Sergey Karasev in charge of 2021 UEFA Super Cup: let's discuss his performance here!
2021 UEFA Super Cup
11.08.2021 21:00 CET, Windsor Park, Belfast (NIR)
Chelsea FC (ENG) - Villarreal CF (ESP)
Referee: Sergei Karasev (RUS)
Assistant Referee 1: Igor Demeshko (RUS)
Referee: Sergei Karasev (RUS)
Assistant Referee 1: Igor Demeshko (RUS)
Assistant Referee 2: Maksim Gavrilin (RUS)
Fourth Official: Aleksei Kulbakov (BLR)
Video Assistant Referee: Marco Fritz (GER)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee 1: Massimiliano Irrati (ITA)
Fourth Official: Aleksei Kulbakov (BLR)
Video Assistant Referee: Marco Fritz (GER)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee 1: Massimiliano Irrati (ITA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee 2: Paweł Gil (POL)
Reserve Assistant Referee: Filippo Meli (ITA)
UEFA Delegate: Kieran O' Connor (WAL)
UEFA Referee Observer: Roberto Rosetti (ITA)
Goodluck to Karasev! But so many nationalities (and languages) in the VAR-room... why?
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DeleteQuality cherries help maintain fitness
ReplyDeleteWhy Mister Rosetti himself travels to Belfast to observe an Elite referee who will remain Elite, both since he had a good EUR2020 and since he is the only Russian possibility ?
ReplyDeleteJust for fun. Hotels, accommodation, meal, new acquaintances))))) trip for free))))
DeleteI’m sorry if I didn’t see the discussions about Kulbakov earlier, but what is your opinion, gentlemen, about his perspectives in elite group (considering he was out of euro2020, and three referees from 1st group were in)?
ReplyDeleteHe is not treated like elite and only stays there (along with some other referees) because Rosetti avoids demotions. However, that does not mean that he cant recover like Karasev at some point.
DeletePersonally I really liked his style, he had a unique understanding of the game flow, exactly the style preferred for big tournaments. Unfortunately he had some big mistakes and unfortunate situations (I remember U21 in Italy and the whole mess with VAR when he whistled the offside too early and couldnt allow a regular goal later).
Kulbakov had some very important аppointments after U21, so that's not the reason. The ignoring of Kulbakov began after his destruction on this blog.
Deletehttp://law5-theref.blogspot.com/2020/02/what-is-clear-and-obvious-mr-rosetti.html
@Lde
DeleteI just wrote one example, never said it was "the reason". But yes, you gave another example when he made a big mistake.
@Lde please don't think that this blog has such power!
DeleteAnd in particular case, when Mikael wrote this article, his main target was to analyze the situation, not to put in bad light the referees. It happened to Kulbakov, it could have happened to another referee, we would have written the same things.
However, I think that the Belarusian managed a very well deserved promotion to Elite, nobody could have questioned, but then too many crucial mistakes happened, even after Under 21 (the tournament had been held a few days after having known about his promotion, if I remember correctly). The incidents and management in CL game Atalanta - City, among others, were not the best. There is still the chance to recover in case of good performances shown and I think indeed he will not be demoted, there are referees in a very similar situation, Elite only on paper, but not in reality, as it was written by Forlan, demotions from Elite category are avoided by committee.
@Chefren Indeed, look at Karasev himself, who could have thought 1 year ago that he would be appointed for Euro, getting a KO stage game and now Supercup (despite Rosetti being former Russian refereeing commitee president)
DeleteIt's strange however how experienced Kulbakov is. He's been an international really long, and did youth-EURO long before some of the elite referees were even international.
DeleteWhen officials arrived at stadium, Kulbakov was the only not wearing the mask.
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It's a shame. Uefa should punish this behaviour. Referees must be as good example for everybody. We are still in pandemic
DeleteIts a shame to be a voyeur and emphasize such irrelevant things. It can easily be that he just forgot, I dont believe he refused to wear a mask.
DeleteFurthermore if they are tested and vaccinated, masks dont even make sense.
Would procedural mistakes like not giving enough extra time or giving YC to wrong player keep one from being considered an elite referee? That is, does one have to do almost everything well (foul detection, fitness, player management, procedural administration, etc.) to be considered elite?
ReplyDelete"Elite" is the highest category a referee can get into at UEFA level. The group is quite big now as demotions are being avoided. If you ask about personal oppinions, what referees are really elite, you will can only get subjective answers ;)
DeleteDid look like foul on Kovacic at about 37nd minute. Perhaps third foul missed.
ReplyDeleteCorrect YC ! Obvious big foul by Rudiger.
ReplyDeleteTwice. Two big fouls in this game by Rudiger.
I agree, even the commentators on BT, who like a strong tackle, said that he knew what he did and didn't complain about the YC, which says quite a lot considering he played the ball.
Deletewrong YC on Rudiger. how else is he going to win the ball in that situation? we can’t take tackling out of the game
ReplyDeleteDisagree. Clear YC with excessive force engaged. Very good Karasev on this FH. Very firm, confident and correct YC to Rudiger and also Tuchel.
DeleteAbout Tuchel, I think we can't know whether he went close to him already to book, or this was the result of the discussion, I think the latter, considering the gradual approach asked by UEFA committee to their referees. I think in case he would have immediately booked him.
DeleteReferee analyst: Excessive force means red card.
DeleteFor me it’s a dark YC but good decision to assess as no red card offense here. Agree with Chefren about Tuchel, i think his behaviour during warning explained YC.
DeleteI like Karasev, Rosetti should give him more of a chance in the season, he is a very good referee.
ReplyDeleteOne thing I have noticed about Karasev today is his positioning, quite a few times he has had to sprint out of the way to avoid getting in the way of the ball.
ReplyDeleteI know you`re busy with the Supercup but please take a look when you have time at Cakir`s decision from tuesday night, min 55. I pasted a link in the previous post. I am very curious about your opinions. Thanks!
ReplyDeletethank you for the clip ( https://streamable.com/2lvjk7)
DeleteIn my oppinion very alert refereeing, it was indeed 'trickery' to play the ball back to the GK with the head.
Correct IFK. IIRC he shouldn't have waited to blow the whistle when the GK took it with his hands but when the defender made the trick? Correct me if I'm wrong
DeleteBad decision. This is not trickery. The player had zero intent to waste time and it's clear he didn't make this so the GK would handle the ball.
DeleteCorrect decision,
Delete"An indirect free kick is awarded if a player:
initiates a deliberate trick for the ball to be passed (including from a free kick or goal kick) to the goalkeeper with the head, chest, knee etc. to circumvent the Law, whether or not the goalkeeper touches the ball with the hands; the goalkeeper is penalised if responsible for initiating the deliberate trick"
And yes, Cakir didn't have to wait, he could have whistled as soon as the defender initated the deliberate trick
Technically he didn't have to wait but if the keeper never picks the ball up I think we just continue to play and no one is the wiser.
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DeleteThe wise decision is to not call anything at all since it’s obvious the defender didn’t try or intend to circumvent the law. Nobody was close so HD had zero reason to. It was just a flashy pass.
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Delete@VG this is a YC and iFK by law and nothing else. He did it clearly on purpose.
DeleteJR: by law it’s only a foul if you did it to circumvent the law. Which he didn’t…
DeleteHe clearly did. What else do you need to see there a foul?
DeleteThe problem--well, problems--with this provision of Law 12, as written, are twofold.
DeleteFirst, the language referenced above, which is "to circumvent the law." It implies intent. I understand what @JR is saying. He's seeing the defender flick the ball up to his head and pass it back, thereby allowing a goalkeeper to handle the ball if he wants to. Because of that, @JR sees the intent. But @VG, I imagine, believes the defender is just flicking that ball to show off. He has no pressure. He's not wasting time. There's no reason to circumvent the law, so why should we assign intent to do something where the player is gaining no benefit?
Both arguments are valid. I personally side with @VG from a common sense perspective. But, then again, if common sense applied this provision of the law would be much better written and it's not. So it's ambiguous.
The second problem, of course, is the language that says "whether or not the goalkeeper touches the ball with his hands." That means the infraction occurs--if you believe the kick of the ball toward the head was in order to circumvent the law--the moment the ball is headed toward the keeper. IFAB has written quite explicitly that you should call this based on the defender's actions, not the goalkeeper's. This isn't something we infer--it is plainly written in the text. Yet, Cakir didn't call it at that point. Why? Well, because it's an asburd provision that no one really believes should be written the way it is. So he waited until the goalkeeper handled the ball, which is wrong. But we accept it, I suppose.
The provision of the law is a mess. It should be re-worded to reflect reality. Maybe this incident will make IFAB take notice.
Also, @JR, this is actually a mandatory caution. It is explicitly listed as one of the types of unsporting behavior that "must" be cautioned.
DeleteThat's what I wrote above about the mandatory YC.
DeleteBut I still cannot see how the clear written rule can be interpreted in a different manner.
What happened there? :D
ReplyDeleteIt's like AR2 Maksim Gavrilin flagged for defensive foul (charging) but Karasev overruled and gave advantage for handball by Chelsea player.
It is a worrying sign, there should be communication and trust between the officials.
DeleteKarasev overruling the assistant who was rigorously waving for a foul, hence causing him to be out of line. I don’t like seeing situations like that, Karasev should protect his assistant’s integrity in that situation by giving the foul. No replay but I must say it did look like a foul in real time.
ReplyDeleteSmall detail; the crossbar was moving during the last penalty kick because the goalkeeper touches the crossbar? Nobody notice this……
ReplyDeleteI also noticed it, I think the referee should warn the GK to not do this.
DeleteDavid +1
DeleteKarasev got pretty much every decision spot on tonight but his communication etc didn't convince me. The delay between giving the foul and show a yellow card in the first half can make one think he got pressed into give Rüdiger a yellow card by the Villarreal players (even though the decision was correct) and then his overruling of AR2 in extra time who I think had a much better view of the situation than Karasev
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