what I am saying. not more than that.

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    5. I understand what you are saying... But personally I don't think Mazic had anything more to do to prevent that particular situation from happening!!

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  54. Very crazy scenes at the end of Slovenia's Prva Liga championship.
    Domzale - Olimpia Ljubliana, where the away team need to win, currently 1-1.
    AAR2 recommended to Skomina to whistle a penalty for Olimpia, correct in my opinion it was a big push directly causing the fall.
    Skomina then sent a technical official from Olimpia to the stands for dissent.
    Some fans tried to get at the Fourth Official, it does seem that only their will not the stadium layout would prevent that from happening.
    Currently the players are in the centre circle, waiting for some further instructions from Skomina and presumably a match delegate...

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    1. Olimpija Ljubljana fans and players run on the pitch to celebrate, but they only drew 1-1 and flashscore.com has Maribor as champions.
      What has happened? :-D

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    2. I suppose by away goals on the head-to-head record, Olimpija are champions (4-4 head-to-head but Olimpija have scored 3 away goals).

      In any case in the last minutes (75' on), I saw a good Skomina, that handled this hot match well, and awarded a correct penalty assigned by AAR2.

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    3. From 0:55
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PYCmIhIz1I

      Correct Penalty?

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    4. Penalty for me! The defender had no chance to play the call and there was certainly enough force in the push to cause the attacker to fall over. (Kind of like the situation in Wolfsburg v Holstein Kiel imo!!)

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    5. For me it's a CLEAR penalty!
      Sorry but how stupid you need to be to push the player so obviuos, in front of the referee?

      1:14 on the video above

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    6. I hope that players are protesting because they doubt the certainty of the decision, not its validity.

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    7. Thanks, Mikael. I also intended to ask for opinions about this penalty, but you managed first. For me it also is a clear penalty and I don't understand doubts that arose this afternoon. Well, conspiracy theorists from Maribor would claim that Domzale players intentionally helped their neighbours Olimpija to the title, but it is a bullshit IMHO. Nevertheless, it was a championship deciding call.

      Regarding Skomina - I think he has fully recovered from Rome. I watched him live at the stadium last week in a derby match Maribor-Olimpija and today in another crucial match and he has done very well on both occasions.

      The AAR in question today was Asmir Sagrkovic, a young and promising ref IMO who is still climbing up the ladder in Slovenia and at this time is only getting matches now and then in the top division as a main referee.

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    8. Clear foul. Tackle in the back, not the shoulder. Simple and clear. Really nothing to discuss.

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  55. I wasn't watching the whole match only the last few minutes when the fans of Olimpija interrupted the match and I don't like that scene at all. Olimpija has become the National Champion due to better score result in mutual (Olimpija-Maribor) matches.

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  56. One last about CL final
    I also belive that overall Mazic had a fairly good game, but unfortunatelly missed key incidents that had a huge impact on the outcome of the game.
    In both occasions infringments happened on his blind side and more than likely he did not have a good view. But who could you blame if not a ref.
    First incident with Ramos and Salah is a great example for var, which unfortunatelly will not be in use next season. I can not underestand how on earth after seeing footage some of us are doubting that he ment to injure Salah.it is truth that Salah outstretched his hand in attempt to block of Ramos (all players do that to protect themselves), but actions from Ramos were outrages. In saying that I belive YC would be sufficient ,for unsporting.
    Another incident when he clearly elbowed Karius is all day RED CARD in my opinion. Again great opportunity for VAR
    For those of you that have doubts about Ramos intentions :
    https://youtu.be/xkamtKnV2yM

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    1. "But who could you blame if not a ref." - Well, the player, who committed the infringement could be blamed (and you do that already...)

      I don't understand, how Ramos/Salah is an example for VAR, if even you come to the conclusion, that a YC would be sufficient.
      I also can't understand "how on earth" someone can be sure, it was Ramos' intention to injure Salah.
      If Salah had not been injured, probably nobody would talk about that situation and a YC for Ramos there would have appeared harsh (especially as 1st caution of the game).

      About the incident with Karius, I agree, that this would have been a VAR opportunity, who hopefully would have more perspectives than we have. Not sure about the outcome of the check though.

      About the video: The majority of the situations there are YC offences. Anyway, you can't conclude Ramos' intentions in the CL final from that.

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    2. In my view that is nothing for VAR! VAR should only intervene when it is about
      A Goal or not
      B Red Card
      C Clearly missed PKs
      All the rest must stay in the only responsibility of the team on the field. Otherwise we would face an inflation of Interventions - the pure chaos!

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  58. It’s good to read my comment of the 27th of May (19:18) again, seen the dramatical news on Karius.........

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