UEFA Referees Committee has appointed the following officials to handle MD4 games of 2021-22 Europa Conference League group stage.
16:30 CET - Tallinn (Lilleküla Stadium)
FC Flora Tallinn (EST) - Anorthosis Famagusta FC (CYP) | Group B
Referee: Kári Á Høvdanum (FRO)
Assistant Referee 1: Andrew Christiansen (FRO)
Assistant Referee 2: Dan Petur Pauli Højgaard (FRO)
Fourth Official: Alex de Albuquerque Troleis (FRO)
UEFA Referee Observer: Igor Pristovnik (CRO)
UEFA Delegate: Kazimierz Oleszek (POL)
Assistant Referee 1: Andrew Christiansen (FRO)
Assistant Referee 2: Dan Petur Pauli Højgaard (FRO)
Fourth Official: Alex de Albuquerque Troleis (FRO)
UEFA Referee Observer: Igor Pristovnik (CRO)
UEFA Delegate: Kazimierz Oleszek (POL)
16:30 CET - Almaty (Almaty Ortalyk Stadion)
FC Kairat Almaty (KAZ) - FK Qarabağ Ağdam (AZE) | Group H
FC Kairat Almaty (KAZ) - FK Qarabağ Ağdam (AZE) | Group H
Referee: Dumitri Muntean (MDA)
Assistant Referee 1: Andrei Bodean (MDA)
Assistant Referee 2: Victor Mardari (MDA)
Fourth Official: Veaceslav Banari (MDA)
UEFA Referee Observer: Aleh Chykun (BLR)
UEFA Delegate: David Datunashvili (GEO)
Assistant Referee 1: Andrei Bodean (MDA)
Assistant Referee 2: Victor Mardari (MDA)
Fourth Official: Veaceslav Banari (MDA)
UEFA Referee Observer: Aleh Chykun (BLR)
UEFA Delegate: David Datunashvili (GEO)
18:45 CET - Tel Aviv (Bloomfield Stadium)
Maccabi Tel-Aviv FC (ISR) - HJK Helsinki (FIN) | Group A
Maccabi Tel-Aviv FC (ISR) - HJK Helsinki (FIN) | Group A
Referee: Rade Obrenovič (SVN)
Assistant Referee 1: Grega Kordež (SVN)
Assistant Referee 2: Robert Vukan (SVN)
Fourth Official: Dejan Balažič (SVN)
UEFA Referee Observer: Marián Ružbarský (SVK)
Assistant Referee 1: Grega Kordež (SVN)
Assistant Referee 2: Robert Vukan (SVN)
Fourth Official: Dejan Balažič (SVN)
UEFA Referee Observer: Marián Ružbarský (SVK)
UEFA Delegate: Róbert Kispál (HUN)
18:45 CET - Klagenfurt (Wörthersee Stadion)
LASK (AUT) - Alashkert FC (ARM) | Group A
LASK (AUT) - Alashkert FC (ARM) | Group A
Referee: Mohammed Al-Hakim (SWE)
Assistant Referee 1: Fredrik Klyver (SWE)
Assistant Referee 2: Max Robin Wilde (SWE)
Fourth Official: Granit Maqedonci (SWE)
UEFA Referee Observer: John Ward (IRL)
UEFA Delegate: Michel Schafroth (SUI)
Assistant Referee 1: Fredrik Klyver (SWE)
Assistant Referee 2: Max Robin Wilde (SWE)
Fourth Official: Granit Maqedonci (SWE)
UEFA Referee Observer: John Ward (IRL)
UEFA Delegate: Michel Schafroth (SUI)
18:45 CET - Gent (KAA Gent Stadium)
KAA Gent (BEL) - FK Partizan (SRB) | Group B
KAA Gent (BEL) - FK Partizan (SRB) | Group B
Referee: Christopher Kavanagh (ENG)
Assistant Referee 1: Daniel Cook (ENG)
Assistant Referee 2: Harry Lennard (ENG)
Fourth Official: Robert Jones (ENG)
UEFA Referee Observer: Erol Ersoy (TUR)
UEFA Delegate: Vitalii Danylchenko (UKR)
Assistant Referee 1: Daniel Cook (ENG)
Assistant Referee 2: Harry Lennard (ENG)
Fourth Official: Robert Jones (ENG)
UEFA Referee Observer: Erol Ersoy (TUR)
UEFA Delegate: Vitalii Danylchenko (UKR)
18:45 CET - Zaporizhzhya (Zaporizhzhya City Stadium)
FC Zorya Luhansk (UKR) - PFC CSKA-Sofia (BUL) | Group C
FC Zorya Luhansk (UKR) - PFC CSKA-Sofia (BUL) | Group C
Referee: Petri Viljanen (FIN)
Assistant Referee 1: Mika Lamppu (FIN)
Assistant Referee 2: Riku Vihreävuori (FIN)
Fourth Official: Mattias Gestranius (FIN)
UEFA Referee Observer: Guy Goethals (BEL)
UEFA Delegate: Amir Navon (ISR)
Assistant Referee 1: Mika Lamppu (FIN)
Assistant Referee 2: Riku Vihreävuori (FIN)
Fourth Official: Mattias Gestranius (FIN)
UEFA Referee Observer: Guy Goethals (BEL)
UEFA Delegate: Amir Navon (ISR)
18:45 CET - Randers (Randers Stadion)
Randers FC (DEN) - FK Jablonec (CZE)| Group D
Randers FC (DEN) - FK Jablonec (CZE)| Group D
Referee: Orel Grinfeeld (ISR)
Assistant Referee 1: Roy Hassan (ISR)
Assistant Referee 2: Idan Yarkoni (ISR)
Fourth Official: Gal Leibovitz (ISR)
UEFA Referee Observer: Jouni Hyytiä (FIN)
UEFA Delegate: Scilla Gennaro (ITA)
Assistant Referee 1: Roy Hassan (ISR)
Assistant Referee 2: Idan Yarkoni (ISR)
Fourth Official: Gal Leibovitz (ISR)
UEFA Referee Observer: Jouni Hyytiä (FIN)
UEFA Delegate: Scilla Gennaro (ITA)
18:45 CET - Alkmaar (AZ Stadion)
AZ Alkmaar (NED) - CFR 1907 Cluj (ROU) | Group D
AZ Alkmaar (NED) - CFR 1907 Cluj (ROU) | Group D
Referee: Alain Durieux (LUX)
Assistant Referee 1: Gilles François Becker (LUX)
Assistant Referee 2: Joaquim Da Silva (LUX)
Fourth Official: Laurent Kopriwa (LUX)
UEFA Referee Observer: Rusmir Mrković (BIH)
Assistant Referee 1: Gilles François Becker (LUX)
Assistant Referee 2: Joaquim Da Silva (LUX)
Fourth Official: Laurent Kopriwa (LUX)
UEFA Referee Observer: Rusmir Mrković (BIH)
UEFA Delegate: Michalis Mitas (CYP)
18:45 CET - Gibraltar (Victoria Stadium)
Lincoln Red Imps FC (GIB) - ŠK Slovan Bratislava (SVK) | Group F
Lincoln Red Imps FC (GIB) - ŠK Slovan Bratislava (SVK) | Group F
Referee: Kristoffer Karlsson (SWE)
Assistant Referee 1: Niklas Nyberg (SWE)
Assistant Referee 2: Daniel Yng (SWE)
Fourth Official: Kaspar Sjöberg (SWE)
UEFA Referee Observer: Stephen Lodge (ENG)
UEFA Delegate: Þórir Hákonarson (ISL)
Assistant Referee 1: Niklas Nyberg (SWE)
Assistant Referee 2: Daniel Yng (SWE)
Fourth Official: Kaspar Sjöberg (SWE)
UEFA Referee Observer: Stephen Lodge (ENG)
UEFA Delegate: Þórir Hákonarson (ISL)
18:45 CET - Nicosia (GSP)
Omonoia FC (CYP) - FC Basel 1893 (SUI) | Group H
Omonoia FC (CYP) - FC Basel 1893 (SUI) | Group H
Referee: Vitali Meshkov (RUS)
Assistant Referee 1: Dmitry Safyan (RUS)
Assistant Referee 2: Aleksei Lunev (RUS)
Fourth Official: Sergei Ivanov (RUS)
UEFA Referee Observer: Andrejs Sipailo (LVA)
UEFA Delegate: Łukasz Sojski (POL)
Assistant Referee 1: Dmitry Safyan (RUS)
Assistant Referee 2: Aleksei Lunev (RUS)
Fourth Official: Sergei Ivanov (RUS)
UEFA Referee Observer: Andrejs Sipailo (LVA)
UEFA Delegate: Łukasz Sojski (POL)
21:00 CET - Rome (Stadio Olimpico)
AS Roma (ITA) - FK Bodø/Glimt (NOR) | Group C
AS Roma (ITA) - FK Bodø/Glimt (NOR) | Group C
Referee: Anastasios Papapetrou (GRE)
Assistant Referee 1: Tryfon Petropoulos (GRE)
Assistant Referee 2: Iordanis Aptosoglou (GRE)
Fourth Official: Aristotelis Diamantopoulos (GRE)
UEFA Referee Observer: Iain Robertson Brines (SCO)
UEFA Delegate: Igor Radojičić (SRB)
Assistant Referee 1: Tryfon Petropoulos (GRE)
Assistant Referee 2: Iordanis Aptosoglou (GRE)
Fourth Official: Aristotelis Diamantopoulos (GRE)
UEFA Referee Observer: Iain Robertson Brines (SCO)
UEFA Delegate: Igor Radojičić (SRB)
21:00 CET - Berlin (Olympiastadion)
1. FC Union Berlin (GER) - Feyenoord (NED) | Group E
1. FC Union Berlin (GER) - Feyenoord (NED) | Group E
Referee: Daniel Stefanski (POL)
Assistant Referee 1: Michal Obukowicz (POL)
Assistant Referee 2: Krzysztof Myrmus (POL)
Fourth Official: Damian Sylwestrzak (POL)
UEFA Referee Observer: Edward Foley (IRL)
UEFA Delegate: Fernand Meese (BEL)
Assistant Referee 1: Michal Obukowicz (POL)
Assistant Referee 2: Krzysztof Myrmus (POL)
Fourth Official: Damian Sylwestrzak (POL)
UEFA Referee Observer: Edward Foley (IRL)
UEFA Delegate: Fernand Meese (BEL)
21:00 CET - Prague (Eden Arena)
SK Slavia Praha (CZE) - Maccabi Haifa FC (ISR) | Group E
SK Slavia Praha (CZE) - Maccabi Haifa FC (ISR) | Group E
Referee: Kai Erik Steen (NOR)
Assistant Referee 1: Jan Erik Engan (NOR)
Assistant Referee 2: Tom Harald Grønevik (NOR)
Fourth Official: Tore Hansen (NOR)
UEFA Referee Observer: Jan W. Wegereef (NED)
UEFA Delegate: Nikoloz Jgarkava (GEO)
Assistant Referee 1: Jan Erik Engan (NOR)
Assistant Referee 2: Tom Harald Grønevik (NOR)
Fourth Official: Tore Hansen (NOR)
UEFA Referee Observer: Jan W. Wegereef (NED)
UEFA Delegate: Nikoloz Jgarkava (GEO)
21:00 CET - Thessaloniki (Stadio Toumba)
PAOK FC (GRE) - F.C. Copenhagen (DEN) | Group F
PAOK FC (GRE) - F.C. Copenhagen (DEN) | Group F
Referee: Paweł Raczkowski (POL)
Assistant Referee 1: Radosław Siejka (POL)
Assistant Referee 2: Adam Kupsik (POL)
Fourth Official: Piotr Lasyk (POL)
UEFA Referee Observer: Gerard Perry (IRL)
UEFA Delegate: Eduard Dervishaj Nelaj (ESP)
Assistant Referee 1: Radosław Siejka (POL)
Assistant Referee 2: Adam Kupsik (POL)
Fourth Official: Piotr Lasyk (POL)
UEFA Referee Observer: Gerard Perry (IRL)
UEFA Delegate: Eduard Dervishaj Nelaj (ESP)
21:00 CET - London (Tottenham Hotspur Stadium)
Tottenham Hotspur (ENG) - Vitesse (NED) | Group G
Tottenham Hotspur (ENG) - Vitesse (NED) | Group G
Referee: Marco Di Bello (ITA)
Assistant Referee 1: Alessandro Costanzo (ITA)
Assistant Referee 2: Matteo Passeri (ITA)
Fourth Official: Rosario Abisso (ITA)
UEFA Referee Observer: Hugh Dallas (SCO)
UEFA Delegate: Romano Clavadetscher (SUI)
Assistant Referee 1: Alessandro Costanzo (ITA)
Assistant Referee 2: Matteo Passeri (ITA)
Fourth Official: Rosario Abisso (ITA)
UEFA Referee Observer: Hugh Dallas (SCO)
UEFA Delegate: Romano Clavadetscher (SUI)
21:00 CET - Rennes (Roazhon Park)
Stade Rennais FC (FRA) - NŠ Mura (SVN) | Group G
Stade Rennais FC (FRA) - NŠ Mura (SVN) | Group G
Referee: Juri Frischer (EST)
Assistant Referee 1: Veiko Mõtsnik (EST)
Assistant Referee 2: Sander Saga (EST)
Fourth Official: Roomer Tarajev (EST)
UEFA Referee Observer:Marco Borg (MLT) Raymond Ellingham (WAL)
UEFA Delegate: Barbara Moschini (ITA)
Assistant Referee 1: Veiko Mõtsnik (EST)
Assistant Referee 2: Sander Saga (EST)
Fourth Official: Roomer Tarajev (EST)
UEFA Referee Observer:
UEFA Delegate: Barbara Moschini (ITA)
Dallas to observe Di Bello is the highlight of this round, he is considered for a promotion to Category 1, now it is very clear. For this reason he got very important assignments in this start of serie A season, despite of being not so good like previous season. I think that this choce has been made based on the results of previous year and I hope he can return on the very good path he was some months ago. This observation should also mean that maybe an Italian Category 1 spot will be left, Massa is first candidate for Elite.
ReplyDeleteMaybe the movements will be something like:
Orsato ELITE
Massa ELITE
Guida, Mariani, Di Bello CATEGORY 1
For a too long time, we had a long list of Category 2 referees, now choices are expected.
IMO it's quite weird that Di Bello gets such a match a week after his total blackout in Venezia-Salernitana.
DeleteYes very strange choice
DeleteChefren, so in your mind Guida is out of a possible promotion to the Elite?
DeleteMassa had mostly low profile appointments this season. Do you think that they are enough for a promotion?
In my mind Guida was out because Massa clearly ahead in terms of consideration by committee. Let's not forget he officiated a game like Chelsea - Sevilla one year go, this looked to be a turning point on the road to a promotion. Then, we all know what happened at the start of this season, in this regard I don't know how much importance committee has given to this incident, in domestic competitions Massa has fully recovered, being back in a top clash, Roma - Napoli, in a short time.
DeleteNow, the recent assignments don't talk in favor of a promotion (ECL and EL), so this could meean that committee didn't like what happened with the investigation and the 2 months suspension, but all happened before talked in favor of a promotion. I don't know, in case Guida will be promoted and not Massa, this will be for the recent facts, but I'm really in doubt. To be honest, both would have arguments for staying as Category 1, and here I agree with all F. wrote below in this post, but indeed an Italian referee has to get Elite soon... we will know more soon.
First Faroese referee in a GS match ever?
ReplyDeleteprobably marco di bello with most important observer on thursday. where will his way go?
ReplyDeletegood to see a team from the faroe islands in a group stage match! can one of the experts please confirm/deny if this is the first ever match in an international group stage competition being refereed by a team from that nation?
I can confirm that it is the first faroese ref in a group stage ever, yes.
ReplyDeleteThanks.
DeleteThe missing countries at moment should be Armenia, Gibraltar, San Marino, Kosovo and Andorra, if I'm not wrong.
We will see who will get the games without any importance on MD5 and 6.
I think we can expect a referee from one of those countries for example for Kairat Almaty - Omonia Nicosia.
DeleteOne remark concerning Armenia: Nalbandian had a 1st round UEFA Cup match in September 2001. No group stage game but there was no group stage during that time. Therefore, one could regard his 1st round UEFA Cup match as a "minor group stage match".
DeleteI'm very glad for the appointment of the 1st Faroese referee in the group stage of an European competition and I would be very happy if some other low profile countries from football point of view will see a own referee in MD5/MD6.
DeleteOn other hand, very important observer for Di Bello; nothing to add, as you said it will be the key exam to be promoted into category 1.
Personally I don't see Mass deserving the promotion into Elite; the latest stop for the investigation on expense payment kept him away from big matches and even in the past I never saw excellent performances to justify a place in the "heaven". I see it mainly as a political choice since after Orsato, Italy is risking to miss Elite referees
Also Wales have not had an appointment in the group stages.
DeleteI think ?
Simon Lee Evans got 16 EL Group Stage games!
DeleteApologies I thought the details related to this season only..
DeleteTo me not a good signal for Kavanagh and Grenfeeld; the 1st one was quickly promoted in 1st category but it seems that he never fully convinced the committee, while the 2nd is an Elite and generally Elite should stay in CL.
ReplyDeleteGrinfeeld was injured for a long time, he can't just hop into CL, Rosetti gave him ECL to recover
DeleteGrinfeeld was injured for a long time, he ios now back so he starts with ECL indeed.
DeleteAbout Kavanagh, apart from some problems he had (injury? I don't remember, can English readers help me?), I must admit that indeed committee seems to have changed idea about him.
After Youth League final, he looked to be on a very particular focus by committee, but nothing followed...
More generally, the Enligh situations behind Taylor and Oliver is not easy to understand at moment.
Well Gent vs Partizan is an important match, battle for first place in the standings. For me such matches have basically the same status as matches in Europa League.
DeleteKavanagh was also injured!! Infact him and his AR2 Sian Massey have been injured for a while, Kavanagh just came back after match week 6 in the Premier League while Sian Massey is still out.
DeleteI didn't know (or forgot) Grinfeeld's injury. Sorry, my fault
DeleteVery good appointment for Greek Papapetrou. Roma needs a big win after the 6-1. Possible promotion for the Greek?
ReplyDeleteI would, however, expect a better observer.
Papapetrou rising and great referee, UEFA has appointed him to a very important game for ROMA, perhaps this is a message of climbing in category A
ReplyDeleteGreat...
Deletehttps://streamja.com/59Lkp
Marco Borg has been replaced by Raymond Ellingham
ReplyDeleteCrystal clear penalty missed by Di Bello
ReplyDeletemin?
DeleteProbably this situation:
Deletehttps://streamable.com/q61ep2
Thanks for the video.
DeleteIt looks like that ball was touched only by attacker, indeed, but I'm not sure about the intensity of contact by defender... would VAR have intervened in this case?
With Italian VARs you never know :D
DeletePawson would intervene ;)
DeleteVery clear penalty for handball (totally open arm) missed by Papapetrou in Roma - Bodø.
ReplyDelete2nd clear penalty for handball. Again, arm wide open
DeleteNever seen a clearer 7.4 than this one. Two very evident mistakes in which referee saw nothing, as always happens for hanbdalls, the biggest issue in football.
DeleteLet’s create a third competition, with poorer referees and no VAR. What could possibly go wrong?
DeleteAnd someone said that Papapetrou is great and rising referee. Couldnt be more wrong! It seems the more he is pushed, the more problems he makes (he or his team, depends).
DeleteCorrect second yc for Romero by di Bello. First yc bit soft
ReplyDeleteNot sure how a referee can show cards to a player when they are lying face down on the floor? (In the case of Romero). I agree, correct decision though.
DeleteAgree! Romero has no idea that he was sent off.
DeleteRC for DOGSO, handball outside the box by Vitesse keeper, but I'm not sure arms were in a punishable position, even the first replays are not clear. Waiting for more...
ReplyDeletehttps://streamable.com/t5qpw8
DeleteStill not clear where ball impacts on keeper's body, at least for me. Should be supported I think.
DeleteOh, I thing this is rather wrong. I understand the first impression of DOGSO handball, but I would say the ball hit the chest and even if it hit the arm, this position is not unnatural, the GK even tries to take the arms close to his upper body. So no handball offence for me and AR1 could have helped here.
DeleteHanballs by GK outside the penalty area are often more expected to be whistled.. in this case, I think one should support Di Bello as the GK's right arm moves towards the ball and the left arm is a bit on the side of his body. Not a very clear offence but still okay IMO. It's impossible to detect the exact contact (arm or chest), so I wouldn't blame the referee here.
DeleteIMO wrong decision, but surely very hard to spot (the assistant should help). The way the goalkeeper moves his arm just before the contact doesn't speak for him, but at the point of contact, the arm is by his body and it also hits his ribs I think.
DeleteMy final conclusion is that this was rather a mistake for the reasons explained by David, but still not deniable based on video footage.
Delete2-2 by Roma detected by GLT. Difficult to see for the officials live.
ReplyDeleteBut missed offside IMO.
Delete2 rc in one minute for Union by Stefanski who totally lost control
ReplyDeleteI don‘t know, hot the match in total was going, but those to incidents are correctly solved in my opinion. 2YC is mandatory after this kind of behaviour and RC for violent conduct is at least supportable.
DeleteYes the 2yc is fully correct and the rc was a strange moment but indeed supportable. My comment was for the situation after the cards.
DeleteAnastasios Papapetrou in AS Roma - FK Bodø/Glimt.
ReplyDelete14' Reckless, at least, challenge: no card.
https://streamable.com/zgnbde
48' missed penalty for handball
live https://streamable.com/udn57g
replay https://streamable.com/rkt62l
71' missed penalty for handball
live https://streamable.com/htmujm
replay https://streamable.com/2mpj7v
80' YC for protests, or to say it better, insults to referee, you can easily read the lips there (f...) and not once but repeated.
https://streamable.com/fwwes3
84' 2-2 offside, missed by officials detected only thank to GLT analysis about the goal
https://streamable.com/1bc4v4
For sure among the worst officiatings we ever saw at high level, I know that Conference League is a competition for such referees, but in my opinion without VAR they should assure at least a certain standard. These decisions could have been very crucial for the outcome of the group. Also, I don't think that AS Roma cares too much about this competition, otherwise, in their situation, after all what happened in serie A, there would been even stronger reactions.
We will see who will get Roma on next Matchday. Not an Elite referee, but I'm sure a Category 1 will get it. Open situation in the group.
I haven't seen the match so can only comment on these incidents but I think your first sentence is quite harsh. But we must bear in mind that the Italian standards for hands are much stricter than (f.e) in the Netherlands. I am not convinced that these are 2 penalties in the Netherlands. The F word would also be yellow in the Netherlands in Italy for sure rc. That a player dares to react in this way says something about the (lack of) authority of the referee
DeleteMinute 14 for sure at least yc
I'm astonished to read that you think both could be play on!
DeleteIn the second case, the action is fully "deliberate" in the real meaning of the term, with players hitting ball to save it from penalty area, in the first case with a so open arm, what can you argue? Really no explanations... said with all respect if you have doubts in such incidents, better to abolish handballs rule!
But I can add an interesting remark... why such blatant incidents happen? Because Norwegian players come from a league without VAR and they know that sometimes, if they are clever, they can do such things without being spotted by referee!
And of course in this case the blame goes to players (especially second incident).
It's not really my personal view but more explanation that in Italy hands are more of a penalty than anywhere else. You have to take that with you when you judge a referee
DeleteCheck https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4TMICFZ_ks&ab_channel=ESPNNL minute 2:37. No penalty in the Netherlands. In Italy 100% penalty
The dutch FA says they preferred a penalty here but this is the risk they take for their choice to NOT give ''easy'' penalties for handball
And I feel a strong urge to nuance the exaggerated focus on foreign referees with Italian teams (not from you but in general)
I see your point, don't worry, very important to discuss, and I agree with all you said, there shouldn't be any particular treatment for Italian teams in European competitions! Having said that, for me these stays as two very clear penalties and in this case, I can't find any explanation, to be honest.
DeleteThe situation you showed from Netherlands is indeed a 100% clear penalty in Italy, but I want to ask again: which reason you can find for play on? You can understand if I say that deciding for such assesment (play on) makes also things very difficult, you can decide everything and the contrary for a quite clear situation.. this is why things about handballs have gone in a certain way in Italy.
For the rest, Papapetrou didn't give positive signals, with a missed "orange" card, and a lack of authority.
I appreciate the discussion and totally agree with your last sentence!
DeleteAs a Dutch viewer I do not always agree with the line chosen by the Dutch FA but I also see penalties for hands in Italy which I am very surprised about
The Dutch FA says that there is room in rules for the interpretation of hands but that here the hand is too far from the body so literal quote: ''Preference for a penalty'' It's just a terrible rule ;) and I think Papapetrou in the Netherlands would not get much criticism about these 2 decisions because of the line deployed in the Netherlands, this is the risk they take and they accept. Their motivation is (for sure for the 48) moment that the arm is close (enough) to the body and that the player was unware of the situation. You see in the clip that he don't know were the ball is. But i agree with you there is enough room to motivate why this is a penalty
Clear penalties IMO. Very poor performance by the greek
DeleteI think, regardless of any interpretation, these two would be 100% penalties, also in the Netherlands. I just don’t see any way to judge these as non-deliberate. Difference with the Heerenveen situation you mention is that these two are much clearer examples of hand moving to the ball.
DeleteBoth are clear penalties IMO. Difficult to imagine that any observer would back the referee.
DeleteFor sure Papapetrou had a weak performance and his chances of promotion have gone. But I can't really blame him.
Such performances are the result of Pereira's decision to appoint foreign referees on Greek top clashes. Referees aren't improving since they can't get any top match.
Of course the whole situation in Greece isn't helping either. The big-4 clubs don't trust the referees and want foreigners.
IMO, 14' is actually a SFP offence but probably not enough because of the ball (even played I think) - however, the BOD player's action potentially endangers the opponent as there is even open studs knee contact.
DeleteAs for the penalty incidents, I agree that both are very evident mistakes, first one with open arm, maybe he's saved by the header movement and that he couldn't coordinate it better but still: body too clearly enlarged, penalty to be given.
Second incident is even clearer, active movement towards the ball: here the referee can be, also without VAR, totally blamed.
I wouldnt say that type of games Papapetrou officiates in Greece is "worse" than those of Peljto, Dabanovic or Kabakov in their leagues, for example.
DeleteUnfortunately for him, I dont see how he can recover from this. Not only because of his performance, but also compared with others, there are 2nd cat referees that perform much better. If I remember correctly, there were some crucial mistakes also in his previous international games this year. A missed opportunity because it seemed like he is a greek candidate for higher categories picked by the committee.
I don't think it has that much to do with not being able to handle the top clashes at home personally (and he got a Thessaloniki derby, recently, I recall) - I just think that Papapétrou is a poor referee.
DeleteWithout wishing to perform character assassination on a guy, that ought to have been obvious to anybody who watches him a few times - his technical accuracy is all over the place, he irritates the players, and so on. UEFA might finally realise that now.
Papapetrou had the Thessaloniki derby on January 2020 and not recently.
DeleteIt's very different to handle Olympiakos - PAOK (for example) or AEK - Panathinaikos than to handle Panaitolikos - OFI (no disrespect to the teams).
Your opinion about the yc for this situation AZ Alkmaar (NED) - CFR 1907 Cluj (ROU) Referee: Alain Durieux (LUX)
ReplyDeletehttps://www.vi.nl/video/samenvatting-az-frustreert-cluj-alibec-trapt-erop-los moment @ 0.45
Clear RC for violent conduct because player knows where ball is and he does that just to hurt opponent. VAR intervention expected in games with VAR. Would have been RC in my opinion even in case of less-intensity kick, because the intent of player is clear.
DeleteI think that despite the fact that this is a red card for violent conduct, this is a foul that no so many referees would sanctionate with RC. Sure, VAR would have intervened in this situation and after OFR almost everyone would have been given RC. This is why I don`t blame A. Durieu so much.
DeleteCFR Cluj`s coach and some of the Romanian media claimed a handball at the first goal. 0:20 in the video above. Thoughts?
For me this is a punishable handball, it hits him on the biceps. With VAR and maybe a few other angles to back it up, I would expect an intervention.
DeleteDoes anyone have video of Grinfeeld's first red card last night? The highlights in the US do not make it clear what it was for.
ReplyDeleteI can't find a video of this situation, I read on a site:
DeleteRED CARD! - After violent conduct, Stephen Odey is dismissed by the referee
And a few later... https://streamja.com/XQGMy
Second YC, quite clear, no discussion.
Yeah, the 2CT is clear--no debates. But the first one seems odd because the US highlights show the guilty player as being fouled about a minute earlier, but doesn't show what happens after the foul. Interested to see if we get any video.
DeleteI found the video.
DeleteIt looks to be an excellent spot, without VAR, maybe AR2 involved.
https://streamja.com/N3X7b
What do we think will be Brych's farewell match (for national teams)? A big game where a name like Brych is needed (ITA-SUI / NED-NOR / ESP-SWE) or a more relaxed game in what is still a nice farewell (such as ENG-ALB or FRA-KAZ). I haven't checked his previous appointments so forgive me if one of the games I mentioned is not available, but you get what I mean.
ReplyDeleteI think, Brych will get an important match in the WC qualifiers.
DeleteAnd then maybe something more "relaxing" as his final international match in CL.
Rocchi got a very important CZEKVX before a dead-rubber Bayern vs. Tottenham to end his international career, so agree with Philipp, we can expect sth similar for Brych.
DeleteDoes anyone has statistics of all appointments, for example how many 2nd category referees have been appointed so far, has some of those had more than 1 appointment?
ReplyDeleteUEFA SECOND CATEGORY
Delete1x UEL, 1x UECL
Di Bello
2x UECL
Lambrechts, Obrenovič, Al-Hakim
1x UECL
Jorgji, Weinberger, Chinkov, Strukan, Orel, Kjærsgaard, Maae, Attwell, Frischer, Viljanen, Høvdanum, Kruashvili, Osmers, Papapétrou, Farkas, Harvey, Þórarinsson, Frid, Fabbri, Maresca, Durieux, Anufrijevs, Muntean, Farrugia Cann, Higler, Eskås, Steen, Godinho, Pinheiro, Feșnic, Levnikov, Meshkov, Clancy, Walsh, Glova, Karlsson, Balakin
Tnx a lot!
Deletehttps://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/mark-clattenburg-champions-league-final-b1952067.html
ReplyDeleteSorry but this is unacceptable, from a former referee recently appointed as UEFA referee observer and head of refereeing in Greece....
https://twitter.com/emctear/status/1456241673101619204
DeleteAs a lover of refereeing, I am disgusted to hear these words from Clattenburg. It is inadmissible and he should resign his position as referee observer. For me it has lost all its credibility. I am speechless
DeleteHis credibility, sorry.
DeleteI am really disgusted
I rewatched the scene here: https://youtu.be/-ESiktHRw9Y?t=86
DeleteI have to say, this really is a 50/50 that could go eather way. I just don't understand what Clattenburg is gaining from statements like that. I think it worsens the image of top referees. If he says nothing, noone would have criticised him because he was quite right to give that penalty there.
“I just thought, ‘Wow. This is my day. This is the perfect day in refereeing.’ I’m thinking, ‘Now they can’t blame me.'”
DeleteWell, this is disappointing. And sad.
Wow... This is unbelievable... Especially the way he throws the AR under the bus is terrible and I honestly am lost for words. If it actually happened the way he described it, just walk over to the AR and talk to him (CL final!!!)...
DeleteOf course anything else he says is also unacceptable! I'm shocked!
He will never get a game as UEFA observer, I'm quite sure. With all the respect for his career and the talent he has been, too many times he has shown that he is not a responsible person. And... I really can't understand why not going to talk to assistant referee before allowing that goal, to be sure?
DeleteEverything seems really absurd. Even more when you hear that directly by him.
Wow. I am shocked.
DeleteHe should resign immediately from his position as an UEFA observer and as a Head of Refereeing in Greece.
Wow!!!!! I always knew Clattenburg was like this!!! He has the arrogance around him that’s why he was sacked earlier in England for things he said to players!!! He just threw Simon beck under the bus. Wow, he should really calm down with all this expose he is doing about himself because he feels he is retired, it will catch up.
DeleteHe was never sacked in England.
DeleteOk, this was certainly an interesting way of looking on refereeing :D
DeleteCL final, my AR does not respond, crucial decision, I continue a game. Luckily, there is a 50-50 pk so I give it, and then hope it wont result in a goal.
So wrong and so unacceptable to say it! The pk itself was not wrong, noone can claim it is a clear mistake. And subconsciously it is probably what happens in referee's head often, but you cannot have the intention to even some earlier mistakes.
Remember also a game when Chelsea and Tottenham played and he did not want to show any RC to Tottenham's players. Atleast 2-3 they deserved that night.
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2016 was his dream year, bu from his statements since he retired, seems to me that he is very arogant person with bad attitude.
Delete@Jackson he was in 2009. He was first suspended then dismissed from his job before he appealed and was reinstated.
Deletehe was suspended after he was accused of sending an email threatening the family of a business associate. He was dropped from August’ s Community Shield of 2009 at Wembley just hours after the FA and the PGMO were alerted to the accusation.
An internal investigation was immediately launched into his business dealings and alleged debts of almost £175,000 and then, after receiving an anonymous letter, into his personal life.
Clattenburg denied the allegations and, in an interview with Sportsmail, insisted he would clear his name and return to football wchich he did. He also has a history of allegedly being racist to players.
@M In 2016, Mark Clattenburg had what looked like the best year I have ever seen a single referee have. He was truly on top of the world.
DeleteIn recent years, it has become clear that he only reached those heights by cutting corners and, as I see it, essentially cheating.
Sadly this is not a problem contained only to Clattenburg; rather, the nature of the refereeing ecosystem is such that taking a "career first" or "self-preservation" approach (as opposed to a "make the right call, optics be damned" approach) is far more conducive to climbing up the refereeing ladder.
Chiagozie, I am not a fan of Clatteburg but lets not drag him through the mud like that. There is absolutely no evidence of him being racist, Сhelsea tried to implicate him in the racist scandal after they lost an important match against Man United with yes some big Mark's errors in favour of Man United. But they failed, he was cleared of all their charges.
DeleteGood morning, anyone with the match officials for German league this weekend?
ReplyDeleteStill not published by DFB.
Deletehttps://buli-schiri.blogspot.com/2021/11/11-spieltag.html
DeleteThank you Sir Philipp
DeleteClattenburg is, perhaps, too (publicly) forthright for his own good. But personally, I can’t crucify him for these comments.
ReplyDelete1)
DeleteFirstly: I don’t really see why the head of refereeing in one of THE problem nations in UEFA should even be entertaining interviews with stuff like this, have a twitter account where he is paid to retweet for ‘Backup Everything’ and ‘Leisure Leagues’, creating a storm talking about pregnancy for female officials, and so on.
It is just my feeling, but I don’t think that he took his job in Saudi Arabia, nor takes his incumbent position in Greece, as seriously as he should. Snoddy - the sort of person who really ought to have these positions (his work in Cyprus was very commendable and how it SHOULD be done) - obviously realised that Clattenburg didn’t really ‘care’ and walked out on him.
He’s right, I think. Clattenburg knows that he has a sell-by date at HFF and I doubt a deathbed regret of his will be failing to develop Greece’s referees as well as he should have. He satisfies the big clubs for a while, gets his (not insignificant) wage, and carries on until he is replaced and finds a new job.
In this regard, as someone who takes a very keen interest in Saudi Arabia’s football particularly, but also wider refereeing as a whole, Clattenburg’s work as an administrator really irks me, to be honest; it is has the tint of Anglocentric arrogance, and perhaps more simply, is blatant careerism to the contrary of the greater good.
I can live with that though - people shouldn’t get on their high horses tooooo much; everybody has a mortgage to pay, it is not like the Englishman is really doing anything ‘wrong’ (besides messing up this OFR in KSA) in either two roles, and so on.
2)
On the whole, I actually find Clattenburg a breath of fresh air, and appreciate his (very interesting!) contributions. Refereeing, as anyone who has tried, or is trying, to climb the greasy pole, knows, is an exercise in dog-eats-dog politics. Honesty like Clattenburg’s is very rare indeed.
It is not surprising that his remarks, once picked up by the wider media, have caused outrage (it seems they have?) amongst fans who totally miss the nuance of this, but I am a bit surprised that our critically thinking blog has gone the same way. To me, what Clattenburg said is simply a matter of common-sense.
Beck had a poor blackout in Milan, full stop; Clattenburg removed him from his team after the following EURO. This story about the comms kit (lack of) communication is interesting, but I think that this story, on this occasion, was mistold - the English officials only realised at halftime (for sure) that Ramos’ goal was offside.
I am the first person who appreciates genuine courage in refereeing - Codesal, Moreno, Ángel Sánchez, Rodríguez (in 2014) should all praised for putting the right decision before their own careers on the biggest stage. They all acted in what were, IMO, black-white cases. Sometimes though, we find ourselves in grey, in a grey area.
And so Clattenburg found himself there in this Torres-Pepe duel. Regular readers can already predict my personal solution: Torres impedes the defender from reaching the ball, defensive freekick. But UEFA, FIFA, evidently don’t have such a clear vision as I for such scenes, and they fall into a subjective category.
What Clattenburg then explains is simply common sense IMO - in order to deliver ‘fairness’ (actually the first goal of the football referee, whether in the WC final or some U7s fixture), there is practical context which influences on which side of the decision the ref comes down on.
We have a grey area in which we can use balancing freekicks, balancing cautions, to our practical advantage - of course, it is important IMO that we don’t overstep the mark into simply incorrect balancing calls though. Coherent to that principle, it is logical that assessing KMIs also follows the same ‘most black-white, some grey’ principle. Maybe it is just unsettling seeing what we all, really, know to be true deep down, spelt out to us.
And if you haven’t wished a penalty be missed as a referee on the FoP yourself… then I don’t know what to say! :D
3)
DeleteClattenburg was only being honest. The referees who UEFA, FIFA trust to handle the biggest matches are chosen because they know and trust that these officials have a very deep ‘football understanding’ of how to deliver these games.
There are so many examples of this kind of ‘balancing’, here are two which are fresh in my mind:
- The most recent which I can think of is Björn Kuipers in Juventus vs. Porto; while the newly retired Dutchman IMO had a poor performance in an ultra-challenging game, he avoided any huge controversy because the two (sub-optimal, at least for me) KMIs balanced themselves out.
And you could call neither the decision to award Porto that penalty, nor the SYC for kicking the ball away, clearly wrong! They were both in the grey area, at least in most people’s estimation, of ‘manageable’ either way at the referee’s discretion, and Kuipers decided in the second case along the lines which would cause him the least trouble.
- Howard Webb famously found out at halftime that he missed a crystal clear RC to De Jong in his WC final. So, when Arjen Robben was pulled down by Carles Puyol but carried on running in a potential DOGSO scene late in the 2H (Puyol himself says that the correct decision was a freekick + RC), Webb faced a grey area situation.
And he played on, no foul called. One replay shows the Yorkshireman with a very small smile on his face in the seconds after this play on decision - I am quite sure that Webb realised how ‘perfectly’ these two decisions balanced out (in the same way that Clattenburg said that Milan was ‘perfect’), and couldn’t help but afford a small smile to himself.
Howard Webb, like Clattenburg, had an excellent football understanding, and realised just supreme performances in some games for exactly that reason (eg. Atlético vs. Barcelona, SVKITA and BRACHI at WC 2010).
4)
While fans might be disgusted that Clattenburg was simply honest out in the open, there are much worse ‘cards’ in top level refereeing played by referees who want to advance their own careers.
At least the ‘balancing’ above had something to do with sporting fairness, even if it was self-preservational in nature. Other cases where referees simply acted in their own interest, facing what they knew to be a black-white incident (especially a game-decisive one) and choose the easier, incorrect option on purpose, are much more worthy of our anger IMO.
To conclude, I would say that Clattenburg’s public honesty on this matter is bloody unwise, to put it mildly. But personally, I am quite comfortable with the intellectual genesis of it, which is simply symptomatic of being a genuine high-class referee in my opinion.
I agree with you. I'm sure this sort of balancing happened more often pre-VAR time, where at half time, the referees could see they made a mistake. But it's naive to admit to it pubilcly, and you just know that people are not going to listen word for word what he said about the 5050 penalty and just react to the fact that he 'gifted' a penalty to Atletico after a mistake in the first half.
DeleteIs Clattenburg's book available to purchase yet?
DeleteI prefer Clattenburg to fix Greek refereeing instead of giving interviews.....
DeleteRespectfully, I disagree with you Mikael.
DeleteThere is a gray area that referees have to work with, but it’s important to use this gray area in the right way.
Does the game need to be called tighter to keep it under control? Should it be called looser to facilitate more free-flowing football? These are fair considerations to make. But there is a difference between “I have a soft pen, now I need to make sure I consistently uphold that strict line across he field in both penalty areas” and “I need to be stricter in *one penalty area only* to even things up. Things like “I’m going to look really bad if I don’t call this” “one team will be very angry with me” “it will be politically difficult” or “I need to make a make-up call so that I look like I’m being even here” are not ethical considerations for a referee to factor into his decision. If he wants to be stricter, at this moment, in one penalty area than the other, this is biased refereeing and is absolutely unacceptable.
Mark Clattenburg reached the highest levels of refereeing in 2016. At the time, we could all agree that it was one of the greatest years in refereeing ever. But, in the years since, it has become clear that he only reached those heights by cutting corners, and, as I see it, cheating. He made the “easy calls” in games that would make him look good. This is not how refereeing should be done; like you, I admire the referees who are courageous enough to put the game and their decisions over their careers.
Clattenburg is obviously not the only top level ref to put their careers ahead of fair decision-making. You mention the greasy pole of refereeing and how hard it is to climb that pole. Referees who cut corners like this are obviously at an advantage in climbing this pole than referees who do things the right way. As a result of this, I’d argue that actually a vast majority of referees at the top level are, by survivorship bias, subscribers to this sort of philosophy. It’s sad to me.
@Smala017
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Clattenburg, same as Webb or Rizzoli,adapted well to the circumstances and succeeded.
DeleteWhy do some of you feel like writing books in this comment section. Who cares what that referee says? Let him say whatever he wants and stop caring about him.
DeleteMassive mistake by First Category referee Halis Özkahya. Yesterday, at Gaziantep - Kasimpașa, he gave 9 minutes additional time and ended the match after 4 minutes and 15 seconds! The players were called back, some of them from the shower, and the remaining time was played.
ReplyDeletehttps://twitter.com/formakultur/status/1456711389096161288
https://www.fotomac.com.tr/superlig/2021/11/05/sahalarda-ender-gorulen-olay-hakem-halis-ozkahya-gaziantep-fk-kasimpasa-macini-erken-bitirdi
DeletePredictions WC qualifiers
ReplyDeleteAZE-LUX: Farkas (HUN) IRL-POR: Tohver (EST) SRB-QAT: Altmann (AUT)
LUX-IRL: Doveri (ITA) POR-SRB: Gil Manzano (ESP) AZE-QAT: Hamiti (ALB)
GEO-SWE: Gözübüyük (NED) GRE-ESP: Kulbakov (BLR)
GRE-KOS: Boiko (UKR) ESP-SWE: Hategan (ROU)
ITA-SUI: Makkelie (NED) NIR-LTU: Arnason (ISL)
NIR-ITA: Visser (BEL) SUI-BUL: Kehlet (DEN)
BIH-FIN: Karasev (RUS) FRA-KAZ: Kruzliak (SVK)
BIH-UKR: Soares Dias (POR) FIN-FRA: Zwayer (GER)
BEL-EST: Reinshreiber (ISR) WAL-BLR: Mariani (ITA)
WAL-BEL: Sidiropoulos (GRE) CZE-EST: Jovic (CRO)
DEN-FAR: Harvey (IRL) MDA-SCO: Siebert (GER) AUT-ISR: Stavrev (MKD)
ISR-FAR: Brisard (FRA) AUT-MDA: Delajod (FRA) SCO-DEN: Gestranius (FIN)
NOR-LVA: Buquet (FRA) TUR-GIB: Verissimo (POR) MNE-NED: Stieler (GER)
NED-NOR: Vincic (SVN) MNE-TUR: Marciniak (POL) GIB-LVA: Tschudi (SUI)
RUS-CYP: Guida (ITA) SVK-SVN: Frappart (FRA) MLT-CRO: Kabakov (BUL)
CRO-RUS: Brych (GER) SVN-CYP: Chinkov (BUL) MLT-SVK: Kruashvili (GEO)
AND-POL: Aghayev (AZE) ENG-ALB: Orsato (ITA) HUN-SMR: Karlsson (SWE)
ALB-AND: Ivanov (RUS) POL-HUN: Palabiyik (TUR) SMR-ENG: Schüttengruber (AUT)
ARM-MKD: Turpin (FRA) GER-LIE: Munukka (FIN) ROU-ISL: Taylor (ENG)
MKD-ISL: del Cerro Grande (ESP) ARM-GER: Stefanski (POL) LIE-ROU: Beaton (SCO)
Interesting! Nice predictions :)
ReplyDeleteI dont dare to predict, but based on standings in the Group, we can expect the top 5 Elite refs on:
-ITA - SUI
-POR - SRB
-SWE - SPA
-CRO - RUS
-NED - NOR
-(or do I forget one?)
The refs appointed to those games must be highly trusted by the comite. I am really curious!
Marciniak is in good form, so i think he will have one for 5 This game
DeleteYes agree. A good recent form is often rewarded :)
DeleteAnd based on politics / geography I guess Marciniak could be a logical choice on all of these games?
(Except NED-NOR because he already officiated NED this this year).
Somehow I also expect Taylor, Mateu Lahoz, and/or Orsato.
Or Brych (a nice farewell?).
Or maybe Makkelie (although kept a bit away from spotlight in WC qualifiers).
Makkelie is injured according to some Dutch news. He won't be available for his scheduled match on Sunday. No news what kind of injury he suffers.
DeleteTrying some predictions:
DeleteITA - SUI Taylor
POR - SRB Orsato
SWE - ESP Makkelie
CRO - RUS Marciniak
NED - NOR Mateu Lahoz
About Brych, based on previous assignments, the feeling is that committee doesn't want to consider him for important clashes anymore, because about to retire, otherwise he would have been candidate for Nations League final, he could have got more sonorous games in CL and so on. But this is only my idea, let's see. For sure I wouldn't appoint again Siebert in a very hot game in this context, he "gave" already too much in terms of mental engagement.
Ouch. Anonymous is right.
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I must say this is a big shame. Makkelie was actually one of the very few refs in NL that hasn’t been heavily critized this season. Lots of controversial moment happened lately, but Makkelie & team were very steady. Maybe even a bit over-appointed because of the horrible level.
@Chefren: Brych was appointed to Porto - AC Milan, a very important match IMO. I hope to see him in an important clash next week.
Delete@Unknown: Horrible level? I can only remember heavy criticism of Kamphuis (very weak form), Lindhout (very challenging matches) and Van den Kerkhof the last months.
Yes, + Higler, Manschot, Nijhuis and some of the younger refs were critized. Also much critism on VARs.
DeleteBlom, van Boekel and Makkelie were decent. Gözübüyük saved by a few correct OFR’s.
‘Horrible’ is not the nicest word indeed to use indeed. I cant do a better job for sure :)
I think, also the group D matches are very important with UKR, FIN and KAZ still fighting for second place - and even FRA still needs points to be sure.
DeleteAlso ARM-MKD is potentially important - at least, if ROU doesn't win against ISL.
OT:
ReplyDeleteTamas Bognar and his team were reportedly attacked by the home fans after the Crvena Zvezda EL game in Belehrad. They had to be escorted by police from the field, some object struck one of the ARs. Fitness hoach had his head cut open by another flying object.
Shocking scenes, I hope UEFA takes a strong action.
Don't miss the show at 6 p.m. with the future TOP Italian referee. The match is Juventus - Fiorentina. Enjoy
ReplyDeleteHow was Simone Sozza?
DeleteExcellent performance. The future.
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ReplyDeleteAccording to Dutch Media : Danny Makkelie is injured and can't whistle tomorrow in Arnhem.
Yes, we know. Somebody already shared this link above.
DeleteOh, sorry ! :D I have accidentally :D
DeleteThe most important sports newspaper in Romania has just announced the referee from Romania-Iceland. Should I reveal? I ask because of the rule at the top right of the screen.
ReplyDeleteRusul Serghei Karasev va conduce la centru partida România – Islanda, care se va disputa joi, 11 noiembrie, pe stadionul Steaua, în grupa J a preliminariilor europene ale Cupei Mondiale.
DeleteKarasev va fi ajutat de Igor Demeşko şi Maksim Gavrilin, iar al patrulea oficial va fi Kirill Levnikov. În camera VAR se vor afla Vitali Meşkov, arbitru VAR, şi Serghei Ivanov, asistent VAR.
Never mind ...
DeleteFollowing Euro, Karasev keeps getting lots of UEFA appointments - well deserved.
DeleteMatei14 if you find anything already reported elsewhere (internet, newspapers and so on), of course you can report it.
DeleteIn case the trouble is for the original source.
Our disclaimer is about personal knowledge of confidential appointments...
As it happened for October's games, Romanian federation has leaks.
Very good appointment for Karasev, but indeed it is now clear that he has recovered as "full Elite" referee trusted by commmittee, Rosetti needed that, also to have more choice for big games. The process made with Karasev should / could be made with other "sleeping" Elite referees at moment.. if they want... but yes it is also true that the Russian had already a certain background, not the same for the others.
Under 19 Appointments
ReplyDeleteGroup 1: Sweden, Switzerland, England and Andorra
Referees:
Vitālijs Spasjoņņikovs LVA
Walter Altmann AUT
Ioannis Papadopoulos GRE
Joakim Östling SWE (4th official)
Group 2: Russia, Greece, Germany and Faroe Island
Referees:
Gergo Bogár HUN
Andrew Madley ENG
Daniyar Sakhi KAZ
Konstantinos Perrakis GRE (4th official)
Group 4: Netherlands, Cyprus, Israel and Moldova
Referees:
Juri Frischer EST
Barbeno Luca SMR
Rauf Jabarov AZE
Nael Odeh ISR (4th official)
Group 6: Bosnia, Bulgaria, Ireland and Montenegro
Referees:
Denys Shurman UKR
Morten Krogh DEN
Kai Erik Steen NOR
Georgi Ginchev BUL (4th official)
Group 7: France, Albania, Serbia and North Macedonia
Referees:
Vladimir Moskalev RUS
Krzysztof Jakubik POL
David Fuxman ISR
Indrit Myrtaj ALB (4th official)
Group 8: Azerbaijan, Belgium, Spain and Luxembourg
Referees:
Luka Bilbija BIH
Robert Ian Jenkins WAL
David Coote ENG
Cédric Biever LUX (4th official)
Group 9: Turkey, San Marino, Latvia and Romania
Referees:
Juxhin Xhaja ALB
Bram Van Driessche BEL
Thomas Gary Owen WAL
Mert Güzenge TUR (4th official)
Group 11: Armenia, Scotland, Croatia and Gibraltar
Referees:
Milovan Milačić MNE
Mohammed Al-emara FIN
Antonio Emanuel Carvalho Nobre POR
Ante Culjak CRO (4th official)
Could someone get the observers in U19 and U17 mini tournaments? I would like to see what new names have been appointed.
ReplyDeleteFelix Zwayer with a very convincing performance yesterday in the Bundesliga top clash between RB Leipzig and Dortmund. All KMI correctly solved and from what I saw a good foul detection.
ReplyDeleteMy impression from the last few weeks is that he refovered as well and has his confidence back. He seema to be in a very good form, so I am curious if he will soonly get an important CL game..?
Agree, he is in top form once again, he makes his decisions with evident confidence.
DeleteI’d like to underline a perfect simulation call in the middle of the pitch. I think the most of the referees would have called a foul to the Leipzig player, who does a simulation and in 88’ is correctly cautioned.
DeleteOT:Maybe I'm crazy, but how it's not that foul on Allison in West Ham - Liverpool mtaxh during 1st goal?
ReplyDeleteI mean IMO that was clear obstruction of GK.
Now I see potential RC being looked at VAR.
Hot start...
Agree, its a foul everywhere but in England.
DeleteIt is a hot start, but I think both decisions can be backed by VAR. For the red card, I think the most important consideration is force, and I think it is quite low.
DeleteIMO correct 2YC by Mateu for BET21 in 45' of Seville derby (SPA)
ReplyDeleteHe's using the new Macron shorts even in domestic competition :D
https://streamja.com/JLda4
As much as I dont like Doveri's lenient style, that style was perfect for Milan derby.
ReplyDeleteOf course players good behaviour helped him but that was also cause he established authority and had completely match control.
All his crucial decisions were spot on, especially I liked 1st penalty decision which can be hard to judge, but he was 100 % sure and right.
If we compare this to Maresca's style last week there is a huge difference.
Maybe Doveri didnt have 50 50 situations to judge that were crucial like Maresca, but still, he did his job excellent with his typical style.
I'm sure we will see him in somw other big matches in Italy,I just hope that he doesnt have performances like he had in Juventus - Milan match, where I think if murder happened between players, he would not show card. :)
I fully agree with your assessment, unless first penalty decision, for me the penalty is wrong but I understand why you call it from the pitch. Indeed after the defender's mistake in such scenario you expect a clear foul. But it didn't happen, in my opinion. This was clear only thank to replay, can't blame referee, VAR has some arguments for backing but in my opinion wrong call. The rest all very good.
DeleteI think both calls were spot on. Kessie trips Chalhanoglu on the calf. The fact that he runs into trouble doesn't help him. 2nd one is a great call, looks like the defender gets the touch on the ball, but he doesnt (VAR would have intervened if no PK is given I'm sure)
DeleteWhy do you not think it's a PK Chefren? Do you think the step across (shielding ball motion) by Chalhanoglu first is a trip? Because after Kessie dangles his leg to the side, doesnt get the ball and IMO clearly brings Chalhanoglu down.
DeleteFirst penalty: https://streamable.com/8l66ol
DeleteSecond penalty: https://streamable.com/7oqo81
I agree with David, both calls are correct IMO. I was STUNNED that Doveri gave the first - Kessié was in trouble facing his own goal, so he tried to win a cheap defensive freekick by putting his legs between Çalhanoğlu’s in order to win it. Actually, he tripped the attacker; a clear foul. Instead of the easy option, Doveri instantly pointed for a penalty! Big respect. The second penalty was well-seen (+YC), too.
I watched the game and share M’s impression - Doveri’s approach reminded me of Brych’s sucessful performance in his EURO SF, not the ‘deepest’ foul recognition (and he was quite stuck in the centre of the FoP), but he knew when to jump in with whistles, and his strong and convincing manner aroused the players’ trust. Very (very) good performance IMO, especially considering the big calls.
I don't think that Doveri saw exactly what had happened to be honest, Mikael, this time I disagree with you about this aspect, he whistled clearly base on intuition after the lost ball and the desperate attempt by defender, indeed. Then what we can find checking the replay is in my opinion something not enough for a penalty, but that's only my point of view. At least I agree that VAR has to support the call, but I think in case Doveri had seen exactly what happened, he wouldn't have easily whistled. For most of Italian people, first penalty can be discussed, not seen as clear mistake, but just supportable.
DeleteThe rest absolutely excellent and I praise Doveri, totally different performance from his previous big game.
You are very right Mikael about this IMO: "he tried to win a cheap defensive freekick by putting his legs between Çalhanoğlu’s in order to win it. Actually, he tripped the attacker" I think if Kessie just falls without dangling his leg out, his chance to get the free kick would have gone up a lot. The way he falls seems like he tries to exagerrate the contact from the striker, and by doing so he tripped him IMO.
DeleteAccording to me a big mandatory yellow/orange/red card missed in the situation of the first penalty and I am astonished that nobody mentions it. Are the cards already not important in the referee's profession?
DeleteReferee 12 asked for observers in youth tournaments. Here you are:
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Group 1
Referees: Christian-Petru Ciochirca (AUT), Robertas Valikonis (LTU), Ion Orlic (MDA)
Observers: Leóndios Tráttou (CYP), Raymond Ellingham (WAL)
Group 2
Referees: Henrik Nalbandyan (ARM), Igor Pajač (CRO), Visar Kastrati (KOS)
Observers: Lassin Isaksen (FRO), Emil Božinovski (MKD)
* the postponed SWELVA game will observe Miroslav Liba (CZE)
Group 3
Referees: Haris Kaljanac (BIH), Nikólas Neokléous (CYP), Vítor Jorge Fernandes Ferreira (POR)
Observers: Tony Asumaa (FIN), Darko Čeferin (SVN)
Group 4
Referees: Viktar Šymusik (BLR), Snir Levi (ISR), Abdulkadir Bitigen (TUR)
Observers: Michális Koukoulákis (GRE), Alan Mario Sant (MLT)
Group 5
Referees: Joonas Jaanovits (EST), Sigurd Smehus Kringstad (NOR), Adam Ladebäck (SWE)
Observers: Robert Schörgenhofer (AUT), Leslie Irvine (NIR)
Group 6
Referees: Ashot Ghaltakhchyan (ARM), Jasmin Sabotic (LUX), David Alexander Munro (SCO)
Observers: Giorgi Vadachkoria (GEO), Matteo Simone Trefoloni (ITA)
Group 7
Referees: Sebastian Gishamer (AUT), Elçin Məsiyev (AZE), Ishmael Barbara (MLT)
Observers: Alain Sars (FRA), Chaim Yaakov (ISR)
Group 8
Referees: Georgi Davidov (BUL), Sandi Putros (DEN), Joni Hyytiä (FIN)
Observers: Levan Paniashvili (GEO), Pavle Radovanović (MNE)
Group 9
Referees: Irakli Kvirikashvili (GEO), Vasílios Fotiás (GRE), Viktor Kopiyevsʹkyy (UKR)
Observers: Michális Argyroú (CYP), Markus Nobs (SUI)
Group 10
Referees: Philip Farrugia (MLT), Allard Lindhout (NED), Andrew Davey (NIR)
Observers: Fritz Stuchlik (AUT), Claus Bo Larsen (DEN)
Group 11
Referees: Igor Stojčevski (MKD), Mileta Šćepanović (MNE), Yaşar Kemal Uğurlu (TUR)
Observers: Ruud Bossen (NED), Iain Robertson Brines (SCO)
Group 12
Referees: Dario Bel (CRO), Ferenc Karakó (HUN), Urs Schnyder (SUI)
Observers: Carlos Clos Gómez (ESP), Jon Eilif Skjervold (NOR)
Group 13
Referees: Ondřej Berka (CZE), Andrei Florin Chivulete (ROU), Miloš Milanović (SRB)
Observers: Nerijus Dunauskas (LTU), Nikolay Levnikov (RUS)
U19
DeleteGroup 1
Referees: Walter Altmann (AUT), Ioánnis Papadópoulos (GRE), Vitālijs Spasjonņikovs (LVA)
Observers: Rune Pedersen (NOR), Kevin Parry (WAL)
Group 2
Referees: Andrew Madley (ENG), Gergő Bogár (HUN), Danııar Sahı (KAZ)
Observers: Chrístos Nikolaḯdis (CYP), Clayton Pisani (MLT)
Group 3
Referees: Peter Bankes (ENG), Goga Kikacheishvili (GEO), Helgi Mikael Jónasson (ISL)
Observers: Juan Antonio Fernández Marín (ESP), Ian Stokes (IRL)
Group 4
Referees: Rauf Cabarov (AZE), Juri Frischer (EST), Luca Barbeno (SMR)
Observers: Ante Vučemilović-Šimunović (CRO), Geórgios Bíkas (GRE)
Group 5
Referees: Dragomir Draganov (BUL), Aleksandrs Anufrijevs (LVA), Marian Alexandru Barbu (ROU)
Observers: Konrad Plautz (AUT), Hannes Kaasik (EST)
Group 6
Referees: Morten Krogh (DEN), Kai Erik Steen (NOR), Denys Shurman (UKR)
Observers: Vadims Direktorenko (LVA), Mehmet Murat Ilgaz (TUR)
Group 7
Referees: David Fuxman (ISR), Krzysztof Jakubik (POL), Vladimir Moskalyov (RUS)
Observers: Christopher Lautier (MLT), Martin Ingvarsson (SWE)
Group 8
Referees: Luka Bilbija (BIH), David Coote (ENG), Robert Ian Jenkins (WAL)
Observers: Antonio Damato (ITA), Michael Thomas Ross (NIR)
Group 9
Referees: Juxhin Xhaja (ALB), Bram Van Driessche (BEL), Thomas Gary Owen (WAL)
Observers: Ognjen Valjić (BIH), Lucílio Cardoso Cortez Batista (POR)
Group 10
Referees: Amine Kourgheli (BLR), Duje Strukan (CRO), Michal Očenáš (SVK)
Observers: Miroslav Tulinger (CZE), Stephen Tanner (ENG)
Group 11
Referees: Mohammed Al-Emara (FIN), Milovan Milačić (MNE), António Emanuel de Carvalho Nobre (POR)
Observers: Pavel Salıı (KAZ), Stefano Podeschi (SMR)
Group 12
Referees: Kári Jóannesarson á Høvdanum (FRO), Kristoffer Karlsson (SWE), Arda Kardeşler (TUR)
Observers: Karen Nalbandyan (ARM), Dimitar Mečkarovski (MKD)
Group 13
Referees: Balázs Berke (HUN), Genc Nuza (KOS), Horațiu Mircea Feșnic (ROU)
Observers: Uno Tutk (EST), Calum Murray (SCO)
Thank you.
DeleteThanks :)
DeleteI wanted ti see if Kuipers, Clattenburg, Rocchi, Undiano and Mazic have been apppinted but obviously not. I would not be surprised if they get Champions League or Europa League already this season. I guess all of them will be considered as important observers by Rosetti.
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ReplyDeleteCarlos Del Cerro Grande (VAR Munuera Montero)
Penalty after OFR
https://streamja.com/6WLXV
Still the same impression watching him in this video, why so passive? However, in my opinion he had to whistle it rather live, I'm not 100% sure that it was VAR stuff. Looks like he was not convinced during OFR as well.
DeleteIMO clearly correct penalty, attacker is in the better position, defender isn't able to succeed in his desperate aim to play the ball and only hits the attacker's leg.
DeleteDel Cerro Grande with his typcial style and body language, for my taste clearly too passive here..
IMO no VAR stuff at all, grey area. I have many doubts with the penalty
DeleteI’m totally with xabi on this one, and I would even go a step further. For me this is rather no penalty as the defender hardly does anything wrong and it’s the attacker moving his leg in front of the defender and is therefore ‘more responsible’ for the contact than the defender. Moving the leg aside as the attacker does is not illegal of course (probably trying to shield the ball), but if that’s the main cause of a contact it’s not defender to blame IMO. At least a wrong intervention in my view.
DeleteI see it the same way as Known, probably less ambiguously - the attacker's only intention is getting the defender to crash into him. Actually, he unfairly blocks the defender from getting the ball this way, so IMO the correct solution is a defensive freekick.
DeleteI basically agree with Xabi but I guess my position is slightly different - if we decide that 'clever attacker's play' should never be a reason for voiding a foul/penalty call, then the intervention is correct. In my vision, we have defensive freekicks for situations like these (Pepe on Torres, et al), and of course, no intervention.
By the way, players and (top) referees also understand these kinds of tactics by players - nobody is interested in a penalty besides the PAOK bench. It's only after endless zoomed-in replays that one sees a 'foul' by the defender.
For me this is a penalty. The striker is in a good position to shield the ball and the defender has to be more careful if he wants to clear the ball (kick).
DeleteFor me, these kind of situation are not a PK if
A) the defending player is not commited to a kick (just running) or
B) the attacker puts his leg inbetween from very far away, tripping the other player.
An example of both happened this weekend in the Bundesliga: https://youtu.be/0nIvki_QoBA?t=269
In my opinion, this is rather not a PK. Both players are in similar positions to play the ball, both go to the ball and kind of „collide“. The defender acts a little stupid and the attacker is looking for an easy contact to go down. If DCG whistles this one on the field, it is clearly no wrong, but I don‘t think there should be an intervention and an OFR, clearly grey area.
DeleteAfter looking at it in slow motions a few times, it looks more and more deliberate by the defender but also after OFR, it would have been better, not to give the PK in my opinion.
Laughable call. It's a clear foul by the attacker. Yellow for simulation would be even better. He creates the contact and stick out his leg.
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