Friday 14 June 2024

UEFA EURO 2024 Match 1: Germany - Scotland (discussion)

Clément Turpin will kick off EURO 2024. After one month and a half he will be observed again by Rosetti in Munich. Good luck to him and good tournament to our readers!


Game 1, Group A
Munich, 14 June 2024 21:00 CET
GERMANY - SCOTLAND
Referee: Clément Turpin FRA
Assistant Referee 1: Nicolas Danos FRA
Assistant Referee 2: Benjamin Pagès FRA
Fourth Official: François Letexier FRA
Reserve Assistant Referee: Cyril Mugnier FRA
Video Assistant Referee: Jérôme Brisard FRA
Assistant Video Assistant Referee 1: Willy Delajod FRA
Assistant Video Assistant Referee 2: Massimiliano Irrati ITA
UEFA Referee Observer: Roberto Rosetti ITA
UEFA Delegate: Arturs Gaidels LVA

107 comments:

  1. Still do not know why Clement goes with long slevee jersey! :)

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    1. Wonder if he had tattoo's or something he doesn't want showing especially on TV

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    2. They aren't full long sleves, and are gripping on his arms. But he has been wearing these for years.

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  2. Penalty reported by AR2? First contact is clearly outside, the body-body challenge continues inside. What to do?

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  3. Ouch, surprising that Clement saw this wrong

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  4. Well, so hard to spot on the field was this inside or outside. Excellent job by VAR. At the end correct desicion.

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  5. Was close enough to think it was inside. Good use of VAR, that's why it's there

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  6. Now handball whistled by Turpin against Germany, after that they scored. Impossible for VAR to intervene, should be correct decision, but still you can see how things can go wrong with VAR protocol in case of quick whistle.

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    1. Yes, he should have waited.
      Really borderline regarding the punishable area of the arm.

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    2. I find it a bit interesting that we've internalized this "he should have waited" instruction so rigidly.

      I understand it. You want to be able to fix a clear error. But if you see something clearly and you're sure of your decision, does it serve the game to delay the whistle, allow a goal (which still required a little work), THEN blow for the handball and make everyone wait for a prolonged VAR check?

      There's right and wrong objectively. And then there's right and wrong from a match management standpoint. Turpin knew what he saw and the idea that he would ever change his opinion on that subjective decision, with an arm literally up in the air, is astronomically low.

      I like the confidence in just blowing the whistle here. It sends a message that you are in charge and on top of things. Rigidly following the delay instruction leads to weakness and brings about management challenges.

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    3. Für mich Schulter und danach nicht strafbar.

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    4. Usaref, I praise referees that immediately decide according to what they see, but in this case delaying a whistle would be just a way to allow a VAR intervention, 2 or 3 seconds, goal scored, and foul reported. I know it's hard, because, differently from assistant referees delayed flag (the concept is the same), in this way a referee is blocked in his instinct. Nevertheless, we should then accept a wrong decision if after the whistle VAR is out and the decision is wrong.

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    5. And without a closer replay so far, it is indeed not 100% clear.

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    6. I'm not saying that the delay tactic is hard or that I don't understand it. I do. What I'm saying is that relying on it in all cases and saying that "oh he should have delayed" just because the ball ends up in the back of the net 3 seconds later (after a subsequent player received the ball and Scotland's defense sort of gave up) is silly. And it's not inherently a good thing.

      The handball decision was handled correctly and everyone accepted it.

      The alternative would be to (unnecessarily) delay the whistle. Allow Germany to score a somewhat uncontested shot. Disallow the goal. Endure protests from Scotland (for not calling the handball immediately). Endure protests from Germany (for calling a handball late). Delaying the game a minute or so for the VAR check, which increases frustrating and hurts the spectacle. And then restarting with the exact same decision.

      Or he could have just done what he did.

      Also, the idea that this is not 100% clear is ridiculous. He throws his arm up perpendicular to ground and basically catches the ball. We want to adjudicate the green zone versus red zone from Page 73 of the Laws or whatever? Come on. From the dawn of time this was a handball and cheating. We're going to suddenly accept this because of a diagram in a book based on a player's sleeve length.

      We are becoming slaves to VAR and rigid instruction, often forgetting what good refereeing is. It's all quite frustrating, honestly.

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  7. God no. Let the referee, referee. He's confident, smiling, looking good

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  8. https://x.com/RobHarris/status/1801699497300353115

    UEFA couldn't have asked for a better situation to try out their new invention, hopefully they show this to TV as well later and not just to the stadium

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    1. Indeed, the info was not reported by commentators. Only stadium.

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    2. Again: BROADCAST ZERO! German TV should be ashamed!

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  9. I really liked how only Robertson and Gundogan talked to Turpin. The first reaction by SCO was tolerated and once he took is position left of the penalty spot only the 2 captains were there. I think this gave Turpin the possibility to explain wat he saw and that they were looking at inside or out, and most likely that the foul was the first contact and not the second. I think from this example we can conclude it works or at least has it benefits. But of course I am sure there will be situations where this approach might have a negative impact ir might not work (or cause a lot of cards).

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  10. Definitely not the best first half by Turpin, now a big penalty missed live, must be given, also borderline to red, but well, yellow a must here.

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    1. More than "borderline" red IMO, it's clear.

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  11. Red card now and PK? Just like Oliver in TOT-CHE?

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  12. A bad moment of Turpin ... first no penalty after VAR penalty and red, how cant oyu see that?

    A free view

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    1. Also the handball call that disallowed the goal that to me looked like clear shoulder.

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  13. Again, very tough situation for see is it penalty or not. And again,excellent job by VAR. CORECT PK+RED CARD!

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    1. The VAR is in a good shape but Turpin isnt far of that .... Not a good match of him

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    2. PK+red only acceptable decision. CT looked at the replay once and made his decision.

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    3. We saw it on TV immediately. Turpin HAD TO SEE THIS! Not only to see, but to hear!

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  14. Turpin bad, 2 big mistakes, German broadcasting - AWFUL! Amateurs! We didn't see red card live, the camera was on Scottish manager. Incredible how this is low quality broadcast.

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    1. It's a world feed. No one saw it live.

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    2. Agree, unacceptable from the broadcaster. Here in Spain we only knew it was a RC cuz the commentators showed it.

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    3. That's what I said. Also, we didn't see when Turpin showed that he was going to an OFR.

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    4. You said "German broadcasting."

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  15. Terrible night for Monsieur Turpin.

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  16. Definite red, definite PK, all about angle of tackle, probably not seen clearly on field. It's exactly what VAR was designed for

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  17. Not Turpin's finest half, I give him benefit of doubt on overturned PK because it was tough to see live but no excuse to miss that shocking tackle which rightly resulted in PK and RC.

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  18. Well a masterclass from Turpin regarding 'the captains management'! At the Women's WC last year, there was a clear rule that two VAR corrections resulted in the performance being rejected; waiting for the second half, but surely interesting to see what follows for the Frenchman after this match. Besides any of that: obviously too sloppy regarding KMIs, which isn't a new theme for him even this season (Ferencvaros-Olympiakos, also the Friday night Lyon game where Lannoy said he missed at least one penalty).

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    1. Overturn 1: https://imgur.com/a/SoMsc8R
      Overturn 2: https://imgur.com/a/zjzx53l

      In the first incident, Turpin decides to focus on proximity (running closer to the ball) rather than strictly following the diagonal control path. In the second, it would have been better if the French ref had worked harder when the ball was pinballing around the penalty area, instead he stays too central.

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    2. Sometimes it's very hard to assess a performance, indeed.
      We must wait for second half but so far two VAR interventions in first half are not a good thing (second is the main one, changing penalty to free kick can be a different argument, but still...). I'm sure Rosetti didn't expect this performance at half time. I would dare to say, Turpin was very well focused on the game management, and maybe just because it wasn't challenging at all, at the beginning, he lost the plot about concentration and being under stress. In case of important mental involvement from the beginning, he could have done better regarding crucial incidents.

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    3. It would be very disappointing for Turpin if he is rejected for this performance. To think, one of the top UEFA referees of his era, but 3 Euros with no knockout stage game, that would be a harsh reality.

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    4. I'm not worried about Turpin. Nobody is going to talk about the ref after the game which is the most important thing for Rosetti. Turpin is going to get the Brych 2021 treatment and will definitely see more games since he has the full trust of the committee.

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    5. Turpin himself is worried. The look on his face ever since he gave the red card was one of “get me off this pitch”

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  19. It's a grim joke that Turpin didn't award a penalty and a red card for a foul on Gundogan. I hope this is the Frenchman's first and last match at this Euro.

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    1. Muito pelo contrário, pênalti marcado e vermelho para o defensor escocês com o auxílio do VAR.

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    2. Turpin should have made the decision without the help of VAR

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  20. Pretty solid performance by Clement Turpin in first half. Two tough situation, excellent teamwork by his colleagues in VAR. Full under control! Go on Clement!

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    1. Yea, right :) Solid performance from VAR refs, bad from Turpin - he had 2 situations to make important decision, made THREE MSIATEKS (wrong penalty, then missed PK and missed RC). Totally missed! For me, he is already un der 7.00.

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  21. Two types of people: the ones who see that Turpin got the only two difficult decisions wrong (with the second a shocking miss), and ones who will go to any lengths to defend the most high profile refs and ignore any of their mistakes.

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    1. The pen + RC was not a difficult decision, I called it live. Turpin was 10 yards away

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    2. Short summary: very good management as usual but missed penalty is a crucial mistake.

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  22. If you ignore the VAR interventions then it would have been a great display by the French. Unfortunately, there were 2 big mistakes that are hardly accepted at this level. First one, ok, he didn't see that the contact was outside the box but the second one is even more surprising, clear penalty and RC is a big miss. We can't talk about a good performance because of these mistakes

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  23. Overall, a mixed first half for Turpin. On the one hand, full control, good foul detection, excellent body language. On the other hand, already two VAR interventions. First one was difficult to detect on the pitch whether foul occured inside or outside the penalty area. Second one looks like a blatant miss in the replays, on the pitch not the easiest decision as the player played the ball with his other foot and Turpin was probably focussing on this area rather than perceiving the contact made with the other foot. Good and necessary VAR intervention. Also, I‘m relieved that a RC was shown: fully according to UEFA guidelines and what you need to see to protect the players.

    Don‘t think it is a nightmare for Turpin, Germany is very happy about their team‘s performance. Turpin‘s display is not seen negatively here, at least where I watch.

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  24. First situation was not easy to detect but second one is stonewall penalty.

    I can understand that you don't see SFP, but can't understand no foul decision.

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  25. Unfortunately, a bad miss with the penalty in 42', IMO it had to be assessed live with proper positioning and angle. Of course, a mandatory SFP RC in the same situation, which makes the mistake even worse unfortunately. As Mikael stated above, a rather sloppy assessment of KMIs, sometimes radiating a feeling of nonchalance. However, I wouldn't blame him too much for the first penalty converted to FK in 25', it was a close call.

    Apart from that single miss, a rather good performance, especially regarding control, game management and a rather optimal foul detection. Unfortunately, with the miss in 42', the whole performance is tarnished.

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  26. For a referee it is even more disappointing if something like this happens in a one-sided match, where no result is in discussion anyway. However, since there is a team that persistently attacks and another that only defends, in such scenarios these situations can happen more. Paradoxically, the trend of some refereeing committees, I am not strictly talking about UEFA, is to turn a blind eye in these cases, because a potential influence on the final result is far away. All in all, I don't think this will be Rosetti's idea, and I think the Frenchman's EURO is now more difficult than about 45 minutes ago.
    A pity for him.

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  27. What a breath of fresh air. How lovely it is to see only the captains approach the referee in a respectful and calm manner.
    Yes, Turpin should have in the moment at the very least whistled the PK. As it was a clear two footed lunge. But he didn't, fortunately VAR was there to bail him out.
    And thank you for deservingly sending off the SCO player and no longer abiding by the "I got the ball" nonsense.
    Getting the ball first doesn't give a player carte blanche to blow up his opponent.
    Please, please, please let the referee's work in this exact manner for the entire tournament. The referee's who are unable or unwilling to abide and enforce the directives. Discard them and keep those who protect the players and who don't tolerate dissent.

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    1. About the technical assessments (also after VAR corrections) of the incidents in this game, we can be very happy, indeed, and let's hope this will ba always the line.

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    2. I hope so too!
      Sadly my home confederation (CONCACAF) and CONMEBOL are steadily moving further away from UEFA levels towards the mediocre levels of AFC.

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    3. I hope so too! Stay the course all the way through.

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  28. 3 for 3. The VAR is on point tonight.

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    1. Without VAR, this would be disastrous performance from French team.

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    2. Sadly this is the refereeing world we live in now. With VAR referees have become hesitant to make calls live and in the moment. As they know that they have a safety net (VAR) that allows them to "re-referee" the game.

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    3. Yep,referees have power like never before and whatever they decide,they will be backed by VAR or it will be safety for them in case they make mistakes like tonight.

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  29. Disallowed 5-0 by Germany, I think AR could have spotted it. Not easy, for sure, but looking at replay for me an AR at this level can see it. Third VAR correction in the game. Many attacks, many actions and many incidents.

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    1. I like how quick the decision was made.
      No long wait like we see in many leagues.

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  30. This is MISTAKE. I dont know how they do not spot it. Congrats to Var. Now, it something that put officiating performance on 7,6-7.7 level. Now we can spoke about one GS match for Turpin and in best case ROUND 16 match. Thats all.

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    1. 3 crucial mistakes from the ref (maybe even 4 if there wasn't handball from Havertz), I don't know how Rosetti can assessed it so high?! It is much under 7,6-7,7.

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    2. Well the mark for Turpin is clear: 7,4! We can only wait for what happens next.

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  31. Thank heavens we have VAR, this has been poor from the French on field crew

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    1. With all the respect, I hope we will see more Letexier and less Turpin starting from MD2.

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  32. The last thing Rosetti could think about today was to have three VAR interventions in this game. It's now up to him to decide what to do with the performance of the French crew. Sad to say, in a game ended with such a score. We will know whether the performance principle will be applied to all referees, now a second Group Stage game will surely follow for the French, but then not sure about what after that.
    Positive thing for committee is that noboy is focused on Turpin because one-sided game and no problem for people if some decisions were taken after VAR (Itlaian commentators not talking at all about referee, indeed). But Rosetti 100% disappointed and maybe angry, I would dare to say... not the best start of the tournament after many positive words and premises by the Italian head of UEFA refereeing.

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    1. I mean Makkelie had a missed penalty in the opener in 2021 (unfortunately not corrected by VAR) and he still got a semi-final. I still think we will see Turpin in at least a Round of 16 game, but probably even more

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    2. Makkelie also had the farce with his AR not knowing you can’t be offside from a corner. Both should be rejected really but Turpin will probably get away with it.
      Interestingly, judging by Twitter (X) the general fan seems to think Turpin did really well, and not bothered by VAR interventions

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    3. Well said, I agree. I think a "recovery" game will follow in MD2, in group E or F. After that a decion will be made. I feel that it is to risky to sent Turpin next to a decisive game in MD3.
      If tonight performance would have been in MD3, we would have talked about the end of the tournament. There were positive aspects tonight but also errors that can not be overlooked. Definitely below the expectations we had.

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    4. Fans in general only care about the correct decisions and not how they were made, so not surprising. But obviously UEFA and others can't really work like that, because then an on-field referee would be rejected only based on the fact that the VAR also made a mistake, which would be quite unfair

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  33. It is obvious that the new behavior directives are working. Making the referee's job somewhat easier. As they don't have to worry too much about dissent or getting mobbed.
    That in itself makes "managing" the match a simpler task. And not something that should be overly focused on. This in turn, should put the focus more on the actual decision making of the referee crew.
    Today, Turpin's crew had "key" decisions to make. And they got all 3 wrong on the field in real time.

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  34. To be honest, I rarely watch matches at the European level (Champions League very rarely, tournaments more often), I am a fan of the Polish league and youth and amateur competitions. However, I saw a dozen or so matches led by Turpin and in all of them he made mistakes - very often they were crucial mistakes. I don't appreciate this referee, maybe I'm somehow prejudiced against him, but after today's match I think that this man is not suitable to work at the Euro. Yes, player management, foul detection, and the general way of conducting the match are at a good level, but the number of errors of the entire team was unacceptable. If it weren't for VAR, we would have had a scandal already in the opening match.
    Of course, VAR adds enormous value to avoiding key mistakes. However, isn't it the case that referees on the pitch are less focused because in the back of their minds they are aware that VAR will almost always correct their mistakes.

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    1. I tend to agree. He’s had too many poor displays over the years (Denmark-Russia 2021 was even worse than tonight). Some great games too but he’s not top top elite like he’s considered

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    2. Nor he will ever be creme de la creme like Orsato and Marciniak today.

      In the near past,we can mention names like Cakir,Clattenburg,Kuipers,Rizzoli,Brych.

      I think he fits right in group below them and that is not top of the top.



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  35. Hard game to debrief for me, very very good management in the whole with some smiles and good talks, but many incidents, the first one (FK and not PK) for me is raisonable nothing to say about, the 2nd one is the worst should have detected the PK so big mistake in that one and the offside can be hard to spot on.
    At the end no one will talk about him (expected us) and don't change anything about the result.
    I think i will have another round game and will have a very important R16 if i want to go further.

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  36. Well, nobody speak about referees,what is result of one side game,and it is at the end of the day good. Correct perfromance by Turpin, of course with some areas for improvment, but, correct foul detection, communication,managment. If any of you remeberd all apoke about bad Makkelie at last Euro opening, and we had best ever officiated Euro ever later. So, Turpin will have on game for sure,and, as I mentioned before in the best case R16 game. For him,enough.

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  37. Will the blog do video clips from the matches? All for the purpose of analyzing the referee's performance.

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  38. Good overall performance by Clément Turpin and Team but with three VAR interventions:
    - the inside/outside call was tricky, no big blame here, but one could expect an elite official getting it right
    - the missed penalty for SFP should've been avoided, clear mistake
    - the missed offside by AR1 should've been spotted.
    I wonder how it is going to affect the Frenchman in the tournament. Is it me or Turpin looked like he was about to cry before the kick-off and then waiting for VAR checking the Scotland's goal.

    How refreshing it is to see only captains being allowed to talk to referee AND both teams respecting it through the whole game! It's surely a huge step forward for UEFA refereeing and refereeing in general. Excellent!

    One should once again praise Letexier as fourth official. Very active, helping with throw-ins and monitoring the play at set pieces. He is really great in this role and I remember the same was Frank Schneider at Turpin's side before his demotion to Ligue 2.

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    1. By the way, UEFA Football Board made this statement lately:

      "VAR should be seen as a tool helping referees and its interventions should not be perceived as a negative judgement on referees themselves. It is clear as that not everything on the pitch may be seen by the referee."

      And as far as UEFA Referees Committee is hugely influenced by their recommendations, Turpin shouldn't be much concerned about VAR interventions?

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    2. Surprising to read about such a statement. On the contrary, I often heard that a mistake is a mistake and is assesed accordongly; VAR being only a saving tool in order to minimize the effects of the mistakes on the outcome of the game as much as possible. You have to ask yourself, do observers deduct points in the final mark for the mistakes corrected by VAR? If the answer is yes then this statement from above is simply not applyable this time. It reffers to those moments that are really impossible to see live, which are exceptions. Like a few centimetres offside for ARs or a hidden handball or contact in the box. All the three decisions were expected to be correctly taken by the refereeing team tonight given their difficulty in my opinion.

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    3. And it's exactly opposite to what Roberto Rosetti wants from his referees: always make decision in real time. Interesting whose approach will win after today :)

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  39. In the end, a performance that cannot be described as good, unfortunately, however exclusively because of isolated incidents in 42' and 76'-77', IMO. Which is a real pity, to be honest.

    Generally speaking, and without those mentioned scenes, it would have been a very good performance for me. Foul detection was optimal, with a clear line and criteria, as well as disciplinary management, with 3 good YCs and no mandatory ones missed. Control was never in question, game and players management was on Turpin's usual high level, with a few chats and/or smiles here and there, and everything went perfectly well until the very end, including the implementation of new guidelines, which I deem to be really positive (visible also in this game, which went by without any serious dissent or mobbing, and with the captains calmly and respectfully engaging in conversations with the referee). Taking the controversial incidents aside, Turpin's general performance was a really positive one.

    Unfortunately, however, live mistakes that did occur are something the referee crew can and should be blamed for. I don't consider the first VAR intervention in 25' to really be a big fault for Turpin, as it was a really close assessment (after all, VAR is used exactly to avoid such mistakes). However, the incident in 42' stands as a big mistake unfortunately, one that Turpin should have avoided with better positioning and acquiring an optimal angle by being more proactive instead of remaining in a central position. Here I think we can notice a bit of nonchalance on Turpin's part: in such a one-sided game, with not much to seriously challenge you, it is easy to lose focus and a bit of concentration, which is exactly what happened tonight IMO. Unfortunately, it was also a game with a high number of attacks and situations that arise from them, with one team constantly attacking; it's no wonder that such a combination led to a mistake, but one that must not happen on such a high level. Lastly, the missed offside by AR1 in 76' is another important miss tonight: although being tight, it was not close on a level that such an experienced AR like Danos couldn't properly assess it live. It think we can blame the exact same reasons for this mistake: a loss of focus/concentration in a single important moment as a result of an otherwise easy and one-sided game. Needless to say, it is something that shouldn't, or mustn't happen on such a high level.

    To summarise: an otherwise very good performance tarnished by crucial errors in isolated incidents. Unfortunately, exactly the opposite of what was expected and wanted. To be frank, I am really sorry for Turpin. On the other hand, a very good work by the VAR crew: they retained their much needed focus and managed to "bail out" the on field crew, thus avoiding any actual controversy. IMO, they should be praised. As for Turpin, I'm not sure what to expect for him at this tournament; however, again, I'm really, really sorry for him.

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  40. Highlights:

    GERSCO (Turpin - Danos, Pagès - Letexier - Brisard, Delajod, Irrati)
    https://files.fm/u/6fgh5mmq7f

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    1. Most valuable isolated video clips
      https://files.fm/u/ffgn2uw9wx

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    2. Hello, I really like that you share the clips.

      I was wondering if you can share the clips for every game or tell me where I can find the clips for each game.

      Thanks in advance!

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  41. Turpin maybe not the most reliable in terms of KMI, but one thing again confirmed; he has the most reliable VAR.
    Other VAR’s were regularly involved in controversial incidents (Iratti, Boekel, Munuera, and even Kwiatiowski). Not Brisard. I guess we will see Clément Turpin again in a lower profile MD2, followed by a R16/QF. In the end, he is mostly frustrated by his own national team.

    On another note, I wonder if the new dissent policy with only captains approaching the referee can affect the focus of referees on the pitch. I think some referees are actually BETTER under pressure. I can think of Marciniak or Makkelie. After last night, it will be interesting to see how focused other referees are when no players are approaching them. I guess some referees can surprise us and will massively improve, others that work well under pressure could potentially disappoint us during this EURO.

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  42. Turpin will continue to work at the EURO, even after terrible mistakes because he is French. If he was Bulgarian or Croatian, I would have been sent back home right after the game last night.

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  43. https://imgur.com/a/u8UxomE

    Four legends in one photo

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    1. You can see that also Kuipers "observed" the game, very often in such major tournament, writing down the official name in charge of observation is just a "pro forma". Of course Rosetti will write it, but the full committee will have their say about all games. In this context, one should try to know, but of course it's impossible for us, how much importance is given to "normal" observers, one should believe that in the game with them, there shouldn't be many committee members, but still maybe one is always possible... just speculation...

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  44. It doesn't surprise me that Turpin and team got 3 KMI wrong last night. The last two major tournaments he was rather poor, his UCL and EL finals weren't exactly great performances either. He is a decent referee nothing more

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    1. What did he do wrong at WC22? I think, he had a very good tournament there.

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    2. Gave Brazil a very soft penalty IIRC

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