Tuesday 3 July 2018

2018 FIFA World Cup Match 56: Colombia - England (discussion)

Let's discuss here the performance of Mark Geiger in Colombia - England. Good luck to the officiating team!
Match #56
Moscow, 3 July 2018 20:00 CET
Colombia - England
Referee: Mark Geiger (USA)
Assistant Referee 1: Joe Fletcher (CAN)
Assistant Referee 2:  Frank Anderson (USA)
Fourth Official: Matthew Conger (NZL)
Fifth Official: Simon Lount (NZL) Tevita Makasini (TGA)
VAR: Danny Makkelie (NED)
AVAR1: Pawel Gil (POL)
AVAR 2: Carlos Astroza (CHI)
AVAR 3: Mauro Vigliano (ARG)

200 comments:

  1. Good luck to Mark Geiger. I still believe this will be not his last match if he will have a great performance today.

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  2. An American referee an english match? Both countries have depth relations. Would be a Cakir for neutrality issues?

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    1. If you like to consider those things, you would never find a referee - not an issue at all!

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    2. Maybe FIFA compensated the English language of Geiger with his origin (America, as continent). So both teams should be satisfied... based on what I know, this is how FIFA reasons about that.

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    3. Can be. But its WC, and Geiger isn't better option for this match. So strange

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    4. Well, language should not be a problem. We had many Spanish speaking referees in games with Spanish speaking teams and non-Spanish speaking teams.

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    5. Geiger can also speak fluent Spanish...

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    6. Geiger speaks English and Spanish.

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  3. ...and in the beginning of us-american history the british troups try to fight against us-independence. So, what? That really is no point of interest.

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  4. I really would like to know whether Geiger has been considered as referee for the final. If you ask me, given his appointments, also as VAR, I would say that in any case committee had not his name in mind, maybe only in case of more than excellent performances in all three games... very likely I had a different idea.
    I saw him as candidate on the same level with Pitana, for example, and so on, but now it looks to be different: "only" a very solid and reliable referee, also VAR expert. What do you think?

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    1. As an American, I would love to see him in a semi or the final. I think he's done very well in his two games so far but there are clearly others ahead of him. Faghani, Kuipers, and Cakir are just on another level in my opinion. Those three should get the semis and final.

      I think Geiger definitely could be VAR for the final or a semi though, and he could still get a QF if he does well enough in this match!

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    2. I think there are chances for him to get a QF, but of course it depends on today‘s performance. FIFA seems to trust him as a referee and as a VAR. His advantage could be that he‘s from North America - if they like to keep confederations neutrality in certain games, Geiger is a candidate.

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    3. What I can tell you, Geiger is highly valued by the Commission.

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    4. Mark Geiger is one of my favourite referee, he is just very likeable for me and also very solid referee at all. He has very unique position like the only one main referee with VAR delegation. I wish him a delegation for the final match in any role (and also for Joe Fletcher).I think FIFA think higly of him too (he already had the final match in U20 WC in 2011).

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  5. The camera guy zooms in too much in this game.

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  6. Easy to call against the attacking team. Calling it against the defending team (resluting in PK) seems not so easy however. Hmmm???

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  7. AR2 might have missed an offside when Sterling ran back no replay no final verdict

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    1. I rewinded and it looked like #6 Colombia probably kept him well onside when the ball was played. Strange play and difficult call because the ball traveled for such a long time without touching anyone, and the #6 had already recovered to a normal position by the time Sterling got the ball. Very alert AR work, well done.

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  8. 13' very difficult no-offside decision from AR2 Anderson but I think he gets it right! the ball comes through everyone unexpectedly, but he was alert and knew that the right back kept the attacker onside when the ball was played

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  9. This WC show a big group of referee that should be awarded with the final: Faghani, Pitana, Kuipers, Geiger, Cakir, Rocchi. Also Diedhou.

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    1. I agree that it could be any of these guys and FIFA would be fine, and that's not even counting Ricci. The level of refereeing really has been just excellent this World Cup. I think at the end of the day, Kuipers Cakir and Faghani are the best three in my opinion. Those guys should get three semis/final matches.

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    2. High level in order: Cakir,Faghani,Kuipers
      After: Pitana, Ricci, Gaussama
      3rd level: Ramos, Rocchi, Brych
      4th: Diedhou, Geiger

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    3. Brych not even close to everyone this WC.

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    4. I'm afraid that your Gaussama and Brych are not at any level currently... They are currently at the level of referees to be sent home!

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    5. Kuipers, Çakir, Faghani and Pitana are definitely ahead
      I don't think Belgium will make it to the final so Kuipers might get the nod.

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    6. Gassama had a decent game with a missed penalty that was corrected by VAR and Brych had one single situation in which one can differ. We cannot say they are in a bad shape because of one game/situation - too easy!

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    7. Every referee can officiade ten minutes on final game :) and everybody will be Happy ;)

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  10. OT
    Referee appointments for UEFA Champions League First Qualifying Round (First Legs)
    10 July 2018
    http://kronikasedziowska.blogspot.com/2018/07/uefa-champions-league-first-qualifying.html

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    1. Glad to see Grujic back in action. Hope he reach grp 1 very soon..

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  11. OT
    https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-BJEx8UI9k4E/WzunuR3bNXI/AAAAAAAAPGA/xNuxT23ef4o2tD2GZ5KyyPVY0g-E18HXwCLcBGAs/s1600/ramos.jpg


    "FIFA missed a massive opportunity to stamp some authority by imposing a significant sanction on the world superstar after his outrageous dissent,"

    "The tournament has been blighted by these scenes of over-the-top reactions to refereeing decisions with scant respect shown to match officials."

    "FIFA must instruct referees to be stronger in dealing with protests and then impose significant sanctions if the game isn't to be lost to these screaming prima donnas."

    Words spoken by Graham Poll

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    1. The picture says everything, nothing to add.

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    2. Chefren,
      This can't possibly be what the FIFA Ref Comm really wants. Can it?

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    3. This is what I call being scared... Look at Ramos' face! But must note Geiger's face right now, that’s being even more nervous and scared!

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    4. http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Mark+Geiger+Alberto+Quintero+Mexico+v+Panama+NxaZsWCqfghl.jpg


      This right here is a look that I've seen on his face too many times before and like you said Soham. He's got that look on his face right now. He's never shown me to actually have any sort of presence or natural authority on the pitch.

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    5. I think it was not Ramos but Ronaldo
      https://ibb.co/fDokHJ
      https://ibb.co/dXiwPy
      https://ibb.co/cPpsxJ

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    6. Just curious Andreja. But what do you mean?

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    7. @Sheriff I refer to the link with jpg. picture you posted and it's mentioned that Ramos (also mentioned in Soham's reply) was a person screaming at the referee, but he was not but Ronaldo. I posted 3 sequences of the incident (one is the same as yours) .. to show in more detail his unsporting behavior.

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  12. Aaaaand, Geiger already as the "deer in the headlights" look. Freekick has taken over 3 minutes to be taken.

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  13. Many problems there, before the free kick. Also, a possible violent conduct by Colombian player, but I think still supportable to issue YC.

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    1. Quick clip of it: https://www.clippituser.tv/c/vxblpy

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  14. Weak wall management by Geiger with an unsporting behaviour leading to a YC.

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    1. He's never been know for having a strong personality or aany real authority. He gets by on being decent at everything else but that.

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  15. I think all of us are very interested in the audio with the headbutt situation. Was this a clear RC for VC? At least very border line

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    1. I mean the audio between Geiger and the VAR.

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    2. RC was indeed possible there, but not a clear mistake to give YC.

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  16. Complete lack of authority. Wall did what it wanted. Had to plaint the line twice. Had a kerfuffle is the wall with him totally unaware.

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  17. It was a RC with CL standards but a YC with WC standards. Sad but that is the situation

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    1. Yes, right. I rewatched it and to be honest I must say more RC than what I origin ally thought because after having hit the chest with a certain force, the player from Colombia uses again his head to hit close to neck.

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    2. Can't be RC even with CL standards. Not brutality or exessive force

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    3. See 2012 RC Terry BAR vs CHE 2nd leg @ Camp Nou.
      I agree some players tend to exaggerate a lot when offended but why the offenders initiate the conduct?

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  18. Poor management at the wall situation for sure. This match is very difficult, one of the most difficult of this round to referee.

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    1. Never. France and Argentina was most difficult and a experience referee Faghani was a great actuation.

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    2. Some referee's make things harder than they need to be. Trouble and disrespect just seems to follow them.

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  19. No mistakes at all for Geiger, but he seems to have little acceptance from the players.

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    1. Very similar game to the Portugal - Morocco in my opinion.

      Only "mistake" was that he should have handled the wall situation better.

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  20. The most interesting point is: Who gave this message? AR2? Conger who saw it on the screen? Makkelie although he was not allowed give any input if he considers the incident an unsporting behaviour? I‘m sure Geiger totally missed it.
    Unconvincing first half by Geiger, he is not able to manage the numerous conflicts between the players.

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    1. Oh he definitely missed it. He was too busy babysitting and begging the Colombian players to respect his line.

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    2. The Dutch commentator said that Makkelie did a possible red card review, and according to him (the commentator) Makkelie is then also allowed to recommend a YC in the end.

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    3. Yes, that is indeed interesting. YC due to VAR advice is only possible with an OFR.

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    4. @Jan: OK, I am also not completely sure about my last statement.
      But there was no VAR gesture as well, so rather strange situation...

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    5. IMO it was AR2, he looked at second last defender (area where incident occured)

      Second answer should be Conger on the screen (well done for cleverness)

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    6. Impossible that VAR intervened without the official signal, this would go against Geiger. For sure this was reported by an official on the pitch. In case of clear mistake, Makkelie would have corrected them.

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    7. If I remember well, there was a short moment where Geiger was pointing to his headset, but I don't have any replays to confirm. And there has been the OFR signal as well, but that was made by a player from England :)

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  21. Too many "extra" non footballing things happening. Players sense that the referee is lacking authority, so they're going to push the limits since the referee hasn't established any

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    1. I don't see players wanting to accept the referee's authority. They challenge everything, in other games players accepted the calls or non-calls.. Things settle down after a few YC's.

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    2. Have they settled down? I think not. Cards came way too late.

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  22. Pitana and Faghani make the others smaller !!!!

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  23. Terry was sent off by Cakir in 2012 and I think this was more severe than Terry's foul.

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    1. No disrespect, but you have to be kidding

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  24. Graham Poll has his say
    VAR must have deemed that push with the head by Barrios as aggressive rather than violent - I’m surprised as it looked worthy of red to me.

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  25. Also, players always free of making VAR gestures without any card.
    That's for sure the worst aspect of this WC.
    A good level of officiating yes, but at the same time, a shocking management of the players, they are allowed to do everything they want.

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    1. Collina spoke about that on press conference. He said Yc only when they show it in aggressive and blatant manner

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    2. What does Collina even mean? Sounds like a cheap excuse he used to justify his referee's being unjustifiably overly lenient.

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    3. I already had a match last week were I called a PK, gave the goalkeeper a yellow for dogso (attempt to play the ball). He protested and said ''you need VAR'' and did the VAR sign. I gave him another yellow card. But since they allow this in the WC all lower leagues will think it's okay.

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  26. I quote this from the user Refinho, after POR-MAR

    "Geiger did well in my opinion, but you must always ask why so many players protested and not accepted him totally. Not his fault but maybe he has an aura (again topic is 'format') which doesn't automatically create trust, respect, followship."

    In my opinion, a perfect analysis. I always thought watching Collum and Geiger also, as a player, I wouldn't like them as referee.

    Geiger always whistles on the edge of losing control (not a criticism), and has done a largely good job so far in this match, prevention on a high level etc.

    To improve he could be more firm/strict, and whistle "smarter" freekicks to calm down players IMO

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    1. 'Geiger always whistles on the edge of losing control (...)‘. Agreed. He does not seem to be as accepted as other referees - that‘s not an observation of one single match but something one can detect in many or most of Geiger‘s matches. Not easy to find reasons, but the players don‘t seem to feel comfortable and disrespect him.

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    2. Some referee's just "have it" naturally. Whether it's based on a gifted physical appearance (Pitana) or having the ability to naturally and easily win over players (Kuipers). Unfortunately Mark has neither. He comes off as meek and mild mannered. And he's never had that connection with players. I guess you could say that Geieger and Collum are the "nerds" of referee's. Players don't necessarily know why they don't respect them. They just don't.

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  27. Well IMO with all the "extra" non footballing stuff that happened in the 1st half. Along with his perceived lack of on pitch presence and authority. His chances for something bigger have possibly taken a hit.

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  28. Geiger is loosing match control. I knew that an american referee will be a worst choice. He talks a lot, weak disciplinary, follow very far the game. Never will The final referee.

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    1. Geiger restored control of the match with a few proper YC for dissent. This is a very hard match and maybe one of the most difficult in the entire WC. Remember the american refree in '98?

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    2. He already refereed a final (U20 WC in 2011).

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  29. Geiger’s chewing a gum definitely does not help to his credibility...Somebody by now should have told him this.

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    1. Soham?
      He's definitely made it more that clear with Roldan. :D

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    2. I don't know why but the way Roldan chews the gum just makes me go mad at him :D

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  30. Anyone catch the shoulder in the chest by a COL team official on ENG's Sterling as ENG were leaving the field for the HT break?

    4O came over quickly to attempt to deal with it.

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    1. Yes, alert and concentrated Conger even after the halftime whistle.

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    2. Commentators mentioned this, said it was a Colombian assistant coach who gave a "shoulder barge" to Sterling. This is indeed a very difficult game for the referees.

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  31. Columbian players were not in any way interested in respecting this free kick. First they surround ball after a blatant foul, then they do not follow referee, then they fail to respect line, then there is pushing and a head butt, and then they fail to respect line 2nd time.

    Do you put this on the referee or the players? IMO the players. They made a complete meal of something that happens every game. However, I'm sure they've also seen Geiger's management style and can take advantage of it. If Geiger does not produce at least one YC next time they try this, THEN it is fully on him.

    Head butt. IMO a RC. I am extremely surprised VAR did not recommend a review. It is very clear Geiger did not see it (he was looking other way) and AR/4th Official (from distance) should not be recommending YC or RC.

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  32. Weak poorly managed 1st half. Now trying to "reign" it in by issuing a pretty soft caution early in the 2nd half.

    And still too much non footballing stuff.

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  33. Geiger very sure about this penalty. No doubts.

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    1. Imo wrong YC for Arias, too soft challenge. Correct PK at least.

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  34. Correct PK for ENG and YC !

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    1. Never. Both players push and pull. Geiger was tendencious and let down Colombia

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      One of the clearest PK on this WC

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  35. 52.min very soft YC ag. Arias - not necessary at all
    54.min PK and YC Sanchez. Correct.

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  36. Consistent PK given by Geiger. Massive protests - they do what they want.

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  37. Excellent penalty call. He warned them before the free kick and knew exactly where the trouble was going to be. Now has a very difficult job the rest of the game to gain acceptance from the Colombian players, who won't like the call.

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  38. Seen worse on many set pieces throughout the World Cup that have gone uncalled.

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  39. Not the best Geiger today with management

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    1. Incredible bad management. Clear PK, but it took 3/4 minutes before it was taken.

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  40. Look what they are doing with the penalty mark. Ruining it.

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    1. Geiger completely oblivious to the tactics and "gamesmanship" used by Colombian players.

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  41. How less acceptance a referee can have? This is a world cup 1/8 final...

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  42. What are refs doping in this wc? Only 2 ycs for dissent! This is horrible! It takes 4 minutes!

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  43. Geiger just put himself in game again. 100% hold, PK, and YC. Now MUST show at least one Columbian a YC for delaying -- not done and we have a mess again. England retaliates.

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  44. How long did that take? Unbelievable, no personality and acceptance by Geiger.

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  45. And now??? YC for english?

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    1. 3-4 COL players yell at referee for a couple of minutes, then suddenly an ENG player is booked. That is not easy to explain.

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  46. ... and Brych and Mazic still got no second match.

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    1. Mazic had second match.

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    2. Brych deserved to be sent home.
      Mazic will get a 1/4 i think... but he is similar to Geiger, bad management with card and dissent

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    3. Not even close to Geiger.

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    4. Mazic has got his 2nd match... Brych knocked out a country and ignored VAR so along with his huge ego he must be sent home!

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  47. Haha one Colombian was digging penalty spot with him shoe,, must be yc

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  48. Geiger has been pretty consistent. Besides, the holding/take down happened right in front of him after he warned the players.

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    1. Unfortunately equally consistent in not managing dissent and delays. One YC in 1st half free kick would likely have solved that issue.

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  49. Correct PK, but very bad management of the scene. YC for Henderson for a shove on a COL player?

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  50. I don’t understand... It was a clear RC here on Falcao, wasn’t it ?

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    1. You have a lot of problem with red card. Also yesterday. Red card is not a joke.

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    2. I’ve learned that a foot in the head is synonym of red card...

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    3. This was the incident. Player stepping over, head appears to come up into where the foot is going and...

      https://www.clippituser.tv/c/nbqgwg

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  51. It won‘t get better. Very tough game for Geiger now.

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  52. Faghani where are you? We need you!

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    1. What faghani ,, every r16 referees was great,, faghani fans came again

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    2. Not only Faghani, every other WC referee was better so far. But of course, we don't need a Brych or Marciniak in more than 1 game...

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    3. Surely. But he was the best with the managing of the dissent.

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    4. Faghani 2018 is not Irmatov 2010. No matter how hard people root for him.

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    5. Not best just was good,,if you say he is the Best it's not fair for other great referees

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    6. He was the best in MANAGING DISSENT. I didn't say he WAS THE BEST AT ALL.
      And of course, this is my opinion.

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  53. Geiger has definitely some problems in keeping control. This can't be a coincidence, let's remember Portugal - Morocco, he has not the same authority under the eyes of players, like other referees.

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  54. This match wille end on the police station because of poor management

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  55. Hello guys. Absolutely disaster for Geiger. What kind of management is this ? Ok there is a gesture by English player but how hell it’s possible here that nothing felt for the 13 of Columbia WHO was illegally inside the box whether referee orders were to go out. I repeat again. We are in World Cup. FIFA instructions about dissent and massive confrontations are absolutely criminal for football.

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  56. I lip read Geiger say to Sanchez "Do you want me to send you off" at one point

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  57. COL players now using any body-contact to fall and "make the Neymar".

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  58. Penalty decision 100% correct. For his own sake Carlos Sanchez should never go back to Colombia considering this foul and also what he did in the match vs Japan.

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  59. Totally lost control and authority.

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  60. Horacio Elizondo says he's lost both teams.

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  61. Finally a YC -- three events too late

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  62. WC finished for Geiger I’m afraid... What a disaster...

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  63. Will this end like Ivanov last WC match? XD

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    1. The Ivanov of 2018 or the Velasco Carballo of 2018

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    2. How many folks remember Velasco Carvalho here...what a disgrace for soccer he was!

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  64. Sorry to say it. But Bye bye any Final chances

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    1. As if he had any at all. I'm with Elizondo, a truly great referee by the way. We miss Elizondo!!!

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  65. Falcao outrageous now. YC for dissent. Geiger without any control. Cards will speak, let‘s whether he remains consistent and sends somebody off in the next minutes.

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  66. You can‘t only blame the ref for the heat in this game. The behaviour of the Colombians is disgusting!!

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    1. I have rarely seen such a despicable team as Colombia today, however Geiger is also partially at fault for being too soft and tolerating this behaviour.

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  67. Worst referee all The times of WC. Geiger os punishing only colombia. I dont realçou understand how Fifa appointments anyone without experience for round 16

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    1. Faghani, Rocchi or Skomina didn't have any experience before.

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    2. You don't learn at the round of 16 in the WC.

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  68. Well Geiger has totally lost control where is the authority

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  69. Geiger's management has been poor today; part of me thinks that the leniency directives don't bode well with him. In MLS I know that he is very good at using his cards as his most effective way of controlling the game, but perhaps the committee has disarmed him. Still, I think a yellow or two earlier in the game would have been worth it.

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    1. MLS directives and guidance are no better than the rubbish they're force fed in Russia. MLS is one of the most physically brutal leagues that I've seen. And the referee's are complicit in it.

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    2. "Disarmed"- the perfect word!

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    3. Brych didn't officiate in a "disarmed" manner. And yes I know that he missed a stonewall penalty. But his use of cards wasn't questioned nor was his control.

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  70. Seeing this match, I remember Real Madrid - Barcelona (UCL first leg, 10/11) with Stark. Impossible to manage.

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    1. Or Barcelona-Madrid this season with Hernández²

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  71. This could be leading straight into a catastrophe. Not one player from both sides accepts the ref who is losing his nervs too...

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  72. With the recent flurry of cards and fouls, Geiger seems to be sending a message that he's going to be ticky-tacky the rest of the way and not put up with any bullshit. Perhaps this message should have been sent much earlier though.

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  73. Geiger is on trouble. Not because of him. But because of fifa ridiculous politic. So, this is a clear dive. A big one. An obvious one. But you can’t book the player. So other teams are angry. They saw it. And you have to caution Falcao who said (too violently I agree) the TRUTH ! Unbelievable and poor poor Collina’s and Busacca’s gestion.

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    1. I guarantee that Brych would not have backed himself into this corner like Geiger has.

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    2. Benoît, let‘s be honest. This has nothing to do with any directives given by FIFA - simply no control and authority by Geiger. FIFA cannot do very much if a referee has a bad game.

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    3. Come on...please please. See directives in 1998 about violent tackles and dissents and talk with me after. That’s clearly a part of the problem. Lack of control and authority ok. But also dives permitted, dissents accepted, massive confrontations tolerated. Please see the image of CR7 on Ramos’s face and after please wonder to Mexican bloggers if the young ref from Mexico lets this kind of violence on his championship.

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    4. @Benoit,
      Do you remember what Geiger whistled in match Korea-Germany? Situatuon in Germany's penalty area. Hi gave YC to Korea player for diving.
      That was for big disscusion, was it diving or normal contact.

      Now, when he had clear diving, he didin't react. The referee put himself in trouble.

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  74. German commentator: 'We see the worst referee performance at this WC so far. I‘m sorry for both teams.‘

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    1. Spanish commentary teams says same things.

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    2. Disagree. Because referee isn’t free to manage how he knows to make. Because clear lack of charisma and personality in the other side. Clear!

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    3. The same from French commentators, who are usually tolerant with referees...

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    4. Unfortunately this impression is correct... no authority, no match control... very sad to see Geiger with such an unlucky performance :-(

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    5. Yet Brych didn't allow himself to be controlled by directives and or guidance. He worked in his manner and style. Nobody questioned his card use or his control.

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  75. With the mentality of the South American countries I think any referee would have problems with authority, but maybe smaller problems

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    1. I agree. And when the referees are told to be lenient on yellow cards, I think the Colombians knew that and took advantage of it. This is why these directives are a problem and make it very difficult for the referees. In the last 15-20 minutes though it seems like Geiger took the directives and threw them into the trash, and, who would have guessed it!, he seems to be wrestling back control of the game with lots of cards.

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    2. Brych wasn't controlled by directives or guidance. He was the "control".

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  76. How poor is that. A normal foul leading to a soft YC just to show he even punishes English players. 1 min.before he had ignored another one being worth a YC. The ref himself seems to be out balance.

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    1. Watch the replay. Lingard twists his arm dangerously and late and then rakes the top of his foot well after the ball is gone. It's a frustration foul by Lingard. Perhaps not a yellow card based upon the leniency directives that seem to exist at this World Cup, but IMO the only way to be in control of this game was to throw those directives into the trash.

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  77. How long time did it take to execute the PK - 3 or even 4 minutes? Felt like eternity

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  78. In your opinion, who would be the ideal referee for this game?

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    1. Pitana, Cakir, Kuipers, I'd even give Brych a 2nd chance.

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    2. Brych wohl have been perfect

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    3. I know its CONMEBOL vs UEFA but Caceres would have absolutely flourished. He's very good when the emotions run high.

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    4. After 75 minutes of play. This match with all the incidents has Brych written all over it.

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    5. I believe that appointing Skomina to this match and Geiger to SWE-SUI would be better..

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    6. Probably he would get it but mistake he made was unacceptable..

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  79. Penalty in 77‘? Looked very suspicious.

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  80. Joel Aguilar would have been a better ref. I don't think I have seen him ref a game since Sweden vs. South Korea, yet Geiger has 3 even though he had that bad first game.

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  81. I think after this match FIFA will not take any risk for sf and final,,we will see most experienced referees there surely

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  82. Well spotted by Geiger, no PK at all

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