Referee appointment for Matchday 4 of 2021-22 UEFA Women's Champions League.
18:45 CET - Sinsheim (Dietmar-Hopp Stadion)
TSG 1899 Hoffenheim (GER) - FC Barcelona (ESP) | Group C
18:45 CET - Gothenburg (Bravida Stadium)
Referee: Ivana Martinčić (CRO)
Assistant Referee 1: Sanja Rodjak-Karšić (CRO)
Assistant Referee 2: Maja Petravić (CRO)
Fourth Official: Jelena Kumer (CRO)
Assistant Referee 1: Sanja Rodjak-Karšić (CRO)
Assistant Referee 2: Maja Petravić (CRO)
Fourth Official: Jelena Kumer (CRO)
UEFA Referee Observer: Katarzyna Wierzbowska (POL)
UEFA Delegate: Natalya Vorobyova (BLR)
BK Häcken FF (SWE) - SL Benfica (POR) - | Group D
Referee: Jana Adámková (CZE)
Assistant Referee 1: Lucie Ratajová (CZE)
Assistant Referee 2: Nikol Šafránková (CZE)
Fourth Official: Lucie Šulcová (CZE)
Assistant Referee 1: Lucie Ratajová (CZE)
Assistant Referee 2: Nikol Šafránková (CZE)
Fourth Official: Lucie Šulcová (CZE)
UEFA Referee Observer: Elke Günthner (GER)
UEFA Delegate: Francesca Sanzone (ITA)
Arsenal Women FC (ENG) - HB Køge (DEN) | Group C
Referee: Kateryna Monzul (UKR)
Assistant Referee 1: Maryna Striletska (UKR)
Assistant Referee 2: Svitlana Grushko (UKR)
Fourth Official: Anastasiya Romanyuk (UKR)
Assistant Referee 1: Maryna Striletska (UKR)
Assistant Referee 2: Svitlana Grushko (UKR)
Fourth Official: Anastasiya Romanyuk (UKR)
UEFA Referee Observer: Sofia Karagiorgi (CYP)
UEFA Delegate: Ingrida Siliuniene (LTU)
21:00 CET - Munich (FC Bayern Campus)
FC Bayern München (GER) - Olympique Lyonnais (FRA) | Group D
Referee: Lina Lehtovaara (FIN)
Assistant Referee 1: Heini Hyvönen (FIN)
Assistant Referee 2: Tonja Paavola (FIN)
Fourth Official: Sini Hakala (FIN)
Assistant Referee 1: Heini Hyvönen (FIN)
Assistant Referee 2: Tonja Paavola (FIN)
Fourth Official: Sini Hakala (FIN)
UEFA Referee Observer: Dilan Gökçek (TUR)
UEFA Delegate: Nina Hedlund (NOR)
18 November 2021
18:45 CET - Wolfsburg (Wolfsburg Stadium)
VfL Wolfsbug (GER) - Juventus (ITA) | Group A
Referee: Marta Huerta De Aza (ESP)
Assistant Referee 1: Guadalupe Porras Ayuso (ESP)
Assistant Referee 2: Eliana Fernández González (ESP)
Fourth Official: Ainara Andrea Acevedo Dudley (ESP)
Assistant Referee 1: Guadalupe Porras Ayuso (ESP)
Assistant Referee 2: Eliana Fernández González (ESP)
Fourth Official: Ainara Andrea Acevedo Dudley (ESP)
UEFA Referee Observer: Hilda McDermott (IRL)
UEFA Delegate: Elena Kobak (RUS)
18:45 CET - Kópavogur (Kópavogsvöllur)
Breiðablik (ISL) - WFC Kharkiv (UKR) | Group B
Referee: Lorraine Watson (SCO)
Assistant Referee 1: Vikki Michelle Allan (SCO)
Assistant Referee 2: Vikki Robertson (SCO)
Fourth Official: Hannah Mclean (SCO)
Assistant Referee 1: Vikki Michelle Allan (SCO)
Assistant Referee 2: Vikki Robertson (SCO)
Fourth Official: Hannah Mclean (SCO)
UEFA Referee Observer: Caroline De Boeck (BEL)
UEFA Delegate: Sonia Testaguzza (SUI)
Referee: Hristiyana Guteva (BUL)
Assistant Referee 1: Ekaterina Marinova (BUL)
Assistant Referee 2: Pavleta Rashkova (BUL)
Fourth Official: Galiya Echeva (BUL)
Assistant Referee 1: Ekaterina Marinova (BUL)
Assistant Referee 2: Pavleta Rashkova (BUL)
Fourth Official: Galiya Echeva (BUL)
UEFA Referee Observer: Miroslava Migalova (SVK)
UEFA Delegate: Depi Koxenoglou (GRE)
21:00 CET - Madrid (Estadio Alfredo Di Stéfano)
Real Madrid CF (ESP) - Paris Saint-Germain (FRA) | Group B
Referee: Cheryl Foster (WAL)
Assistant Referee 1: Ceri Louise Williams (WAL)
Assistant Referee 2: Michelle O'Neill (IRL)
Fourth Official: Rebecca Welch (ENG)
Assistant Referee 1: Ceri Louise Williams (WAL)
Assistant Referee 2: Michelle O'Neill (IRL)
Fourth Official: Rebecca Welch (ENG)
UEFA Referee Observer: Kirsi Heikkinen (FIN)
UEFA Delegate: Fiona Pförtke (GER)
CHI-ECU (RC-Vidal)
ReplyDeletehttps://streamable.com/hka67l
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BOL-URU (YC-Gonzalez)
https://streamja.com/PJgqz
Vidal knew what was coming. Wholesome reaction by him, but of course very dangerous.
DeleteHere a clip from Otamendi vs. Raphinha, nothing given:
Deletehttps://streamable.com/rf2o6y (clear RC, this kind of 'challenge' seems to happen more often in CONMEBOL)
Despite VAR, football rules work differently in South America and Africa. Unbelievable!!
DeleteIf your surprised/amazed by what happens in South America. Do yourself a favor and never watch anything from CONCACAF. You're sure to be appalled by the negligence on display.
DeleteHad Sian Massey Ellis retired???
ReplyDeleteInjured according to PGMOL Instagram page.
DeleteCONMEBOL goes on with public suspensions, I read from Arbitro Internacional that Tobar, Cunha and Ostojich have been suspended.
ReplyDeleteNow Cunha, appointed as VAR for Libertadores final, should be replaced, I think. However, in my opinion that's not how it should work.
I can't find this news on https://internationalreferee.blogspot.com/?_sm_au_=iQWDJ9nm2Q0rrNB9cLpsvK618Vf61
Deletecan you share the right link ?
You should follow the Twitter account to be always updated in real time!
Deletehttps://twitter.com/ArbitroInteBlog
Thanks for this report, the replay you linked indeed makes the situation a very clear penalty, with a challenge directly on opponent, without touching ball, but then I don't understand why this wasn't shown to Letexier, who was in doubt exactly for that, from the other replays you could have a different perception. So, the OFR is correct, but the best replay should have been sent to referee, insisting on it as main picture for the final call.
DeleteThe OFR is indeed correct.
That's exactly how I think! :)
DeleteAre Tobar, Cunha and Ostojich indefinitely suspended only from CONMEBOL competitions or all appointments, including FIFA?
DeleteThe suspensions should apply to any and all competitions. It's the only way to send a clear message.
DeleteFurthermore, their suspensions are warranted and I applaud the CONMEBOL Referee Committee for finally holding referees accountable.
It would be amazing if CONCACAF did what CONMEBOL does. But we first of all need to have a true (non delusional) leader in charge of the CONCACAF Referee Committee.
DeleteTwo situations from Gibraltar - Latvia first half, referee Espen Eskås (NOR).
ReplyDeleteUnluckily very poor broadcasting, missing in replays and the quality of video (audio is not synchronized) is not the best, I apologize for that.
27' VAR check for a possible RC, the info about VAR control appeared and referee stopped game for a while:
https://streamja.com/Zp9AO
Poor management of this situation when a clear reckless (at least) action was totally missed by officials. With referee far away, AR1 looked to be focused on another situation and he couldn't help.
VAR very likely assessed that it was borderline but not clear RC, unluckily, as said, no replay at all.
42' Penalty appeal for handball
https://streamja.com/kqBd2
I think that referee missed the incident, when it happened he was still making the advantage gesture for a previous possible foul. VAR checked this situation as well and then game was resumed. It looks like, despite of the lack of very conclusive replay, that ball hit rather body and not arm.
There could be other situations in second half, let's see whether I can manage to download it.
To complete the report, second half crucial decisions.
Delete87' Disallowed goal by AR1, correct decision, VAR confirmed
https://streamja.com/p6Bd9
90'+2 Penalty appeal, play on, VAR checked and supported
https://streamja.com/bJBgv
I think one can agree with Play On, very soft push from behind, correct by VAR to stay silent, however I would have liked to see more reaction by Eskas in this circumstance. You can see him rather waiting for VAR than really "selling" his decision to players. Being back at the mentioned situation in first half (possible red card) I think indeed he should try to show more his presence to players, otherwise he could look "weak".
I think that after a quite long time without a Norwegian in Category 1, maybe time has come for him, at least to replace Moen, demoted to Cat. 2.
92' softest of pushes in the back. Correct to not give a PK in my oppinion, even if the defender was in the much worse position.
DeleteOT
ReplyDeleteFabio Verissimo (UEFA 1st) will handle the big SL derby AEK - Olympiakos on Sunday. His assistants are Bruno Jesus and Pedro Mota. VAR is Tiago Martins.
Also Roi Reinshreiber (UEFA 1st) will handle the ARIS-Pas Giannina match. Assistants are David Bitton and Sagy Metzaber. VAR is Ziv Adler.
And what about Volos - OFI? Thanks in advance.
DeleteVolos - OFI
DeleteManouchos, Buxbaum, Triantafyllou, Papadopoulos (Gkamaris, Samoilis).
Thank you again, greek ref!
DeleteSome very interesting fixtures coming up in MD5 of the UEFA CL.
ReplyDelete*Chelsea – Juve are fighting for the nr.1 spot. The same applies to Man. City – PSG
*Barca – Benfica is important for the 2nd place
*Group F and G are very close and wide open; 4 important matches
*Sporting – BVB are fighting for a knock-out spot in group C
*Also nothing is decided in Group D (between Real / Inter / Sheriff).
*Atletico Madrid – AC Milan is an interesting hot clash on its own.
That being said, a lot important matches and I don’t think any risks will be taken and we may even expect some Refs that have officiated 3 games already.
I’m waiting to see Anthony Taylor and Carlos DCG again (both 1 CL match so far).
Maybe Vincic and Orsato for a 3rd game.
One of Zwayer/Aytekin or Siebert before he leaves to the Asian cup.
MD6 also got a few important hot clashes that need Top elite refs. I'm curious to find out what will be decided. Very hard to predict :D
The games for first and second place in the group (Chelsea - Juventus and City - PSG) give the opportunity to committee to appoint different names. I don't think that importance will be given to placement and so I'm very curious, maybe in such clashes it will be possible to see referees like Jovanovic and other Category 1 who are fighting for a promotion. Maybe the Serbian a good choice for Stamford Bridge.
DeleteYes, fair point! 3rd place is not at risk. I hope they appoint a cat 1 to those games.
DeleteThey obviously need more elite refs used as elite ref.
Despite of Malmo being on that Group Chelsea - Juventus could be a match for Ekberg before his promotion on December.
DeleteI'm very curious about the appointments too. Especially for:
Delete-Taylor (I'm almost shocked that he had only 1 game);
-del Cerro Grande (I`m wondering how strong will be the match will get - top clash or low profile game after the mistake from his only UCL game this season so far);
- Kovacs ( I`m curious if he will get another game. In Seville he had major problems but he was pretty good in NIR-ITA)
- Zwayer ( maybe an important game as compensation for the missed ENG-ALB ? sure, if he is not still injured)
- Brych ( I`m a little confused about the management in his case this autumn, I really don`t know what to predict)
- Cakir ( I think we`ll see him again in MD5)
@Matei14 Zwayer isn't injured. He got sick but I don't know if it's covid or not. Far as I know he is fine so maybe we gonna see him on champions. Let's hope
DeleteUnknown
Delete*Arabic Cup.
Not the Asian Cup. Asian Cup will be held in 2023.
Saturday, November 20
ReplyDeleteGiresunspor (17.) - Yeni Malatyaspor (16.)
Cüneyt Çakır - Bahattin Duran - Tarık Ongun - Ramazan Keleş
Sunday, November 21
DeleteGalatasaray (4.) - Fenerbahçe (7.)
Halil Umut Meler - Mustafa Emre Eyisoy - İbrahim Çağlar Uyarcan - Erkan Özdamar
Poland Referee Ex MD18
DeleteSaturday, 20.11
Marciniak (Sokolnicki, Nejman)
Sunday, 21.11
Raczkowski (Siejka, Kupsik)
Monday, 22.11
Frankowski (Winkler, Borkowski) VAR Marciniak + Sokolnicki
Question from a Dutch ref watcher
ReplyDeleteIn our country it is assumed to be quite ‘normal’ that a ref is interviewed after a football game in Eredivisie. But not when the performance is GREAT; only in case of crucial mistakes, discutable moments - then in front of a camera they can admit they made a mistake. As someone who truly loves and admires the job of a referee, I’m astonished by this.
I also hate the fact that old referees like f.e. van der Ende are evaluating and criticizing the performance of our current referees. I mean, WHY?
Instead of supporting and appreciating them, or selling the beautiful profession, it is critism EVERY week. Over and over again (and not in an objective way).
On the other hand, I like the fact that some of the refs are visible in f.e. talkshows, explaining the rules and try to enthuse youth to become a referee. Also on YouTube, there are plenty of clips where refs are interviewed. I like to watch those - it is a great inspiration for me as well.
Bas Nijhuis used to be a regular guest in (one of the more a humorous) talkshows. For some reason I haven’t seen him a lot lately; maybe KNVB does not like his presence.
I have mixed feelings. His visibility was tricky; they are often talking about games of his colleagues and ask his opinion regarding their ‘mistakes’. Bas is well known for his lenient style and not always ‘respecting’ the rules of the game, but as a personality I like him a lot. I think the visibility of top refs can be (somehow) very good, because unfortunately the complicated job of a referee is totally not liked and ‘appreciated’ as it should.
Holland is not like Italië f.e. where all whistles and key match incidents are evaluated in News papers. I can see refs getting a rating at sports websites or and in newspapers, but sport journalists never add an explanation. However, all the mistakes of a Ref/VAR are thorough evaluated in talkshows. When someone had a good game, it is never mentioned. I actually hate this approach a bit to be honest, because a ref is very important element in the beautiful game called football. But there is nothing we can do about it.
The fact that Refs stand in front of a camera is not very common it other countries, isnt it?
In Germany, referees sometimes do post-match interviews to explain controversial (or just complicated) decisions. This could be defending their decision or admitting an error - both happens.
DeleteAfter normal matches without critical incidents they are not interviewed.
The former referees, who work as experts, mostly try to give balanced views on referee performances.
Some active referees appear in TV shows, but mostly talk or personality formats, where the topic is refereeing and/or the specific referee. They normally don't discuss recent critical scenes from other referees' matches. However they e.g. don't take part as contestant in game shows or similar.
The referee performances are regularly evaluated by some media, sometimes with explanation, sometimes without.
In TV, the commentators sometimes mention good performances by the referee (in my perception increasingly often).
In Italy, you already said that, referees are deeply analyzed by all media and newspapers, with marks, assessments and all about that. The very negative thing is the big focus on them, the positive thing is that at least it is reported when they have good games, with positive evaluations. However, when marks and judgments are given for a positive officiating, they never consider the real difficulty of the game, because not referees expert, so the positive assessment is written always with the same words and with an expected level mark (in UEFA, the classic 8.4, in Italy 6).
DeleteAbout TV, it is strictly forbidden to go to release interviews, a referee who does that, without asking for permission, and not only in TV, but also private interviews, newspapers, is sbject of disciplinary action, mostly suspended for a certain time.
What I don't like about Italian rules is that the referees are so limited in terms of freedom, and you can easily understand how much this allow newspapers in writing what they want, even the worst things. AIA has been always silent in the years, an association that doesn't want to meet some modern aspects, always closed in itself. Also in terms of communication, absolutely 0. By a long time, they are promising, I can make this example, to explain some decisions from serie A games, but this never happend. More generally, looking at the level of communication of almost all the other associations, I think that AIA is definitely in the last places of this "ranking".
With Trentalange I hoped something new, but nothing so far.
It looks like they are afraid of showing more themselvers.
This is the situation of Italian referees - surely a very difficult one if you ask me, and that's why they must be very strong with character in order to officiate in serie A and especially big games, but I really would like to see new actions, new ideas, and a modern future.
The main problem is also that when a referee has a good game nobody is interested in him, as well as nobody is interested in all the other aspect of being a referee. Just blaming them fro wrong decisions... that's really sad.
Over all, this sounds much (!) better than in Netherlands. With such an approach the job is more appreciated and therefore more interesting for people in general.
DeleteI would like to see more appreciation for referees in general - in our press.
Honestly they almost never notify a good performance. Like it’s not in our culture(?). Refs should be invisible.
Also, I don’t like hearing the negative opinions of former refs. They should know how complicated this job is. Besides that, nowadays the game is much more faster and more physical. There are more camera’s and a VAR who is watching over their shoulders. OFR’s in packed stadiums, they should revise decisions, etc. I don’t understand why former refs in my country need to talk so negative, instead of supporting and appreciating the current generation. It is really annoying me.
@ 19:02 I commented to Philipp. I must say, I really like the German approach.
Delete@ Chefren: It is great that a GOOD performance is notified in Italy. I like that. The refs job should be appreciated. Maybe a referee in Italy is more appreciated (under a magnifying glass) because of some great Refs (role models) in Italian history(?). Or based on some scandals in the past.
Sometimes when I see the ratings in our NL local news pers/websites (for example Aad.nl/vi.nl) I’m really surprised and think: "Dude, did you really watch the game?" It is often a club watcher who provides the ratings, so ... Very subjective.
On the other hand, I do like the visibility of our Refs in talkshows (as long as they don't talk about the performance of their colleagues...). Positive note: We were able to hear the communication of the Refs and VAR’s. We could also hear the communication between Refs and players ("troublemakers"). This was really inspiring and hopefully, it increases the appreciation of a referee.
Some examples of talkshows on Youtube (in Dutch):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uT_DPCw0T3c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFI1g9mTZPI
I really liked watching these clips. I like to hear Refs talking about their experiences and their job in general. It made me enthusiastic and appreciating their jobs even more. Visibility of Refs can be a good thing; for sure in a country where referees are not appreciated so much. But - if I understand correctly - this is not very common in other countries.
* ad.nl / vi.nl
DeleteAnother follow-through SFP for us - this time from the Panama vs. El Salvador WCQ handled by Marco Ortíz (MEX). What do you think?
ReplyDeletehttps://twitter.com/ramosrizo/status/1461009184565125121
This is not a RC for me. The attacker is clearly in possession of the ball and the defender knows that he is going to strike the ball. The defender with a late block movement towards the attacker. So no RC. I can live with a YC but that seems harsh as all strikers would try to score from this position.
DeleteIt would be interesting, if VAR should intervene, if a goal is scored. What do you think Mikael?
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ReplyDeleteAfter Emmanouil Skoulas who retired, another Greek SL referee (Gratsanis) made a statement announcing that he is unavailable for appointments until this summer. He blames Clattenburg for the whole situation and states that
"I can't co-operate with a man who takes apart Greek refereeing".
Greek referees need help. Klattenburg should be stopped. We cannot continu like this. Get him out please.
DeleteChelsea - Servette
ReplyDelete70:10 and 81:20 - two very dark yellow cards to Amandine Soulard (Servette). The first one for SPA-holding and the second one for reckless tackle. A straight red card would be acceptable as well in both cases (DOGSO and SFP respectively). What card would you prefer if you were the referee?
70:10 - IMO, correct decision. Ball goes to the side, there are two defenders, there is no criteria fulfilled for it to be DOGSO:RC.
Delete81:20 - While hitting point and position of the foot would require a RC for SFP, I would actually stick here with YC. Excellent decision by the referee to caution this foul at all, I have the feeling that such challenges - as long as the player doesn't fall - go unnoticed. Well done!
I agree. Borderline in both cases, but YCs are supportable.
DeleteIn the first situation there is the fact that the GK is out of position and the goal is therefore empty, but it is not a 100% DOGSO for me. But RC would not be wrong.
And the low intensity make a YC more correct for me in the second incident, despite the hitting point. And I agree with Anonymus here, well done by referee! Well spotted (probably helped by 4O?) and also good to not wait here even if it would be possible. I prefer 2YC to be immedeatly given if there is not a very clear and promising advantage.
71': https://youtu.be/HFSet1v1gOI?t=5562
Delete82': https://youtu.be/HFSet1v1gOI?t=6245
Guys, but any predictions for the Champions League matches on Tuesday and Wednesday?
ReplyDeleteMine are (VAR in brackets)
DeleteDinamo-Bayern: Meler (Kalkavan)
Villareal-ManUnited: Siebert (Fritz)
Barcelona-Benfica: Vincic (Dankert)
Bern-Atalanta: Bastien (Delajod)
Lille-Salzburg: Karasev (Martinez)
Sevilla-Wolfsburg: Gözübüyük (Kamphuis)
Malmö-Zenit: Jovanovic (van Boekel)
Chelsea-Juventus: Turpin (Letexier)
Besiktas-Ajax: Guida (Mariani)
Inter-Donetsk: Soares Dias (Pinheiro)
ManCity-Paris: Orsato (Valeri)
Brugge-Leipzig: Hategan (di Bello)
Liverpool-Porto: Frankowski (Raczkowski)
Atletico-Milan: Ekberg (Dingert)
Sporting-Dortmund: del Cerro Grande (Hernandez)
Tiraspol-Real: Marciniak (Kwiatkowski)
Maybe time to introduce new face(s) to UCL?
DeleteLooking at the Ekstraklasa appointments, I think that both Marciniak and Frankowski will be out this matchday but it seems that Raczkowski will be somewhere in UEFA competitions next week (Wednesday or Thursday).
DeleteRegarding debuts: Is there anybody "in the pipeline", who is quite expected to make his CL debut this season? I don't really think so.
DeleteThe most likely might be Rumsas?
Oh yes, certainly, Rumsas could certainly make his debut. Rosetti specifically went to Monte Carlo to evaluate him.
DeleteI think Mariani with a possible debut, but this week he has a serie B game on Sunday evening, so rather no CL. Possible only for Wednesday games, but very likely, in case of debut, he could be planned for MD6.
DeletePeljto or Mariani
DeleteMaybe Nyberg?
DeleteNow is the time for Peljto. He deserves his oportunity
DeleteSomebody asked about Yuste Jiménez I read here:
ReplyDeletehttps://twitter.com/pavelfernandez_/status/1461663919953559555
After three months of stop for health problems, he is back.
Very good news.
http://refereeingworld.blogspot.com/2021/11/safa-ndiaye-investigated-by-fifa.html?m=1
ReplyDeleteThe chances of seeing Ndiaye in the Qatar World Cup seem to be fading
Felix Brych (FIFA Elite) will be in charge of today's prestigious Berlin derby in Bundesliga; full assignment:
ReplyDelete18:30 Union Berlin - Hertha BSC
Felix Brych - Mark Borsch, Stefan Lupp - Patrick Ittrich
[Sven Jablonski, Thomas Stein]
In addition, German officials appear in Saudi Arabia with Dankert (FIFA 2nd) being in charge of a match in Saudi Professional League:
17:40 Al-Nasr FC - Al-Raed FC
Bastian Dankert - Marco Achmüller, Dominik Schaal - Mohammed Al Esmaiel
VAR is Sascha Stegemann
Deletehttps://twitter.com/isaacfouto/status/1462090316094259207
ReplyDeleteCarlos Velasco Carballo will leave his Spanish position to join UEFA Referees Committee?
If I remember well, he was the head of VAR at EURO earlier this year. This means Rosetti has a huge trust in him therefore I am not surprised if this will happened. It is only a question if someone will leave Ref Com (I doubt it will be Sajn or Damkova, maybe Dallas?). But then, maybe they will all be in Committee.
DeleteThere's some contradiction among the sources. Cadena Cope and Isaac Fouto say that Velasco quits because he's been offered a higher-profile position in UEFA/FIFA, Mundo Deportivo and Ramón Fuentes say that he's just being dismissed by RFEF president Luis Rubiales because their mutual relationship and trust has soured since VC sided with Rosetti/UEFA in the Nations League final incident.
DeleteBoth agree that VC is out and Medina Cantalejo (until now president of Andalusian regional referees committee and CTA-RFEF board member) is #1 candidate to replace him.
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ReplyDeleteHere a scheme that is helpful for all these situations from penalty spot:
Deletehttps://ibb.co/1v5nvKX
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DeleteYes, but in reality you can see that this rule is very difficult to apply, now with VAR it is possible to enforce the decisions, but bfore it was impossible if you ask me. The very minimum encroachments can't be spotted directly by referee in most of the cases.
DeleteThe ratio behind this rule is that if an infringment occurs, it must be always punished, so no matter that both teams have committeed it. The onlyy clear cases in which this would be a nosense are indeed regulated in a different way: when only defender commits infringement but attacker scores, clearly goal is given because it would be absurd to retake the penalty.
The rest, when infringments are simulteous, is a rather delicate topic, fur sure, but these are the rules.
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DeleteRe:
DeleteDo you say that if the rebound is scored by an attacker that did not encroach, the goal stands, even though his teammates have encroached?
No, absolutely not, in case of infringement by teammate in this case, indirect free kick to defender because it belongs to category "penalty saved / missed and infringment by ONLY attacking team". If both infringments from also defenders as well, retaken.
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The effect of a penalty ends once it is saved, so what happens later technically can't be considered as related to penalty.
To make it clear, in case of a penalty saved by keeper, when keeper saves, penalty is over. So for this reason, what happens later belongs to the game and not the penalty. Then, the analysis about what to do after a kick must be followed made on the scheme I posted and you can find in the LotG.
With VAR now it is easier to check that and there is particular attention given to players that encroach and they are involved directly after a save by keeper or miss by penalty taker. But if you only look at LotG you have to consider the end of a penalty when the shot and its execution are complete.
Under this aspect, in my opinion an intelligent change of LotG would be to isolate the penalties to be kicked during a game, comparing them to the sequence used for deciding a winner.
Kick, then goal / miss / save and game stopped, with a new start according to outcome.
Indeed the difficulty of managing such situations is related to the very hybrid nature of what happens after a penalty missed during a game.
According to Turkish media news Halil Umut Meler has been appointed to Dynamo Kyiv - Bayern game on Tuesday. But he has also been appointed to derby game Galatasaray-Fenerbahce game tomorrow evening. Turkish FA got special permission for him. Another news, there will be min 2 changes at FIFA refs for Turkey. One is Halis Özkaya as he retired. The other name is rumoured to be Abdulkadir Bitigen. He will remain as FIFA VAR. We will wait and see.
ReplyDeleteIn the 2nd Bundesliga top clash Werder Bremen - Schalke there was a penalty given after OFR in the last minute.
ReplyDeleteReferee: Stieler VAR: Dingert
https://streamja.com/OBJ1p (not the best quality but the best I could find)
Your opinions?
Hum. I don’t see any foul here. Perhaps Stieler with others replays but still doubtful for a PK…
DeleteAbsurd penalty IMO. There is a *very* light contact at the attacker's right foot but he continues running and falls down theatrically when he realizes that he cannot come to a promising opportunity anymore.
DeleteVery likely, the explanation for the OFR is that Stieler percieved "no contact" and as Dingert found clear evidence of a contact, he assessed it as missed/wrong perception incident. However, this is never a penalty for me; so despite the contact and its perception, this shouldn't be an OFR-worthy incident..
Stieler has the final responsibility and I can't really understand that he didn't stick with his initial decision.
Absolutely wrong OFR, Dingert shouldn't have given importance to the fact that Stieler had had a different perception - if this is reason for the call - because the incident stays as absolutely not enough for a clear and obvious mistake. Soft contact and very difficult to spot. Dankert wouldn't have called this OFR, I'm sure.
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Correcy by VAR to support, but it shouldn't have been whistled, mistake by referee who had surely another perception of the incident. I must say, technically in recent times Del Cerro has been very often too poor.
DeleteThis is clearly why I think that VAR is seriously damaging football. We all say that this is not a penalty but at the same time we say VAR is correct?!?!?! This is a complete nonsense and it is wrong on so many levels. We simply accept that a wrong decision is OK according to the football authorities... My controversial idea is that VAR should be used only for offsides and only until this process becomes authomatic - technical system is already developing. Most controversies comes when people know there is VAR which can take the most appropriate decision but still it only justifies and confirms a referee's mistake. This is so irritating and simply makes VAR useless and puts much negativism over the referees.
DeleteVery poor Del Cerro in recent times, agree with Chefren. I don't like at all this kind of penalties
DeleteCan anybody explain me why Turkey change Fifa referees so fast, on example after two years?
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