The first Quarterfinal of EURO 2020 is assigned to Michael Oliver. Let's comment his performance in this discussion.
St. Petersburg, 2 July 2021 18:00 CET
SWITZERLAND - SPAIN
Referee: Michael Oliver (ENG)
Assistant Referee 1: Stuart Burt (ENG)
Assistant Referee 2: Simon Peter Bennett (ENG)
Fourth Official: Ovidiu Alin Hațegan (ROU)
Fifth Official: Sebastian Eugen Gheorghe (ROU)
Video Assistant Referee: Christopher Kavanagh (ENG)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee 1: Christian Dingert (GER)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee 2: Lee Betts (ENG)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee 3: Stuart Attwell (ENG)
UEFA Referee Observer: Mehmet Murat Ilgaz (TUR)
UEFA Delegate: Artur Azaryan (ARM)
Maybe that's just a really stupid question but does anyone know what the reason is behind certain VAR appointments? What I mean by that is why for example is Dingert AVAR 1 in the English team? Would it not make sense to put him to the German VAR team tonight, so they have a full German team and put for example Gil to the English team?
ReplyDeleteAlso from what I know, AVAR3 is more of an "observing"/"supporting" role. Why not have two Englishmen as VAR and AVAR1 as they will work closely together?
Sorry for the perhaps stupid question but I'm really curious.
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ReplyDeleteIt seems that appointments are out for 2nd legs of 1QF for european club competitions. Extremely early this year.
Anoynmous comments are allowed again, please be responsabile othwerwise we will deactivate them forever. Personally, I'm against this censorship because most of people are penalized without having any fault, but lately we have read too many unacceptable comments. Thanks.
ReplyDeleteI echo your request Chefren! I hope everybody can behave in a decent manner from now on. And from my point of view, having anonymous comments disabled the last few days, the quality and tone of comments did not really improve, to put it kindly. Let’s enjoy good football and good refereeing during the final stages of the tournament!
DeleteI am not sure what is your point here
ReplyDeleteGood luck Mr. Michael Oliver
ReplyDeleteI can't remember at the moment. What was second Oliver's match in GS besides HUN FRA
ReplyDeleteSweden - Poland.
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DeleteGood advantage by Oliver in the 24th minute. After a foul by the Spain attacker, he allow Swiss keeper to make long pass.
ReplyDeleteGood outside min 41.
ReplyDeleteVery very uneventful first half, Oliver’s games has all gone this way for him,,, good luck to him, what a referee dreams off
ReplyDeleteGood performance from Oliver in a calm first half.
ReplyDeleteFirst half without problems to Oliver. Good behaviour of both teams. No controversial plays.
ReplyDeleteA very timely and stern warning at 45'. As the game itself was too calm and he could offord himself not to show a YC, his warning showed the players that he is there and in control of the game. This is a moment when a lot of referees miss an opportunity to make themselves accepted by the players.
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Delete... and while I was praising Oliver for the warning, the warned player ESP2 made 3 fouls in a row without further actions by Oliver.
DeleteWhich of these did the player not do?
Delete-stand facing the field of play
-have part of each foot on the touchline or on the ground outside the touchline
- throw the ball with both hands from behind and over the head from the point where it left the field of play
Game totally in control, players not interested in any ‘foul’ throw. Why go looking for trouble?
Correct YC min 66.
ReplyDeleteFirst card of the Game.
Correct YC there on 66' for Widmer. A brash referee may have issued a RC there, and that would have been a wrong decision.
ReplyDeleteGood decision by Oliver.
Can you stop to make all these references, also insulting, to other referees?
DeleteCould you just comment on the game or be more polite? I think you can. Your opionion about other incidents is clear. No need to repeat. Thank you.
OK, my intention was not to make any references, but I get your point.
DeleteNoted. Thanks.
Straight RC! Wrong decision for me. Wow, Oliver is deciding this match...
ReplyDeleteNoone was expecting a RC here. It was a superb performance by Oliver but why is he influencing this match with a RC that is very, very harsh?
DeleteMy problem is more with VAR. What are they doing? A ref can make a mistake but VAR can clearly see the replay.
DeleteVAR has to take that back
ReplyDeleteTerrible red card. Never. Clearly only a reckless challenge.
ReplyDeleteFor me not enough for RC, too much ball played. But I understand the decision. I see it different.
ReplyDeleteThat is NEVER a RC. I'm in shock. The player clearly won the ball.
ReplyDeleteBall makes no difference at all. It's not a red card because the studs never even hit the player and the contact was only reckless.
DeleteThat is the gist... no studs, no violent conduct. Typical case of YC. I think Oliver just fell flat on his face.
DeleteShocking RC. No violent conduct. It's a harsh tackle deserving of YC. Never more than that. VAR has to intervene.
ReplyDeleteUff, RC? For real?
ReplyDeleteThe only explanation for the RC is that Oliver is looking for a decision to make after 3 uneventful, easy games in this tournament. Taylor is a far better referee and should have got this QF.
ReplyDeleteI really dont understand a RC! What was VAR room argument for SFP?
ReplyDeleteRidicolous decision from Oliver. İn primler league he never give such RC.
ReplyDeleteHarsh RC for me, not totally wrong, but not the expected decision IMO. Especially regarding what weve seen earlier this tournament.
ReplyDeleteCorrect RC by Oliver!
ReplyDeleteWhy?
DeleteTerrible RC, ruining the game, why did the VAR not take it back?
ReplyDeleteI disagree with RC, and we can discuss the misseed VAR intervention. Again, I want to repeat, the line for changing a given decision by referee, is very different from correcting a missed one.
ReplyDeleteSo far, 0 interventions for penalties and red cards to be removed.
This is in my opinion rather a mistake.
Clearly less red card than all the other situations we had so far in which VAR staying silent was absolutely OK.
Ubnluckily at this moment such decision can be match deciding.
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DeleteAlso it is sensible to consider a stage. Noone wants to have a wrong decision in final not corrected because VAR supports everything.
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DeleteUnfortunately, unacceptable red card from Mr Oliver.
ReplyDeleteWrong RC in my opinion. VAR should have intervened imo but not sure if it's really VAR stuff considering tournament guidelines.
ReplyDeletePersonally I thought it was a red given what we’ve already seen this tournament - the two Wales red’s have been less of a red than that for me? A ‘supportable’ decision I feel for sure
ReplyDeleteBut at least he runs ;)
ReplyDeleteCorrect RC
ReplyDeleteYou just say "correct RC",... no more fantasy ?? ... rather don't talk than talk bulshit
DeleteQuite harsh from Oliver
ReplyDeleteThe assesments of SFP in this tournament have been completely without any line. It's like each referee uses a different laws of the game.
ReplyDeleteWell, but you talk as having consistency for SFP would be an easy thing... unluckily it isn't. Different referees, different perceptions, behind the monitor one can have a different idea, and I think Oliver himself would have switched to yellow. There are many factors, you can't analyze so easily...
DeleteIt's been very easy this tournament.
DeleteOther than Hategan, referees this whole tournament have given yellow in just about every “orange card” challenge. I agree that Oliver’s decision is harsher than the standard set by many referees in this tournament, but the issue is not with Oliver here. Player safety is paramount, and if every orange card is only given yellow, players will start making lots of orange challenges. My issue is with UEFA seemingly wanting referees to be lenient on these borderline challenges. In most other tournaments, Oliver’s decision would be normal, expected.
DeleteOne thing is that Oliver has a different perception, but VAR not even go for an OFR. I don't see any argument to support it
ReplyDeleteWhy VAR not intervene? This is a reckless tackle and not more. Now Oliver influencing such an importent QF.
ReplyDeleteI have seen a worse tackle overturned by VAR in Italy. What is the criteria to say that this is not a YC? Excessive force?
ReplyDeleteI would've been fine with a yellow there. The studs came in above the ball but never actually made contact with the Spanish player's leg. For me this is reckless but not at all serious foul play.
ReplyDeleteRED CARD IS VERY HEAVY
ReplyDeleteI think RC is correct considering it was foul with two legs with open feet
ReplyDeleteI agree. Studs are showing and there is a scissor motion (albeit it’s low on the leg).
DeleteCan't believe that was straight red. In the Premiership it might have been yellow. Or even just a stern warning, depending on how the game was flowing. There was no really dangerous play there.
ReplyDeleteJust listening to a bunch of ex-prof pundits on TV. All saying that yellow was sufficient, and this will really influence the game.
DeleteDuring Orsato’s last game, many comments stated that it was an easy game and the ref performance was biased because of that.
ReplyDeleteToday’s game was as well very easy, maybe even easier, but it took few seconds to change mc with one single, ridiculous decision
Honestly, I am really stunned. Without any need, Oliver puts himself under pressure. Neither the foul itself nor the atmosphere of the match "needed" a RC. There could be enormous discussion if Switzerland loses this match. He was perfectly in charge but he influenced the match with his decision.
ReplyDeleteI agree with VAR to support the decision even if the decision itself is not the best option.
Indeed, it would be interpreted that he tries to push Spain now, and he really had normal easy game, he was concentrated...
DeleteBy the way, Manuel Gräfe (referee expert for German TV and former FIFA referee) said the RC was too harsh, he would have given a YC. However, he underlined that VAR was right to support Oliver considering UEFA's line of intervention.
DeleteThere is no reason at all to support this decision. I don't think any referee at the Euro or Rosetti thinks this is a correct red card.
Delete“Without any need, Oliver puts himself under pressure”
DeleteThis isn’t how we should look at red cards like this. If too many of these challenges go unpunished because a referee wants to stay in the background, more players will want to make challenges like this and that will b a detriment to player safety. Some referee needs to be brave enough to remind people they can’t tackle like this.
Lunge with excessive force - at least supportable RC IMO
ReplyDeleteOliver seems more interested in looking at himself on the big screen than refereeing the game.
ReplyDeleteSeeking for attention, sounds like you. For real: ridiculous comment, this is exactly what was meant about turning anonymous comments off.
DeleteCalm down. It was a sarcastic comment based on an observation I made.
DeleteIndeed these comments are the worst we can read!
DeleteOliver just took a decision based on his perception, nothing else.
Everyone can make his opinion and comment, and if someone criticize a dicision please in a factual and fair manner and no comments like anonymos 19:43.
DeleteIn my opinion it's not such a bad comment... I had also noticed that Oliver looks up after he has whistled a foul or gives a card. Not to check or confirm his decision, but as Anonymous sarcastically implies to "please" himself by looking at the screens in the stadium. Didn't other people notice Oliver looking up a few times in the tv broadcast?
DeleteThank you Jan. It was only a harmless observation. The overreaction from some users is pathetic.
DeleteThan sorry if I am over reacted.
DeleteAt speed, two feet off the ground, jumping in from distance, end with two feet following through. In control of challenge?
ReplyDeleteThe days when ‘coming away with some of the ball’ mitigates anything have long gone.
From Oliver’s view from side on, at ground level, the challenge will have looked its worst. At worst, it’s a supportable decision.
The VAR is never ever going to get involved in this type of incident and rightly so - at worst it’s an opinion and VAR was sold as not ‘rerefereeing’ the game.
2 feet off the ground? At most a millimeter or 2, first hitting the ball then following through on the player, clear YC max.
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DeleteI am a big fan of Oliver but that RC has just changed the game for no reason. This match did not need a RC for that challenge. For me, an incorrect decision.
ReplyDeleteThe only reason this red card is debatable is because of the lenient line that UEFA has taken this tournament. In most other competitions, there would be really no debate about the red card here. Generously, it’s an orange card and supportable decision at worst.
ReplyDeleteAfter rewatching, I think RC is way too much. YC would be a much better decision
ReplyDeleteIMO correct RC, he can break his leg, i know it was a ball but situation was very dangerous
ReplyDeleteI would not say this is "correct", but somehow supportable and definitely not "incorrect". RC can be avoided but Oliver is not "wrong" in this case.
DeleteIMO absolutely correct RC - a desperate two-footed challenge clearly endangered the safety of the players. On a little bit seperate note - these are one of the most dangerous challenges in football - from the front with a high speed, when the 'recepient''s feet are heavily planted at the ground. Immediately come to mind the injury of Eduardo from Arsenal long time ago and Van Dijk more recently. Well done, Oliver.
ReplyDeleteYep, I could sense danger the moment the player lost the ball. These are the types of challenges that need a red card so that players think twice next time.
DeleteHe came in diagonally and you can see he is trying to festrain himself somewhat noticing he is coming in with too much speed. Clearly intending and getting the ball, football remains a contact sport and influencing the match with such a harsh decision in an important match was the wrong call.
DeleteInteresting to note that it was Michael Oliver who was the referee in the game that you reference Van Dijk's injury.
DeleteI think we cannot be sure that there was no contact with the defender's right studs on the shin. I'll wait for another replay before calling this RC a wrong decision.
ReplyDeleteImo a correct RC.
DeleteAtmosphere or not doesn’t really matter tho, if it was a red card challenge even in an under 10 match, honestly it should be given, when I first saw the replay I first said red card, his foot was high, he went two footed although other leg more grounded and he scraped through the player, I will say it is supportable And not to mention how the player jumped after losing the ball, IMO this are Criteria for SFP
ReplyDeleteSupportable RC for me.
ReplyDeleteAt that moment right after the foul, I thought: that should give a red card, but the referee will probably only show yellow. Then I was pleasantly surprised when there was actually red. Then I saw the repetition and thought that it was never red. So no reproach to Oliver, in the live picture it looked much worse than it was
ReplyDelete"Funny" fact: Next game with a RC, again Hategan involved as referee or Fourth Official.
ReplyDeleteHahhaha so maybe it was his suggestion!
DeleteYes, red card usually with Hategan in referee or fourth official role… Only Sweden - Ukraine without Hategan in any role nad with a red card.
DeleteThe ref did take a second or two to go to his back pocket so maybe the AR or 4O helped confirm it.
DeletePerfect red card.
ReplyDeletehttps://twitter.com/zawodsedzia/status/1411016278924578821?s=09
ReplyDeleteGuys, look at this picture.
IMO it's serious foul play and correct RC
All other angles it's clear that it's not a RC
DeleteI meant photo taken from behind red #5. Moreno's foot is almost parallel to the ground, after contact with a trailing leg of an opponent.
DeleteSome guys cant see really,,correct red card,, congrats Oliver.
DeleteIn my opinion, Oliver based his RC decision on Moreno's pretense in rolling around in fake pain.
ReplyDeleteThe referee himself did not see the foul clearly, but simply made a guess based on the Spanish players' screams and the player rolling around.
Sad.
Another surprise is why VAR didn't call for an OFR.
That’s a guess, not an opinion…
DeleteA very uncontrolled move. #SPA9 is so lucky. His leg could be broken.
ReplyDeleteOf course, this has nothing to say but we can definitely see what Oliver has to expect:
ReplyDeleteOn Twitter in Germany, a nation that is not involved in the game, the word "Fehlentscheidung" is on top of the trends. "Fehlentscheidung" means "wrong decision", there is a massive amount of people criticising Oliver for his decision, saying it was a YC.
Again, it is social media and definitely not a "source". But UEFA will be very unhappy with Oliver starting the QFs like that.
Manuel Gräfe in ZDF said this was clear YC for only reckless.
DeleteYes, I mentioned it above and I agree with that.
DeletePossible second yellow card for Swiss player Widmer, minute 97.
ReplyDeleteAfter that direct red card, this would be crash for game. Much better to whistle only foul.
@Chefren
ReplyDeleteDo you agree with me that Oliver was heavily influenced by the Spanish players and Moreno's reaction to the foul?
Oliver had made his decision immediately on viewing it, you see him go for his back pocket as soon as he finishes blowing his whistle.
DeleteExactly TJ. Oss. Nobody influences Oliver but Oliver.
DeleteWhat are the chances of Oliver getting the final?
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DeleteIt’s called sarcasm.
DeleteThe contact wasn’t fully made like that in Orsato s game if now the player would have been severely injured and we would be saying a different thing, just to emphasize referees in the tournament issue yellow card or no penalty for case where they are not sure so VAR will intervene but for Oliver to call it a Red that means he has a perception of Jordan Pickfords challenge on Van dijk early last season and in truth if the contact really connected it would have been a serious issue but doesn’t take away the fact that indeed it was a serious foul play action from the player, much more from the Seiberts Red card!! He had a perception of what the player wanted to do although the impact was minimal we could over look the fact that he had endangered the safety of that player with that action
ReplyDeleteIf only football had something in between yellow and red, a 10 minute sin bin like in rugby would be best for some situations like this :-)
ReplyDeleteIs this Oliver in disguise?
DeleteI hope you are not in anyway referring to me @Firqan Miah??
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DeleteMy thoughts EXACTLY!!!
Just like the updating of the 'Away goals', football should also update its 'card rules'.
It's unfair to punish a whole team/country for one player's alleged foul/offence.
The problem with Oliver is that he makes the big, and correct decisions, where most other referees wouldn't dare. An easy, and out of control red card.
ReplyDeleteAgain an International referee in the Netherlands who criticizing a colleague. Now Shona Shukrula said that the red card of Oliver wasn’t correct. She is a group 2 UEFA referee. Focus on your career and stay away of this. Why so eager to tell this on television? After Nijhuis, Lindhout this lady is also so media attentive. The UEFA will not appreciate this kind of media appearances.
ReplyDeleteI agree with you on this, being a high level official in another sport. It is purely unethical to criticize your colleagues in media and actually in my sport a violation of code of ethics which goes to the Disciplinary Commission.
DeleteThey have a right to voice their opinion. Clattenburg is voicing his opinions as well. I don't think providing an opinion a decision detracts from one's "focus". I appreciate opinions of actual referees on matters like this, regardless of whether they are active or former referees. If UEFA doesn't like it, then they can deal with it themselves.
DeleteI would say it depends on the Rules within the respective Federation (UEFA in this case) if this behavior is allowed or not.
DeleteYou would not see Clattenburg do that as an active UEFA referee, but those criticisms are from active referees under which guise they will seek future appointments, but I like when active referees talk and give your opinion which may differ from the decision taken By the main Referees but not Criticizing!!
DeleteI don’t think we want blind ‘do not speak ill of a colleague’, as it is plainly misleading. But I think Tv commentating does erase nuance and invite categorical criticism, without giving the full understanding in good faith required. So referees should ask themselves whether it’s to their, and the audience’s benefit to engage in that.
DeleteIn he UK, Graham Poll got criticized specifically for that, for criticizing ex-colleagues in bad faith (which sells copy, of course).
On a side note, at the RC in the UK they called in Peter Walton, who ran through the considerations and supported Oliver. They then cut back to the commentator, who went “well to me it’s not a red card.” What’s the point of having a refereeing expert if you’ll still let commentators spew gut feeling nonsense?
The point of having a refereeing expert is to look at the situation at hand from different perspectives. I think the commentator is allowed to have his view, regardless of what the expert says.
DeleteAnd let’s not forget that a considerable number of users on this blog deemed the RC decision as wrong or at least too harsh as well.
Interestingly though, all 4 pundits in the studio (England) unanimously thought it was no doubt a RC, and they weren’t shy about putting in bad tackles …. Keane, Souness, de Jong!
DeleteThoughts about the YC to Gavranovic for delaying the restart at 120’? Gavranovic misses the next match as a result (if Switzerland passes). Was that strictly necessary? Should Oliver have taken into consideration the eventual suspension?
ReplyDeleteOf course not, why need to take this into consideration? Fully agree with Oliver on this
DeleteSurely we can’t expect referees to take into account future suspension. Have to just referee the game in front of you.
DeleteAbsolute textbook DtR - 120th minute, SWI hanging on, ESP pressure, wanting to take the kick straight away and the offending team/player deliberately boots the ball 10/20m specifically to delay the restart and regroup.
I like the refereeing style of tournament, but not at the cost of ignoring blatant offences.
No, he should never take into account a possible suspension in the next game. That's not up to him. Was it necessary? Probably not, but it was something very obvious and I think almost everyone expected such a card.
DeleteThe Spanish GK had one foot in front and the other behind the line for the third penalty - I thought under the new laws one had to be on line not behind? You see the refs making a show of telling them to be on their line.
ReplyDeleteAfter having rewatched the RC incident, in my opinion absolutely correct by VAR to support referee, indeed there are elements for a possible RC.
ReplyDeleteI think, still not 100% clear, but Oliver can't be penalized too much. Live it looked even worse. So, OK for me.
Couldnt he have given yellow....and had VAR review for possible red....seems in sports today...nba,nhl this is the best way given all the angles...get the call 100% right.....then he may have had the chance to see iy slowly
ReplyDeleteThis would lead to supportable cautions, but preferable RCs to be given as YC only. The referee should always give what they see infront of them, the delay of VAR and the perception of it re-refereeing the game would make this scenario more unpopular than just a tough onfield decision
DeleteI finally got to see the play for me RC is the correct decision
DeleteIt seems, as if I'm in a minority, but I think, theoretically, Oliver took the correct decision , when assessing this tackle as SFP. The SUI player jumps into the duel with a high risk and both feet slightly above the ground. He hits the opponent with 'open studs' and parallel legs - thanks god, it's not a full hit, which could have caused serious injuries. The SUI player insofar endangered the health of his opponent and hazarded the consequences of his potentially dangerous tackle.
ReplyDeleteApparently, it's clear that the 'football world' (both refereeing and non-refereeing people) don't agree with that decision. Expectability is an important factor, when taking such decisions, which are potentially game decisive.
I tend towards a YC, but would support Oliver in the decision, so the VAR team was completely right in staying in the background here for my taste.
I agree for largely the same reasons. A lot of people say there was no studs contact - I’m not convinced that there is no contact with the studs, honestly. I see it as a ‘borderline’ in UEFA parlance - RC certainly supportable, and VAR right to stay out of it.
DeleteIMO, the RC is supportable. I would have given a YC, but when I saw that live I immediately knew that VAR would not intervene. Apart from that, good performance in an extremely easy match.
ReplyDeleteI think Oliver lost it a bit today - he let the game heat up too much at the start of the 2H, unlike his GS games, he didn't use his cards proficiently.
ReplyDeleteI disagree with the consensus about the RC though - in my view, it is a correct decision.
1) Freuler jumps / lunges in; this would have been Oliver's live perception too
2) dangerous studs AND trapping contact as this video shows:
https://streamable.com/m1hjb8
Oliver can keep it this way, but he should not wonder why the top games are not coming his way...
DeleteInteresting you think that. I’ve always thought there was something missing with Oliver at UEFA level (unlike Taylor). Just doesn’t quite sell himself, ‘look the part’ - something can’t quite describe. But in this tournament, I feel he’s come across as calm, strong, accepted. I had no sense of him losing the game - if anything, he’s been quicker to whistle and give fouls than others, when needed, to calm the tempo. Exactly what Bruch needed for ten minutes in BEL game.
DeleteWe surely need refs to be brave and to give what they genuinely think is the right decision at the time (ground level, speed and intensity) and not second guess about what they can ‘get away with’.
Sorry, but Brych’s match, the most challenging game in the tournament, can hardly be compared to the 3 Oliver games which all weren’t challenging from the beginning.
DeleteThen I also don’t share what “we” need according to you. IMO “we” need sensible referees understanding football and not referees “bravely” pulling out red cards when it slightly smells like a red card offence.
Keep cool anonymous - I think you may be misunderstanding what I was saying.
DeleteFirstly, I really like Brych, but it could be argued Brych made it more challenging by letting too much go, not controlling the tempo and not changing style (stronger body language) at the key time.
I’m not talking about rushing out a RC as soon as something smells like a RC - no one wants that surely. But referees have to feel confident to give a RC when they think it’s deserved, without being worried in back of mind about perception or seeming harsh). Just give what you see.
I watched the situation from different perspectives again and... No. It's a clear YC, nothing else and VAR should at least ask him to overlook that scene in the monitor! Crucial mistake, rest of the game was OK.
ReplyDeleterepeating my posting which came too late yesterday: I know from experience (being 'Rosetti' in another sport) that when one gets to final stages of an event, it becomes a dilemma for the assignments (generally and for specific games): should I go with less experienced referees who have shown great form in this event, or should I go with very experienced referees who have been great in the past but have made some unusual mistake(s) this time? If a game gets mediocre refereeing, the teams may say "at least they gave us a top referee"; but if they got a newer referee they will say "why did they decide to experiment in our game? I think UEFA/Rosetti has had a good balance this time, giving chances to Vincic, Oliver, Karasev, Siebert beyond what was expected. In cases like Brych and Kuipers who have rescued UEFA (and FIFA) on many occasions in the past, I think they are right in not throwing them out in an inhumane way; the QF jobs tomorrow are OK and if Kuipers does fine, then he could get more; by contrast I think Brych's stumbles this time means QF should be the end; I am very happy to see Cakir back in form so I support him!
ReplyDeleteand then I add, almost as a 'provocation': Oliver deserved this appointment, and he has his PL/UEFA experience; but he is not a veteran like Brych, Kuipers, Cakir or Orsato; do we think that one of them would have been equally quick/ready to pull the red card???
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DeleteGood post, and regarding your second comment that could also be applied to the Buffon incident where he rightly brought out the RC - would those others you mention have done that or backtracked like Lahoz?
DeleteThat's why Oliver will develop into a much better referee than Brych and Kuipers.
DeleteQuite the contrary Anonymous 23:25. Oliver seems to lack the qualities of learning from past experiences. After the infamous penalty and red card decision in the R.Madrid - Juventus match, after that he hardly was appointed for any top clashes in Uefa anymore, today another to harsh, unsensible red card decision. I fear Uefa will not trust Oliver again with a crucial game any time soon…
DeleteExcellent post, and I think one possible answer lies in "regression to the mean" - a usually great referee who delivers a subpar performance will likely regress to his usual form in the next game, thus delivering a great performance; whilst a mediocre referee who had an excellent performance will likely return to his mediocre form in the next game. Classic behavioral economics
Delete3 years after Real - Juventus and another decision (possibly correct by the letter) that does not fit the occasion. If Oliver wants to be remembered as a referee who strictly applied the LOTG, he should continue this way. However, if he wants to get important finals or semi-finals, he needs to look at Rizzoli. The top matches will (almost) never go to by-the-book referees.
DeleteI genuinely don’t think he’s a ‘by the book’ referee. He simply thought it was a RC and gave a RC. He has not made up a phantom decision - it’s clear why he thought it was a RC.
DeleteI like the new emphasis on avoiding cheap YC - too many aren’t needed and avoidable - but the danger is we’re going to have a generation of elite referees agonising and second-guessing over every decision which is never good for refs in the middle of a top game.
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