Referee appointments for 2021-22 FIFA WC European Qualifiers, Matchday 10, games to be played on 15 November 2021.
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| István Kovács in Northern Ireland - Italy |
Group C
20:45 CET - Belfast (Windsor Park)
NORTHERN IRELAND - ITALY
Referee: István Kovács (ROU)
Assistant Referee 1: Vasile Florin Marinescu (ROU)
Assistant Referee 2: Mihai Ovidiu Artene (ROU)
Fourth Official: Horațiu Mircea Feșnic (ROU)
Video Assistant Referee: Bastian Dankert (GER)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Mike Pickel (GER)
Group C
20:45 CET - Luzern (Luzern Arena)
SWITZERLAND - BULGARIA
Referee: Benoît Bastien (FRA)
Assistant Referee 1: Aurélien Berthomieu (FRA)
Assistant Referee 2: Aurélien Drouet (FRA)
Fourth Official: Florent Batta (FRA)
Group F
20:45 CET - Netanya (Netanya Stadium)
ISRAEL - FAROE ISLANDS
Referee: Jérôme Brisard (FRA)
Assistant Referee 1: Benjamin Pages (FRA)
Assistant Referee 2: Guillaume Debart (FRA)
Fourth Official: Mikaël Lesage (FRA)
Group F
20:45 CET - Glasgow (Hampden Park)
SCOTLAND - DENMARK
Referee: Alejandro Hernández (ESP)
Assistant Referee 1: José Naranjo (ESP)
Assistant Referee 2: Teodoro Sobrino (ESP)
Fourth Official: José María Sánchez (ESP)
Group F
20:45 CET - Klagenfurt (Wörthersee Stadion)
AUSTRIA - MOLDOVA
Referee: Aleksandar Stavrev (MKD)
Assistant Referee 1: Dejan Kostadinov (MKD)
Assistant Referee 2: Goce Petreski (MKD)
Fourth Official: Dejan Jakimovski (MKD)
Group I
20:45 CET - Serravalle (San Marino Stadium)
SAN MARINO - ENGLAND
Referee: Rade Obrenovič (SVN)
Assistant Referee 1: Grega Kordež (SVN)
Assistant Referee 2: Aleksandar Kasapovič (SVN)
Fourth Official: Asmir Sagrković (SVN)
Group I
20:45 CET - Tirana (Arena Kombëtare)
ALBANIA - ANDORRA
Referee: Andris Treimanis (LVA)
Assistant Referee 1: Haralds Gudermanis (LVA)
Assistant Referee 2: Aleksejs Spasjoņņikovs (LVA)
Fourth Official: Aleksandrs Golubevs (LVA)
Group I
20:45 CET - Warsaw (Stadion Narodowy)
POLAND - HUNGARY
Referee: Tiago Martins (POR)
Assistant Referee 1: Luis Campos (POR)
Assistant Referee 2: Pedro Almeida (POR)
Fourth Official: Helder Malheiro (POR)
FIFA Referee Assessor: Robert Sedlacek (AUT)
FIFA Match Commissioner: Loukas Siotropos (GRE)
20:45 CET - Luzern (Luzern Arena)
SWITZERLAND - BULGARIA
Referee: Benoît Bastien (FRA)
Assistant Referee 1: Aurélien Berthomieu (FRA)
Assistant Referee 2: Aurélien Drouet (FRA)
Fourth Official: Florent Batta (FRA)
Video Assistant Referee: Benoît Millot (FRA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Amaury Delerue (FRA)
FIFA Referee Assessor: Konrad Plautz (AUT)
FIFA Match Commissioner: Andrew Shaw (ENG)
20:45 CET - Netanya (Netanya Stadium)
ISRAEL - FAROE ISLANDS
Referee: Jérôme Brisard (FRA)
Assistant Referee 1: Benjamin Pages (FRA)
Assistant Referee 2: Guillaume Debart (FRA)
Fourth Official: Mikaël Lesage (FRA)
Video Assistant Referee: Stéphanie Frappart (FRA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Mikael Berchebru (FRA)
FIFA Referee Assessor: Zbigniew Przesmycki (POL)
FIFA Match Commissioner: Vilmos Szabó (HUN)
20:45 CET - Glasgow (Hampden Park)
SCOTLAND - DENMARK
Referee: Alejandro Hernández (ESP)
Assistant Referee 1: José Naranjo (ESP)
Assistant Referee 2: Teodoro Sobrino (ESP)
Fourth Official: José María Sánchez (ESP)
Video Assistant Referee: Juan Martínez Munuera (ESP)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Jesús Gil Manzano (ESP)
FIFA Referee Assessor: Alexandru Deaconu (ROU)
FIFA Match Commissioner: Johny Vanspauwen (BEL)
20:45 CET - Klagenfurt (Wörthersee Stadion)
AUSTRIA - MOLDOVA
Referee: Aleksandar Stavrev (MKD)
Assistant Referee 1: Dejan Kostadinov (MKD)
Assistant Referee 2: Goce Petreski (MKD)
Fourth Official: Dejan Jakimovski (MKD)
Video Assistant Referee: Mete Kalkavan (TUR)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Abdulkadir Bitigen (TUR)
FIFA Referee Assessor: Michal Beneš (CZE)
FIFA Match Commissioner: Danijel Jošt (SVN)
20:45 CET - Serravalle (San Marino Stadium)
SAN MARINO - ENGLAND
Referee: Rade Obrenovič (SVN)
Assistant Referee 1: Grega Kordež (SVN)
Assistant Referee 2: Aleksandar Kasapovič (SVN)
Fourth Official: Asmir Sagrković (SVN)
Video Assistant Referee: Slavko Vinčić (SVN)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Jure Praprotnik (SVN)
FIFA Referee Assessor: Haim Jakov (ISR)
FIFA Match Commissioner: Arturs Gaidels (LVA)
20:45 CET - Tirana (Arena Kombëtare)
ALBANIA - ANDORRA
Referee: Andris Treimanis (LVA)
Assistant Referee 1: Haralds Gudermanis (LVA)
Assistant Referee 2: Aleksejs Spasjoņņikovs (LVA)
Fourth Official: Aleksandrs Golubevs (LVA)
Video Assistant Referee: Lawrence Visser (BEL)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Erik Lambrechts (BEL)
FIFA Referee Assessor: Orhan Erdemir (TUR)
FIFA Match Commissioner: Nikoloz Jgarkava (GEO)
20:45 CET - Warsaw (Stadion Narodowy)
POLAND - HUNGARY
Referee: Tiago Martins (POR)
Assistant Referee 1: Luis Campos (POR)
Assistant Referee 2: Pedro Almeida (POR)
Fourth Official: Helder Malheiro (POR)
Video Assistant Referee: João Pinheiro (POR)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Vitor Ferreira (POR)
FIFA Referee Assessor: Miroslav Tulinger (CZE)
FIFA Match Commissioner: Peadar Ryan (IRL)
First a poor appointment (regarding his recent performances) for Jug in LIE-ROU and now Vincic "only" VAR in SMR-ENG. Any thoughts?
ReplyDeleteAbout Vincic, we should mention that he had a game in October, Switzerland - Northern Ireland, so maybe it was possible not to get a game on this set. Nevertheless, I think that in case of very good performances before, he could have got a very important game. We must mention again that early second YC, we can't know how committee assessed it. The appointment as VAR shouldn't be considered as a "demotion" because I think that when UEFA doesn't ask directly for a name, the national federation is free to appoint in that role, so I would say the normality to see him here, no matter game is SMR - ENG. A very good appointment for Obrenovic, of course.
DeleteAbout Jug, absolutely true that he has been extremely good in recent times, I watched him in Galatasaray - Lazio some weeks ago and indeed a more than positive impression. He could have got more in this last round, but for sure an appointment is better than nothing! I really think that if he continues in this way he can get again important games in future. Certainly the age doesn't speak so much in favor of a promotion and I'm really sorry for that, when he was in focus by committee, many years ago, he didn't offer such good performances!
Generally it is now a very good time to be a slovenian referee, because they have certain advantages in terms of sport policy.
DeleteAnd what would those "certain advantages" and "sport policy" be?
DeleteMelker: everyone at UEFA arbitration knows the opposite is correct......
Delete@ Sale: For example: I am convinced that a referee from finland, cyprus or maybe malta would no longer be a referee in the Elite after an arrest. (https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/11744985/referee-slavko-vincic-released-drugs-prostitution/amp/)
DeleteThis is a slander (again). Everyone is innocent until proven guilty, you should know that. Vincic was cleared of any suspicion against him. It is a criminal act to accuse someone of a crime he didn't commit. Do you have anything else to say to support your claim?
DeletePartially true, but that's only because a referee from Cyprus or Malta wouldn't have a committee member protecting him.
DeleteWhat has a committee member to do with police investigation and judicial system? If Vincic wouldn't have been "protected" in his presumption of innocence, I would sue UEFA if I were him. Remember that Aleksander Ceferin was one of the top criminal attorneys in Slovenia before becoming UEFA president. And he would protect any referee in such matters, even from Andorra or Faroe islands (with all due respect). Obviously you have nothing to say except slander and nonsense, so I'm done replying to you.
DeleteI've been following Jug during his entire career, especially domestically. In my view he had two or three major problems until recently: inconsistent performances, a lot of controversies and an attitude which was more arrogant than authoritative (even though I prefer strict referees). It seems that he has finally "matured" in all the fields mentioned above - I agree that it is a shame to have happened a bit "too late" speaking in terms of his international career.
ReplyDeleteFirst of all, I'd like to express disappointment at the qualitative level of comments yesterday evening; I was not able to view the blog until now, and if I had, a number of deletions would have been made. Thanks Sale and Flip among others for being bastions of common-sense in their presence.
ReplyDeleteNow - without taking notes or anything, my general impressions from the games which I watched yesterday.
Makkelie:
I think this game will have its own Wikipedia page one day! A real epic and as said yesterday, it was a refereeing masterclass from the Dutchman. The depth of Makkelie's game feeling was just immense - chapeau.
Massa:
I thought the Italian 1st cat performed well in a difficult setting. In some moments, he could have been a little bit smarter / more preventative, but in general he issued cards for the actions that merited them, and managed to keep a lid on a game that could have boiled over. Good job - a very good step on a potential road to Elite for him.
Orsato:
Wow, what a game! Personally, I liked his play on call for Portugal's early goal - the 'easy' option was to blow up for a freekick, but the Italian Elite took the decision which he thought was right, come what may (I am sure that smala would, like me, appriciate this decision! :))
The first fifteen minutes were a war between ultra-edgy players, and Orsato simply applied the laws and took control of the match with his considerable personality skills - EXCELLENT. After that, the Italian still performed on a high level, but technical accuracy was not TOP top. No doubt though - a very (very) good performance IMO.
Brych:
Unlike the other games, this one was not so demanding for the legendary German ref. His foul recognition was strong this time, and he used his cards well (VMOs quietly corrected an MI case at the end). Very secure performance - a classic strong 8,4 showing.
The only general criticism I'd like to make is re. management of additional time - all four officials failed in that regard yesterday!
In the bigger picture, UEFA should be very pleased with how an epic day of international football was controlled by their officials, well done!
Always a pleasure to read your analyses!
Delete100% agree with your comments regarding the Quality of comments.
We have the confirmation that when VAR is used for mistaken identity, referees are used to hear from them without making the gesture like the other cases (RC, Penalty, offside), despite of the fact that protocol says the contrary. This is because mistaken identity is a very important mistake and it is better to "hide" it.
DeleteSo... We are slightly starting to realize that VAR actually violates its own protocol? OK. Next step is to realize that it happens not only in the cases of a mistaken identity
DeleteCüneyt Çakir was not appointed in this round, I found out that the father of his assistent Tarik Ongun died so maybe that is an explication of the absence of the Turkish crew.
ReplyDeleteLIE - ROU OFR and penalty for handball.
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https://streamable.com/u05hq5
A very agitated Jug he stopped the game and he put himself in the spotlights by holding the ball while communicating with VAR.
This should be definitely avoided, referee must stop the game when already sure that he will go to make an OFR.
Then, in addition, this ball, he didn't know what to do, when having to make VAR gestures, putting down it and then picking up again... more than weird to be honest, for some reasons he didn't look at ease with VAR.
Having said that, absolutely correct penalty and good spot by VAR.
Well, 2 things are important here.
Delete1) it was completely unnecessary IMO in this situation that Jug holds the ball in hands all the time. He could have simply come near the position where the ball was when he stopped the game. Even official VAR gesture demands 2 hands...
2)Repeatedly I saw a comment that VAR should only suggest stopping the game if everything is ready for OFR. That is not the case, it is advisable to stop the game in neutral situation and avoid goal, pk or some other situation in the meantime. Then, if VAR room needs a little time to prepare the best picture/replay should not be a problem. They probably saw the handball offense clearly so they told Jug to stop and needed some time to process the footage, all according to the rules IMO.
You're simply wrong on #2. This is not "advisable." It is actually contrary to everything that is instructed about VAR. This isn't a case where people get to have an opinion. It's quite literally not how VAR is supposed to work.
Deletehttps://www.theifab.com/laws/latest/video-assistant-referee-var-protocol/#procedures
The reference to a "neutral zone" applies only when a REVIEW is recommended by the VAR. There's no clause about stopping play to allow a check to conclude. Indeed, we want the majority of checks to be silent and, when they occur during dynamic play, they are. We don't want VAR creating more unnecessary stoppages and slowing the game down. That was one of the fears about VAR, which is why the system was created as it was. Otherwise, we'd simply stop play after every penalty appeal, wait for the VAR to make his assessment, and then either proceed to a dropped ball or an OFR.
I'm sorry, but I'm shocked both by what Taylor and Jug have done in the past couple days and by the fact that some here don't seem to understand why it is objectively wrong. It leads to more stoppages, it allows more dissent, it will fuel fan anger when there isn't an OFR and it's quite literally against what is written into the VAR protocols.
@usaref
DeleteOk, dont you think that, just MAYBE, international referees at high level know what they are doing?
And also about your argument, I would argue that there is nothing worse (I wanted to put it in capital letters, but managed to resist) than the situation where the goal (or even a pk) is annuled because of the pk or RC situation for other team, that happened 3-5 minutes ago. If something destroys the emotion of the game, it is when one team is told while celebrating that a goal is not valid and they face a pk on their side. And also a very practical reason: in the meantime you could have potentially 2-3 crucial situations, also live watching... complete mess. But anyway, what I claimed is that there is a possible period between VAR room concluding that it is going to be OFR and a final footage shown to the referee. Maybe a techical difficulty, angles... If that is the case, would you still prefer letting the game continue, with unnecessary risk, pointless waste of energy and effort from everyone, just to have impression of something happening?
@Forlan, no, I don't. Taylor and Jug were both unequivocally wrong in what they did.
DeleteI don't think enough people have taken VAR instruction seriously. We have certainly seen that in England. I know less about Jug and Slovenia, but how often does he get to use it?
This is an entire system of officiating that has been implemented into the game in the last 5 years, with most referees (outside the biggest leagues) really only having a practical use for it in a consistent fashion in the last 2 years. This isn't something where a referee says "oh, I've been doing this for 20 years, I know what I'm doing."
This is something that has to be learned and applied. It is a new skill. And it is quite clear that some referees, associations, and competitions are taking it less seriously than others.
As to your arguments... c'mon. They are both wrong.
First, 3-5 minutes ago? If a VAR cannot perform a check and recommend a review before 3 minutes elapse (and, by the way, the ball stays in play for all 3 of those minutes!) then it's not a clear and obvious error. There is no scenario where play is going on for 3-5 minutes while there is a VAR check. And, even if there was, what are you arguing for? That the referee stop play and simply wait until the VAR is ready?
As to your second argument, again, I suspect you don't quite comprehend what you're saying. I'll ask bluntly: have you been in a VOR and/or received instruction as a VAR? In PRO/MLS, the most important thing is getting to the point you recommend a review. Once a VAR says "I recommend a review..." the referee makes the signal and then begins running/jogging to the screen (an aside: the number of referees that still walk to the screeen is infuriating). Anyway, while the referee is in transit, the VAR is picking the correct angles to show and the AVAR is making sure the APP is clean, if that's relevant. In fact, a lot of MLS referees are competent enough to be telling the VAR (and VRO) which angles THEY want to see as they are running to the screen.
The point is that there is absolutely no reason for a delay where the referee is standing in the middle of the field and all the players are just waiting around. If it's a question of choosing the best angle for the VAR output, that can be done in the time it takes for the referee to run to the RRA. So your second argument is a total red herring. Once the VAR concludes that he will recommend an OFR, if the ball is in play he waits until it is in a neutral zone, says "STOP THE GAME," and then says "I recommend a review..." There is no need for downtime like we saw with Jug and Taylor--it's a false theory.
Maybe MLS is "fast and furious" like American mentality in general, I have to say I dont have a slightest idea about it. If you wanted a normal discussion, I could give you examples from English Premierleague and other leagues so you can see that what I said is very bad happens more often than expected. But since your comments want to proove you are right and someone else wrong, why bother...
DeleteWhat I do know that in VAR protocol it states multiple times that precision is the most important and not the speed. And I wonder if you can actually find bases for your claims in the protocol. I read carefully and found multiple phrases and formulations indicating possible communication after the game is stopped. It is absolutely not true that they cannot communicate and the first and only thing that VAR can say is "I recommend a review".
As of your suggestion (referee already walking and Var managing the image), I actually think it is worth trying maybe, but the general practice in Europe, as far as I know, is always having final footage at the moment of inviting the referee to watch.
And lastly, you are not very polite. With all due respect, I believe my comments tend to be constructive and I watch my tone. The same cant be said for your way of commenting my comments. If you are an authority in the field (VAR instructor for MLS for example), then I am glad we have someone like you on the blog. But even in that case, if you dont want to write your name and surname, nothing gives you right to be disrespectful towards other people.
When did we enter a world where when someone is told they are wrong, their response is to say the other person is impolite?
DeleteI believe you are wrong. In fact, I'm sure of it. That doesn't make me impolite. I think I'm being perfectly civil and polite in my language. If you believe you are correct and have counter-evidence, then present it forcefully. That's what a robust debate is about. That's how humans get to the truth. But I abhor this phenomenon where everyone's opinion is supposed to be of equal value and people get hurt feelings when someone disagrees or says they are wrong.
I'm also speaking from experience here, which is why I asked you about your experience with a VOR. I think that is relevant here. I have been forceful because I am confident in my position, but I don't think I have been disrespectful. I have engaged on the subject matter and haven't resorted to name calling or the like. If I didn't respect you as a contributor, I wouldn't be engaging with you.
As to your points...
I don't know what you mean regarding MLS. There's no fast and furious component here; it's all quite deliberate. You're either not understanding me or choosing to twist my words. The process in the VOR is deliberative but the entire point of the VOR and VAR is to get to a recommendation as soon as possible. There's no time limit but once the VAR decides he is making a recommendation, then he uses those words. That's not an MLS phenomenon--those are best practices globally. Go look at some of the footage from Australia and the Netherlands that is online. That's how it works. You're confusing VAR outputs and angle selection with the actual decision. The entire threshold for a check to be escalated to a review is for the VAR to determine there was a clear error (or a missed incident). Once you get there, you tell the referee and he starts moving to the RRA (either after he stops the game or, more usually, from the delayed restart that he is holding up). As I said above, everything from a technical standpoint then gets sorted out while the referee is in transit. I'll say it again: there is absolutely no need to stop the game, wait for technical aspects of the review, and then initiate the review.
As to your second paragraph, you are making things up that I didn't say. At no point did I say "they cannot communicate..." before recommending a review. You are talking about politeness while putting words in my mouth. Of course they can communicate. Again, I speak from experience. There is a TON of communication before "I recommend a review" in most instances. What I said was that "I recommend a review" is the magic phrase to start the OFR. That's when the referee makes the TV signal. It's also when, if dynamic play is going on, the referee stops play. That's what this entire debate is about. Dialogue and checks go on all the time when the ball is already out of play and the restart is delayed. Dialogue can also occur during dynamic play. But there is no provision for stopping play to allow a check to be completed, which is what Taylor and Jug did. It is wrong.
As to your third paragraph, I believe we have already addressed this but I want to point out this isn't my suggestion. This is how it is supposed to work at the FIFA level on downward. I have noticed the EPL is very bad at this, which is why the EPL shouldn't be used as an example. But if you are right that UEFA competitions and the "general practice in Europe" is for a VAR to have final footage teed up before recommending the review, that is a huge problem.
Forlan you ate actually so wrong about the VAR protocols in the Premier League or anywhere else, you cannot see a referee stopping play just to get advice from the VAR, it has never happened in any too league before so what Jug and a Taylor did is absolutely unprecedented and wrong, it is completely against protocol and not inline with the game, it was a mistake from both of them and really there is no argument in favor of it. You talk about precision and not speed, that was directed at when a referee is reviewing a footage at an OFR, he is allowed to take up as much time as he needs to get the decision right but that doesn’t imply when a game is going on then the referee has to stop play to get advice on maybe an OFR should occur or not?? Then what happens if it is not now recommended for OFR??? We get to see a lot of dropped ball?? Lol, the current protocol is perfect as it is, game is in play until stated otherwise, if a goal is scored or penalty is awarded and then what happens 10 seconds ago takes that away, well that is collateral damage but how many times do we see that??? To put into context that fact, in the Premier league only 3 times has a goal or penalty been awarded and then it subsequently rescinded for a penalty in the other penalty area since the implementation of VAR in the Premier league!! Only 3 Times!!! That is a number that supports the normal var protocol that we have now because it hardly ever happens that one action that happened 20 seconds ago will rule out a penalty or goal in the other penalty area..
DeleteWell, initially I thought like usaref that this procedure is against protocol. Actually, I still think it is.
DeleteHowever, I was just thinking about what Patrick Ittrich, German Bundesliga referee, recently said in his podcast.
There he describes a very controversial no penalty decision (recent augsburg - stuttgart game) from his perspective and explains why there was no VAR intervention. And there he says that it is very important that before a VAR intervention the perception of the referee is asked and only if this is in a clear contradiction to the TV images, the VAR should intervene (and that was not the case in this game, because he had perceived the contact, but from his perception the fouled player fell too easily).
To come back to this discussion: Now, if it is so important that the referee gives a detailed description of his perception (though the discussion in this blog gives me the impression that this is mostly practiced in Germany that way), I think this communication should not happen while dynamic play is ongoing.
With that in mind, it can make perfect sense to stop the game to match perceptions (not that I think that happened with Taylor and Jug). And if you catch a good moment for the stoppage, the game can even continue without any advantage or disadvantage for a team.
@Chiagozie
DeleteOk, maybe I wasnt clear at first. I didnt mean that, for a silent check to happen, the game needs to or should be stopped, that would be so wrong and ridiculous!
What I wanted to say is that, given that we dont really know what happened there in communication, I wouldnt judge so easily. And a common sense would be in my opinion, to try to stop the game ASAP once that VAR is reasonably sure it is an OFR material. Maybe they made a blatant mistake and stopped the game only in order to make a decision later, could be.
@Malte M
DeleteThat was also one thing that came to my mind.
No matter how athletic referees are, they cant really talk about their impressions while running and watching the game.
@usaref,
DeleteJust 2 days ago you are again very aagitated and far from polite when you were saying that it is impossible to exist an informal communication between VAR and the referee on the pitch. Now you are saying "There is a TON of communication before "I recommend a review" in most instances". Also you were claiming that everything that is happening in the VAR room is recorded which is also completely not true. As I had experince only in my country I decided to ask collegues from other countries and from everywhere I had the same answer - that the only records that they keep are from the official VAR reviews. From all I see from your behaviour I can make a conclusion for myself that you are obviously so far from reality that it is useles to have a discussion with you. So from now on I will restrict myself from paying attention to your comments.
Regarding ESP - SWE in my opinion what Ibrahimovic did, should have been spotted by VAR and punished with a RC, I really don't understand the need of such stupid action.
ReplyDeletehttps://twitter.com/SkySportsNews/status/1460236330168901642
Clear RC, very ugly behaviour by Ibrahimovic.
DeleteThe question is, whether the VAR can be 100% sure, that this was intentional.
DeleteE.g. in the last replay it seems possible, that he genuinely stumbles over the foot of SWE#7 - and maybe there were better angles to support something like that.
My opinion is clear RC.
DeleteJust an observation, Bastien returns to Switzerland after his infamous performance in Young Boys - CFR Cluj last years EL Group Stage.
ReplyDeleteWishing him a good and well balanced performance this time!
Penalty awarded to England against San Marino. Good spot by the VAR as didn't see it real time myself.
ReplyDeleteExcellent spot by Vincic:
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Live, it looked just a raised arm but without any contact with ball...
Clip of penalty awarded after ofr
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OFR in Israeal - Faroe Islands:
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In this case, the position of arm is the only reason for calling OFR.
Player is not looking at the ball and he can't have any idea where it will go. This sounds like a typical Italian handball penalty, I guess in other countries there would be reasons for playing on :)
French officials decided to punish it, in my opinion in such situations OFR is always correct because you have something factual and missed by referee.
As you guessed, rather wrong in my opinion.
DeleteThe arm movement seems to be part of his overall movement at that time, he did the very same already before - when surely no ball was expected to get there.
Indeed a missed incident, so the VAR should recommend a review, if she thinks, penalty is the better decision.
Very boring first half in Belfast, almost nothing to do for Kovacs, just a correct YC at the beginning for a clear SPA, player not interested in the ball, but just pushing down opponent.
ReplyDeletePenalty awarded to Israel against FRO, spotted by VAR. For me it is a wrong call, arm is in natrual possision in the players movement...
ReplyDeleteTiago Martins is OK in the first half. I dont understand he whistled two reckless foul but he didnt show card, just wait wait wait and show yellow… In lower league this manner is unacceptable.
ReplyDeleteSecond penalty by Obrenovic, I think whistled directly by him, very good spot, not a natural position of the arm and increased body's volume:
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England goal number 9 disallowed for a foul. Harsh. Think he was going more for the ball than the man.
ReplyDeleteSUI - BUL, I'm not watching the game, but a couple of goals has been disallowed by VAR, and now VAR still in action. Very busy game for Millot in Luzern.
ReplyDeleteI found only the one in 64' for offside. Were there more?
Delete8 cards already in not so much important match.
ReplyDeleteIs match played that dirty?
How many OFR for Obrebovic??? For a supposedly easy game, it is ridiculous!!
ReplyDeleteAn answer to your question that can go beyond the "quality" of referee involved, many actions, attacks from 1' to 90', so by far more chances to see incidents like handballs, fouls and so on happening. About 10 goals scored...
DeleteI strongly disagree here!!!! Ivana Marrincic had similar game that ended 9-0 and not for Obrenivic comes close!!! A one sided match is the Easiest match to Officiate and that’s why Committe appointments for such matches are usually very low profile referees or upcoming and rightly so but Obrenovic and his team are making a meal of it. On OFR I can understand but 3!! In this kind of match??? As his observer how can I be confident in giving him a bigger match than this ????
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ReplyDeleteSecond YC by Obrenovic for SPA. Maybe the contact is not so much clear but overall perception says foul in my opinion.
It's a very clear foul, see the leg contact. Correct 2YC.
DeleteI agree with Quilava
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Deleteclear foul, no room for discussion ;)
Penalty whistled by Treimanis:
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IMO very soft. I don't like this kind of penalties
DeleteThat's why Treimanis couldn't be great referee... Despite their high level of referee training, they still give such a comedy penalties. It's really sad!
DeleteTypical body contact rather than a foul. IMO wrong decision
DeletePossible contact in the foot that we do not see here?
DeleteI strongly disagree here!!!! Ivana Marrincic had similar game that ended 9-0 and not for Obrenivic comes close!!! A one sided match is the Easiest match to Officiate and that’s why Committe appointments for such matches are usually very low profile referees or upcoming and rightly so but Obrenovic and his team are making a meal of it. On OFR I can understand but 3!! In this kind of match??? As his observer how can I be confident in giving him a bigger match than this ????
ReplyDeleteWhich 3 OFR you mean ? Can you mention minutes please?
Delete8 additional minutes given by Bastien! Are they really necessary? The situation in group it's already clear. He has no mercy for the Bulgarian players.
ReplyDeleteThe situation wasn‘t clear when the added time was presented because Italy could theoretically have scored after that the goal difference would have become crucial
DeleteWell considering that game was by fare more stopped for VAR controls than really played, Bastien was absolutely correct. He couldn't know about the final score in Belfat, but even in case, he could never close the game without additional time.
DeleteObviously he is not wrong with anything but I mean, Switzerland`s staff started the celebration from 91'. This is why I think 4-5 minutes would have been more than enough. I`m aware that every goal was important but I`m sure that he knew the score in Belfast when he gave the additional minutes. But again, he did nothing wrong, for sure.
DeleteI watched NIR-ITA and I can't report pretty much. Very few events in this match. I`d say good management by Kovacs thought. I just want to say that I would have preferred the red kit instead of the black one because Italy`s players had black shorts and Northern Ireland`s kit was dark green.
ReplyDeleteThe entire 90 mins Tiago Martins was really consistent and the control of the game was never in danger. Silly, reckless challenges from both teams, players already knew it when they committed the offense, that they deserve the YC.
ReplyDeleteEven though it was not an important game, both teams were very combative. I think solid performance and no need for VAR at all. 8,4-8,5 area. I was actually very impressed by his performance.
An expected level performance by Kovacs in a game that was never challenging and by far below expectations, a shocking performance by Italian national team, deserving to go to play-offs.
ReplyDeleteIn this context, Kovacs did well, this game had a big importance, so I think maybe a chance for him to consider this as starting point of the development to an higher Elite level, we know that so far he has been used as "Low Elite" referee, now I think he could start to get more. Committee needs more options for top games!
In this regard, I'm already thinking to play-offs and Italy's game.
We have not so many options, unless committee will appoint again Taylor, we have to rule out the retired names, Brych and Kuipers, then Cakir and Mateu Lahoz for the last play off against Sweden in 2017, then a few names remain among the very trusted Elite.
Turpin, Makkelie, Marciniak. The Dutch could meet again Italy after EURO game, I think at that time (March 2022) it will be possible, almost a year after the EURO, otherwise surely there aren't other options. Karasev could be criticized because referee of Nations League semifinals... I'm really curious, but definitely, too early to say more about that :)
The question is why should Italy receive special treatment. Also, don't understand why people reduce the options for some games to such a small number of names. If a referee belongs to Elite, then he must be able to whistle any match. This is of course how it should work. Politics must stay apart.
DeleteI agree, that one wrong decision against an Italian team must not mean, that you can't referee any Italian team for years.
DeleteRegarding the small number of names. While I agree, that appointments should be spread more equally among Elite referees, it would be weird, if someone, who doesn't get much trust in CL suddenly was appointed for an important play-off.
I think, the realistic candidates for the 9 play-offs are:
del Cerro Grande, Siebert, Hategan, Marciniak, Oliver, Turpin, Mateu, Karasev, Vincic, Taylor, Orsato, Makkelie
Less likely, but not a huge surprise:
Gil Manzano, Cakir, Kovacs, Soares Dias, Zwayer
Of course I agree, it would be great to see a different name, but I doubt committee will do that. In case it wont happen, we will know the reason. Many things can change in four months, that's another important aspect. Maybe we will have some Elite referees in a very good form, while I think it will be difficult to have "real new names" in a so short time for matches like play-offs. Also, I agree with all the mentioned names by Philipp, very reasonable choices, including the possible "surprises", but... I have to say something about a name: Siebert. For sure he will be Elite referee at that time, so fully entitled to get a play off, even more with his previous experience as Category 1, outstanding so far. However, for some reasons, I still think that it would be too early to appoint him for a very decisive game in that round, maybe a less sonorous semifinal could be OK, but, for example, if I have to think about Italy games and a German referee, for the big experience he has so far, in my opinion Zwayer would be the name... he is by far more experienced than Siebert. So this is my point, and maybe you as German, can understand what I mean.
DeleteIt will be very interesting to see.
Yes, I understand.
DeleteBut as Siebert clearly got the better games during this year, he also is the favourite regarding a play-off (and then the WC) over Zwayer, I think.
And he has the experience of a EURO, which Zwayer hasn't.
Of course, there are still games to be whistled for Siebert until March (starting with today's important one), so things could happen. But I think, that counts for all of the 12 favourites above (although Orsato and Makkelie might be more "intouchable" -in the sense that bad performances could endanger their status - than the others).
Just look at Kovacs' trajectory after Euro: lots of good appointments in UCL and WCQ, including a decider for Italy. He is 4 years younger than Hategan and they soon will swap positions within Elite.
DeleteHernandez was very good in quite a straightforward Scotland v Denmark game. Great call by AR2 for the 2nd Scottish goal
ReplyDeleteMarch Will be very hot. All of the teams in the play-off played in EURO2020. The matches in March Will be a small Europen Championship. Good Luck for Refs and Teams
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