Sunday 30 June 2024

UEFA EURO 2024 Match 39: Spain - Georgia (discussion)

The French referee will officiate his third game in the tournament, Spain - Georgia. He will be observed by Roberto Rosetti.  

         

Game 39, Round of 16
Cologne, 30 June 2024 21:00 CET
SPAIN - GEORGIA 
Referee: François Letexier FRA
Assistant Referee 1: Cyril Mugnier FRA 
Assistant Referee 2: Mehdi Rahmouni FRA 
Fourth Official: Serdar Gözübüyük NED
Reserve Assistant Referee: Johan Balder NED 
Video Assistant Referee: Jérôme Brisard FRA
Assistant Video Assistant Referee 1: Willy Delajod FRA
Assistant Video Assistant Referee 2: Paolo Valeri ITA
UEFA Referee Observer: Roberto Rosetti ITA 
UEFA Delegate: Paolo Rondelli SMR 

65 comments:

  1. OT: Does anyone know where in Germany the referees are staying? The 24 teams have accommodation all over Germany, but you don't read where the referees live and train?

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    1. "During the tournament referees, referee assistants and support referees will have their base camp in Frankfurt. The video match officials will be based in Leipzig, where during the matches they will operate from the International Broadcast Centre."

      https://www.uefa.com/news-media/news/028c-1ab861ea105d-1af970c69ec4-1000--referee-teams-for-uefa-euro-2024-appointed/

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    2. They stay in the Kempinski Hotel in Gravenbruch near Offenbach. During the World Cup 2006, the referees stayed there too.

      https://www.op-online.de/sport/lokalsport/schiedsrichter-camp-im-sana-sportpark-das-25-team-trainiert-in-offenbach-93116935.html

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  2. 31' correct decision, no penalty. Yellow card for simulation possible.

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    1. Would have preferred YC here for simulation but most important decision is no PK.

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    2. IMO no YC is better, as there was a small contact, which justifies the fall.

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  3. Letexiers pace keeping up with counter attacks is impressive so far. Would be interesting to see if he can do it 120 minutes.

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  4. PAIs:

    24': Potential YC for ESP #7 for Dissent. After he tripped GEO Player, commiting a careless foul he showed the "Dive Gesture". He is the captain, however this could've been a YC for Dissent in my opinion.

    31': Potential YC for #22 GEO. Clipping the feet of ESP player, looking for contact. To me this looked very much like Diving.

    Apart from that good control of Letexier.

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  5. Doesn't Morata influence action by being offside for Spain equaliser ?

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    1. I think his last step to the right, just before the ball leaves Rodri's foot, saves him

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    2. No. If we exclude offside position, IMO not a single element for offside

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    3. No and why not.?
      Was not in the goalkeeper's field of vision nor in his immediate vicinity. Also did not actively intervene in the game. Completely different than in France - Netherlands where the player was hindering the goalkeeper and only 2 meters from him

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  6. it is another time, that Letexier gives YC to a sitting player and it bothers me, despite its very clear and expected decision.

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  7. What are your thoughts about the equalizer? I don't think no offside is a wrong decision, but the goalkeeper was adjusting his position to get to look at the ball because Morata is blocking the view and was still in the movement in the wrong direction for that, when Pedri touches the ball.

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    1. Yes, my first reaction was, that everything before Rodri's shot is irrelevant.
      But actually, Morata is already in an offside position, when Rodri makes his first touch - and he is in the GK's line of vision at that moment. Quite unusual, but theoretically this could be seen as a punishable offside.

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  8. Wasn't this 1-1 exactly the same as the disallowed goal of the Netherlands against France?

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    1. It's not the same but I like the way you are thinking :)

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    2. Big difference between the two for me. NED - FRA the decision was made Onfield. The player is even closer to the GK in that incident as well. So they did have a VAR check. But not enough to make it a clear and obvious mistake hence onfield stands. Same here to me.

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    3. Isn't an OFR the best option in this case then? Just because its a very important moment in a knock-out round.

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    4. @de_ref
      "So they did have a VAR check"

      There is always VAR check after the goal is scored, so called "silent check".

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  9. No and why not. for the second time:
    Was not in the goalkeeper's field of vision nor in his immediate vicinity. Also did not actively intervene in the game. Completely different than in France - Netherlands where the player was hindering the goalkeeper and only 2 meters from him

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    1. Imo, he was in the goalkeepers vision until the goalkeeper moved to the right and bent his head to the side which minimized chances of him getting the ball.

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    2. The most important element was the fact that he was even outside the target area and not blocking the field of vision of the goealkeeper. These are also the criteria as given by UEFA . But I do agree that these kind of situiations mostly lead to discussions

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    3. I think the situation is completely different from the offside in the Netherland-France match.
      The Spanish player in an offside position was not in the path of the ball, nor did he move in any way that crossed its trajectory. He was close to the trajectory and made further movements away from it. I don't think it will obstruct the keeper's view.
      At least, I don't see any reason to punish him.

      I think the important thing is whether or not 'a player in an offside position is trying to play the ball (or making an avoiding move)'.

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    4. https://streambug.org/cv/45b742
      1:32

      -Preventing an opponent from playing or being able to play the ball by CLEARLY obstructing the opponent’s line of vision

      IMO this is not clear and good decision on the field

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    5. @Anass
      I agree, to totaly different reasons for the offside offence.

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  10. Spain's goal:
    https://streambug.org/cv/45b742

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  11. The equalizer goal was offside morata movement and position make the gk blind . I think var crew make wrong decisions by not calling ref to ofr

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  12. Ball goes inside position of player so his presence has no affect on GK

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    1. The goalkeeper was clearly affected by Morata, there is no discussion about that imo, you can see him moving to the right to look around Morata. The thing is, that happened half a second before Rodri's shot. Is it still punishable then? It affected his chances of getting the ball imo

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    2. It wasn't clearly affected or we have different opinion what is clear :)

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    3. Maybe clearly was a bit to strongly worded, but you can definetly see him bending his head to the right in an unusual way and stepping to the right to get a clear view in the camera from behind the goal

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    4. As he bended his head, he saw the ball... :)

      And if it's not clear, then it's not an offence

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    5. He saw the ball in the moment of the shot, I'm not denying that. But he needed to behave unusually to do so, because of Morata blocking his view in the seconds before, so he was affected by him. Is it enough for offside? I'm leaning towards yes, but it's no clear mistake either to allow the goal imo.

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  13. IMO the offside law has been relaxed too much in favour of attacking players -> such cases when a player in an offside position is sooo close to the ball has to influence GK in some way and should be deemed as active offside, imo -> but according to current wording and interpretation allowing the goal is at least OK decision.

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    1. In situation like this is favorable to give the ref another look on the screen

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  14. I think disallowing the goal would have been supported by VAR as well, but in the case of allowed goal, so possible that AR didn't assess the player in offside, an OFR was possible. It stays as grey area, so impossible to talk about mistake or not. The player with that movement tried to give free view to keeper but indeed this couldn't be enough. In past, more easily such offside would have been whistled.

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  15. Before 2nd half Georgia talk with lextier

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  16. I think missed YC for GEO #18, reckless tackle, around 56.

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  17. After a good first caution to ESP#7 for the step on foot in the first half the late and reckless tackle of GEO#18 on the edge of the penalty area should ideally have resulted in a caution as well.

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  18. Correct YC for GEO9, cynical kick.

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  19. Great offside AR1, very tight

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  20. Ref's fitness is immense. Very impressed

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  21. Excellent call by the looks of it for no handling outside the area by the Spain keeper, helped by excellent positioning by Letexier his ability to keep up is remarkable

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    1. Imo, allowing him to pick the ball up a 2nd time was wrong because dropping it was a strategical decision and not the consequence of a safe.
      Also mentioned by former world best goalkeeper Almuth Schult on German TV.

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  22. Great fitness and positioning so far

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  23. Very good performance by Letexier. Excellent fitness,technical aspect, all YC correctly issued, some excellent AR decision. However, he showed that he is future NO 1. UEFA ref, but I think that this is his last game at EURO. I will made prediciton for two quarterfinals that are set:

    Germany- Spain: Anthony Taylor
    England-Swiss: Slavko Vincic

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    1. ROU/NED-AUS/TUR: Turpin
      POR/SVN-FRA/BEL: ???

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    2. Letexier is very complete as a referee despite his age. Not only is his positioning and fitness excellent, but his overall game management is incredible. He trusts his decisions and manages the players and situations in a way similar to a more experienced referee like Orsato (lenient when possible, using game management rather than cards). Has everything it takes to reach the absolute top of UEFA refereeing in the future if he continues like this.

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    3. Marciniak would be the obvious choice for POR/SVN-FRA/BEL, if UEFA only goes with big names for the QF.

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    4. SF's on that side will be an interesting choice. Assuming Orsato saved for final. Especially if France are involved ruling out Turpin. That leaves Marciniak/Vincic (really) and Taylor. Both Marciniak and Taylor will be on the QF on that side. That leaves only Vincic as an option without repeating a referee with same teams.

      Turpin is a lock in the event of no France.

      Personally I think it will be (assuming favourites go through)

      ESP-GER: Taylor
      ROU/NED-AUS/TUR: Turpin
      POR/SVN-FRA/BEL: Marciniak
      ENG-SWI: Vincic

      SF

      ESP/GER side: Vincic (Turpin if no France)
      ENG/SWI side: Marciniak (Taylor possible if no England)

      Final

      Orsato (Vincic/Turpin if Germany) Marciniak not possible as no one has done EURO and World Cup final





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  24. A point on my part that I, like many others, noticed positively.

    Lexetier is in great physical condition with a beautiful running style. Also an excellent proactive position and therefore almost always in the right place. He is constantly on the move and has explosive sprinting ability. He clearly distinguishes himself from his other colleagues and, partly due to his excellent running ability, there is hardly any comment from the players, because he is always close by, and creates as such a high level of acceptance

    As said by Ref Fot also IMO he displays the future of refereeing and most probably indeed one of the candidates to become number one in Europe.

    I enjoyed it very much .

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  25. This was again a good performance by Letexier, IMO. The match was of normal difficulty, but Letexier ensured full control, gaining absolute respect by the players, and with key decisions correctly taken, at least for me.

    Foul detection was on a good level, with a well chosen and applied line and just a few minor mistakes (e. g. missed impeding foul for GEO in 28'). Like Ref Fot and Profref, I was also impressed with the level of fitness Letexier displayed, with excellent movement and positioning on the FoP and closely monitoring every action and counterattack, which enabled him to mostly take correct decisions. It also added to his prevention skills, which he uses really well, IMO. A good example of prevention by presence, but also maintaining high concentration to the very end, came in 90+2', when Letexier and AR1 correctly felt the potential for altercation and calmed everything in a timely, but calm manner. Such a high level of these soft skills displayed by a young referee is, honestly, remarkable.

    Disciplinary management was optimal in most situations, IMO, with two correct YCs issued in 44' (ESP7, step on foot) and 71' (GEO9, late reckless tackle). Unfortunately, I think he missed a rather clear YC to GEO18 for another late reckless tackle in 57', and this stays as the single relevant mistake of the match for my taste. On the other hand, I'd argue that, although there was certainly room for a caution for simulation to GEO22 in 31', the no card decision probably represents the better option because of the light contact that did occur.

    Speaking about KMIs, I think Letexier and team solved all of them correctly or at least supportably: attacking foul instead of a penalty to GEO in 14'; good play on in the aforementioned situation in 31' (both leg and arm contact were not enough); another good play on in 36', potential penalty for ESP was rightly rejected due to Laporte throwing himself down (amusingly, in the opposite direction of the alleged "push"). As for the 39' goal, I'm on the pro-goal side in this situation: IMO, Morata never became active in his offside position, moving away from ball trajectory and out of the GK's line of sight just in time before the shot by Rodri. Therefore, no offside was the expected and correct decision, IMO, at least according to current guidelines and interpretation (whether this is giving too much leeway to the attacking teams is a question of its own). To add, while the 79' situation with Simon was surely interesting, Letexier's excellent following of play enabled him to correctly perceive that there was no illegal handling of the ball outside the PA. Lastly, both ARs had some nice onside/offside decisions: in addition to the mentioned situation in 39', I would highlight a good onside to allow 2-1 of ESP in 51' by AR1 and a simply excellent offside to cancel a goal of ESP in 74', again by the same assistant.

    In conclusion, a good performance by the whole team IMO, and I think Letexier can be more than content with his overall performance during this tournament.

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    1. Thank you Dukat192 for this most informative and clearly expert analysis of Letexier's technical contribution to making this match, in the opinion of each of my colleagues with whom I watched the game, one of the best games of this tournament. I shared your insights with my friends, and we all appreciated your level and depth of knowledge and analysis of the game, together with the clarity with which you express your opinion. We have been watching/participating in football for about fifty years. We concluded that it would be valuable if every top level match always made available such an insightful report to help supporters understand how referees interpret games. Once again, many, many thank thanks!

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    2. @ V Outre
      That's how we can make refereeing and its understanding better. Join us in doing so
      Lots of pleasure with your comrades in watching the games.

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  26. Everything correct - amazing to watch! Olympics next, surely the final if France not involved and who knows what more in the future, anything is possible

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    1. Yes, I agree with you. Letexier is ready for the Olympic Gold Medal match ... Perhaps Thierry Henry's French national team will not agree ...

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  27. Very poor officiating at Copa América, if we compare Euro, the refereeing in Germany must be assessed as excellent.
    Here another crucial incident for Escobar:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zt2KIt3R0nU
    Minute 02:00, revoking a wrong penalty.

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    1. Escobar is the worst of all, I could not believe that he got a 2nd match...
      In general the main problem is the inconsistency of most, but not all of the refs from Concacaf, most of Conmebol referees are way better. But some of them are too lenient, too. The culture there is more biased on "not disturbing the flow of the game" and only interrupting it after brutal attacks. But the goodones from the bigger leagues in South America have a better foul detection. One ref from Brazil - Sampaio - instead has his very own, unique style since many years - which I like, but many hate...

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  28. Here following the summary of the appointments of Copa America 2024 Group Stage (source: Refereeing World blog)

    Argentina – Canada
    Referee: Jesus Valenzuela (VEN, photo)
    Assistant Referee 1: Jorge Urrego (VEN)
    Assistant Referee 2: Lubin Torrealba (VEN)
    Fourth Official: Ivan Barton (SLV)
    Reserve AR: David Moran (SLV)
    VAR: Leodan Gonzalez (URU)
    AVAR: Richard Trinidad (URU)

    Peru – Chile
    Referee: Wilton Sampaio (BRA)
    Assistant Referee 1: Bruno Pires (BRA)
    Assistant Referee 2: Bruno Boschilia (BRA)
    Fourth Official: Edina Alves (BRA)
    Reserve AR: Neuza Back (BRA)
    VAR: Rodolpho Toski (BRA)
    AVAR: Daniel Nobre (BRA)

    Mexico – Jamaica
    Referee: Ismail Elfath (USA)
    Assistant Referee 1: Corey Parker (USA)
    Assistant Referee 2: Kyle Atkins (USA)
    Fourth Official: Tori Penso (USA)
    Reserve AR: Brooke Mayo (USA)
    VAR: Armando Villarreal (USA)
    AVAR: Tatiana Guzman (NCA)

    Ecuador – Venezuela
    Referee: Wilmar Roldan (COL)
    Assistant Referee 1: Alexander Guzman (COL)
    Assistant Referee 2: John Leon (COL)
    Fourth Official: Kevin Ortega (PER)
    Reserve AR: Michael Orue (PER)
    VAR: Juan Lara (CHI)
    AVAR: Edson Cisternas (CHI)

    Uruguay – Panama
    Referee: Piero Maza (CHI)
    Assistant Referee 1: Claudio Urrutia (CHI)
    Assistant Referee 2: Miguel Rocha (CHI)
    Fourth Official: Juan Benitez (PAR)
    Reserve AR: Eduardo Cardozo (PAR)
    VAR: Mauro Vigliano (ARG)
    AVAR: Hector Paletta (ARG)

    USA – Bolivia
    Referee: Maurizio Mariani (ITA)
    Assistant Referee 1: Daniele Bindone (ITA)
    Assistant Referee 2: Alberto Tegoni (ITA)
    Fourth Official: John Ospina (COL)
    Reserve AR: John Gallego (COL)
    VAR: Marco Di Bello (ITA)
    AVAR: Aleandro Di Paolo (ITA)

    Colombia – Paraguay
    Referee: Dario Herrera (ARG)
    Assistant Referee 1: Juan Belatti (ARG)
    Assistant Referee 2: Cristian Navarro (ARG)
    Fourth Official: Ivo Mendez (BOL)
    Reserve AR: Jose Antelo (BOL)
    VAR: Silvio Trucco (ARG)
    AVAR: Rodrigo Carvajal (CHI)

    Brazil – Costa Rica
    Referee: Cesar Ramos (MEX)
    Assistant Referee 1: Alberto Morin (MEX)
    Assistant Referee 2: Marcos Bisguerra (MEX)
    Fourth Official: Alexis Herrera (VEN)
    Reserve AR: Alberto Ponte (VEN)
    VAR: Guillermo Pacheco (MEX)
    AVAR: Erick Miranda (MEX)

    Chile – Argentina
    Referee: Andres Matonte (URU)
    Assistant Referee 1: Nicolas Taran (URU)
    Assistant Referee 2: Carlos Barreiro (URU)
    Fourth Official: Gustavo Tejera (URU)
    Reserve AR: Pablo Llarena (URU)
    VAR: Carlos Orbe (ECU)
    AVAR: Christian Lescano (ECU)

    Peru – Canada
    Referee: Mario Escobar (GUA)
    Assistant Referee 1: Luis Ventura (GUA)
    Assistant Referee 2: Humberto Panjoj (GUA)
    Fourth Official: Augusto Aragon (ECU)
    Reserve AR: Ricardo Baren (ECU)
    VAR: Juan Soto (VEN)
    AVAR: Gery Vargas (BOL)

    Ecuador – Jamaica
    Referee: Cristian Garay (CHI)
    Assistant Referee 1: Jose Retamal (CHI)
    Assistant Referee 2: Juan Serrano (CHI)
    Fourth Official: Yael Falcon (ARG)
    Reserve AR: Facundo Rodriguez (ARG)
    VAR: Nicolas Gallo (COL)
    AVAR: Derlis Lopez (PAR)

    Venezuela – Mexico
    Referee: Raphael Claus (BRA)
    Assistant Referee 1: Danilo Manis (BRA)
    Assistant Referee 2: Rodrigo Correa (BRA)
    Fourth Official: Wilton Sampaio (BRA)
    Reserve AR: Bruno Pires (BRA)
    VAR: Pablo Gonçalves (BRA)
    AVAR: Eduardo Britos (PAR)

    Uruguay – Bolivia
    Referee: Juan Benitez (PAR)
    Assistant Referee 1: Eduardo Cardozo (PAR)
    Assistant Referee 2: Milciades Saldivar (PAR)
    Fourth Official: Edina Alves (BRA)
    Reserve AR: Migdalia Rodriguez (VEN)
    VAR: Rodrigo Carvajal (CHI)
    AVAR: Jose Cuevas (PAR)

    Panama – USA
    Referee: Ivan Barton (SLV)
    Assistant Referee 1: David Moran (SLV)
    Assistant Referee 2: Henri Pupiro (NCA)
    Fourth Official: Kevin Ortega (PER)
    Reserve AR: Stephen Atoche (PER)
    VAR: Tatiana Guzman (NCA)
    AVAR: David Rodriguez (COL)

    Colombia – Costa Rica
    Referee: Gustavo Tejera (URU)
    Assistant Referee 1: Martin Soppi (URU)
    Assistant Referee 2: Pablo Llarena (URU)
    Fourth Official: Augusto Aragon (ECU)
    Reserve AR: Ricardo Baren (ECU)
    VAR: Hector Paletta (ARG)
    AVAR: Christian Ferreyra (URU)

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  29. Paraguay – Brazil
    Referee: Piero Maza (CHI)
    Assistant Referee 1: Claudio Urrutia (CHI)
    Assistant Referee 2: Miguel Rocha (CHI)
    Fourth Official: Maurizio Mariani (ITA)
    Reserve AR: Daniele Bindoni (ITA)
    VAR: Juan Lara (CHI)
    AVAR: Edson Cisternas (CHI)

    Argentina – Peru
    Referee: Cesar Ramos (MEX)
    Assistant Referee 1: Alberto Morin (MEX)
    Assistant Referee 2: Marco Bisguerra (MEX)
    Fourth Official: Alexis Herrera (VEN)
    Reserve AR: Lubin Torrealba (VEN)
    VAR: Guillermo Pacheco (MEX)
    AVAR: Erik Miranda (MEX)

    Canada – Chile
    Referee: Wilmar Roldan (COL)
    Assistant Referee 1: Alexander Guzman (COL)
    Assistant Referee 2: John Leon (COL)
    Fourth Official: John Ospina (COL)
    Reserve AR: Corey Parker (USA)
    VAR: Armando Villarreal (USA)
    AVAR: Yadir Acuna (COL)

    Mexico – Ecuador
    Referee: Mario Escobar (GUA)
    Assistant Referee 1: Luis Ventura (GUA)
    Assistant Referee 2: Brooke Mayo (USA)
    Fourth Official: Tori Penso (USA)
    Reserve AR: Kathryn Nesbitt (USA)
    VAR: Silvio Trucco (ARG)
    AVAR: Rodrigo Carvajal (CHI)

    Jamaica – Venezuela
    Referee: Maurizio Mariani (ITA)
    Assistant Referee 1: Daniele Bindoni (ITA)
    Assistant Referee 2: Alberto Tegoni (ITA)
    Fourth Official: Andres Matonte (URU)
    Reserve AR: Miguel Roldan (COL)
    VAR: Marco Di Bello (ITA)
    AVAR: Aleandro Di Paolo (ITA)

    USA – Uruguay
    Referee: Kevin Ortega (PER)
    Assistant Referee 1: Michael Orue (PER)
    Assistant Referee 2: Stephen Atoche (PER)
    Fourth Official: Augusto Menendez (PER)
    Reserve AR: Jose Antelo (BOL)
    VAR: Carlos Orbe (ECU)
    AVAR: Bryan Loayza (ECU)

    Bolivia – Panama
    Referee: Edina Alves (BRA)
    Assistant Referee 1: Neuza Back (BRA)
    Assistant Referee 2: Mary Blanco (COL)
    Fourth Official: Raphael Claus (BRA)
    Reserve AR: Bruno Boschilia (BRA)
    VAR: Rodolpho Toski (BRA)
    AVAR: Joel Alarcon (PER)

    Costa Rica – Paraguay
    Referee: Yael Falcon (ARG)
    Assistant Referee 1: Facundo Rodriguez (ARG)
    Assistant Referee 2: Maximiliano Del Yesso (ARG)
    Fourth Official: Ivo Mendez (BOL)
    Reserve AR: Edward Saavedra (BOL)
    VAR: Leodan Gonzalez (URU)
    AVAR: Carlos Lopez (VEN)

    Brazil – Colombia
    Referee: Jesus Valenzuela (VEN)
    Assistant Referee 1: Jorge Urrego (VEN)
    Assistant Referee 2: Alberto Ponte (VEN)
    Fourth Official: Augusto Aragon (ECU)
    Reserve AR: Christian Lescano (ECU)
    VAR: Mauro Vigliano (ARG)
    AVAR: Jonny Bossio (PER)

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