Friday, 6 July 2018

2018 FIFA World Cup Match 58: Brazil - Belgium (discussion)

Let's discuss here the performance of  Milorad Mažić in Brazil - Belgium. Good luck to the officiating team! 
Match #58
Kazan, 6 July 2018 20:00 CET
Brazil - Belgium 
Referee: Milorad Mažić (SRB)
Assistant Referee 1: Milovan Ristić (SRB)
Assistant Referee 2: Dalibor Đurđević (SRB)
Fourth Official: Jair Marrufo (USA)
Fifth Official: Corey Rockwell (USA)
VAR: Daniele Orsato (ITA)
AVAR1: Pawel Gil (POL)
AVAR 2: Mark Borsch (GER)
AVAR 3: Felix Zwayer (GER)

190 comments:

  1. I think yet that Mazic isnt good referee for Brazil and Belgium. Will be tense

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  2. Not to complain before the match even started, but I'm intrigued to see how far his lenient line will go today. There are several players on a YC, including Neymar.

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    1. He showed that this approach can succeed, in intensive matches such as Fenerbahce-Benfica, Scotland-Ireland et al. But also it failed in Argentina-Iran, Atletico-Real.

      Maybe we need to see the 'old' Mazic, a top-down authority reinforced essentially by arrogance (Faghani showed this can still succeed).

      In summary, I am fully with you, I am fascinated as to how Mazic solves this match tonight.

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    2. Faghani doesn't appear to display arrogance in his matches IMO

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    3. Yeah I agree with Soham, Faghani doesn't appear "arrogant" to me, at least not nearly as much as Mazic does for better or for worse.

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  3. I dont agree with the selection either. This game could easily been the final . Will be a tough one. Good luck to Mazic anyway

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    1. Mažić is caliber for all finals.

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    2. @ Bozidar Nincic Ask to Mohammed Salah, what do he thinks about it

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    3. What a hell Salah have with Mažićs referring?

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    4. Look again final Champions League. Sergio Ramos broke Salah. Who was the referee? Mr. Mazic

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    5. Seriously? Two players tangled mutually. One ended up being a victim. Ramos may have been a little strong, but opponent has to expect that. These are not 10 year old boys.

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    6. Cheers Aldawg... Very good explanation.
      Fab GX,stop typing,watch and learn.

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    7. Shut up. Judo stroke wazari isnt football. Both are serbians?

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  4. We'll see who knows better - Collina and Bussaca or blogers here.
    I see that many of you sharpened your pencils in order to criticize Mazic for every decision. Well, you are in front of your phones, tablets, lap tops, and Mazic is in 1/4 finals of WC, officiating the biggest derby!

    Good luck to Milorad and his team!
    Ajde Mićo!

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    1. You have been and you still continue to be overly critical of Felix Brych for one mistake talking all sorts of conspiracy theories etc... We are also here to analyse things so no need to be aggressive just because someone doesn't have confidence in your countryman!

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    2. Also how on earth can a match between Brazil v Belgium be called a derby? 🤔

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    3. Watch the football, not only refereeing! Brasil and Belgium are two the best teams at WC!
      I criticized Brych after his big mistake, people started here to make statements about Mazic before the game started!

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    4. Soham are you kidding. Do you see what kind of players we have on both sides tonight?

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    5. @Filip It is not a "derby" match... The word "derby" has nothing to do with the kind of players we have on both sides!

      @Teo They have also shared their views from the past matches, the impression they have of Mazic... What's the problem in that??

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    6. @Teo We are fair, we are not like you

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    7. If this match is not derby, then you are watching wrong sport.

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    8. What's the definition of a "derby"? I need to clear that up first!

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    9. Match including two (one of) best teams in the WC.

      Without France, Brazil and Belgium are best teams in QF

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    10. Unfortunately that's not the meaning of a derby... Any match involving big teams or players isn't a derby... A derby match is a match in which the two participating teams are from the same city or a very close geographical proximity... Brazil v Belgium isn't one!

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    11. Soham, that is outdated definition of derby

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    12. Calm down guys,36 referees was so much already for wc,and you people getting angry each other for nothing,,ok this is el classico and everybody happy now

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    13. For now that's the only definition, my friend... The other usages are technically wrong!

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    14. I am sorry, but that would mean that matches such are Bayern Barcelona, Manchester Real, Argentina Germany, Spain Brazil are not derbies and that would be wrong.

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    15. Soham is actually right dere dats d tru definition of a derby. Unfortunately Brazil belgium isn't a derby

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  5. Excellent reaction against Fellani! He already identified the two problem players on the pitch.

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    1. Fellaini and who, Neymar??

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    2. Indeed, and you could see him talk to the Brazilian at 10', excellent prevention by the Serbian.

      He really improved to deal with problem players, since 2015.

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  6. Mazic already giving a stern talking-to to Fellaini after committing 2 fouls in the opening 6 minutes.

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    1. Nice proactive management from Mazic.

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  7. This game is going to be lightning quick, end-to-end, Belgium is trying to counter attack immediately after winning the ball. Will be a test for Mazic's anticipation, positioning, and fitness.

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  8. And he has started the game on a very high level. Hope he continues like that...brilliant foul detection and "theatre-detection", very good communication and positioning. Strong Mazic back on the field!?

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  9. No foul Lukaku. First mistake 25.

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    1. And nextone. Ellbow against head of Willian. He did not see it.

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  10. Some doubts about this foul called against Lukaku - for me regular action.

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    1. Replay shows it was foul. But if we talk only about this situation in whole 1st half then...

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  11. Reaction by Willian - no replay. It looked a RC live.

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  12. 2:0. Wow. History being repeated? Old trauma woken up? ...

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  13. Nice advantage before 2nd goal.

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  14. Mazic is 100% accepted on the pitch, no dissent at all. Strong first half.

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  15. 45': no penalty, correct decision, I don't need replay.

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    1. Correct for me as well!

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    2. I don't mind the no-call but I think penalty would have been supportable. Replay from behind the PA shows a moderate push into the attacker's back.

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    3. Then it would be the softest penalty of the year! Reaction from Neymar speaks all - no reaction from him at all.

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    4. Agree. Neymar is fully aware he cannot afford another YC, that is obvious. There was some contact, but he did not dive, and there was also no dissent.

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    5. Anywhere else on the field that's a foul :)

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    6. Thanks God, not in the penalty area

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  16. Well managed 1st half by Mazic... He is contributing to a nice game here!

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  17. 45'+1 I think rather wrong offside by AR1, at least he should have kept his flag down. Doubts.

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    1. He kept the flag until action ended.

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    2. I'll post an image, if you don't belive me :)

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  18. Tight offside in 45+1, well spotted.
    Bravo AR1!

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    1. Great decision - small offside, signalled after the action was finished. Dr Milovan Ristic :-)

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    2. Ristic is also a doctorate? Excellent!

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    3. Doctor for AR's job :-) I don't know what is his education.

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    4. Oh I see :) I though maybe he is also a doctorate like Brych!

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    5. Fun fact:
      Mažić also have phd, he is doctor of economy sciences.

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    6. Wow that's a great thing to know... Why doesn't he write Dr. Milorad Mazic? He must write it as it's a kind of honour too :)

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    7. Ristić works in railway company.
      Mažić is PhD of economy and works as a manager in big food producing company.

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  19. Good first half. Might want to keep an eye on tactical fouls by Brazil, even when given advantages.

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  20. Excellent Mazic. I would even say a masterclass in prevention refereeing. Total acceptance on the pitch. Sorry to the ratio of comments regarding very small mistakes in foul detection, I fear this blog has turned into mistake hunting. Start of 2H should be challenging for the Serbian, let's see how he solves it!

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  21. Good Mazic in 1st half... Expected level performance with good consistency overall!

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    1. I agree but 2nd halves are a different beast. Hope he hangs on.

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  22. 48' correct YC #2 BEL for a tactical fault

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    1. Correct time to produce the 1st YC... Well done!

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  23. 52', I don't understand, why Mazic made VAR gesture immediately after the incident? :)

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    1. I don't think he did, I thought he was telling Neymar he dove.

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    2. Probably say to Neymar that if he is wrong, VAR will interfere.
      Neymar deserves nickname "Fake"

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    3. Maybe telling the player to calm down as VAR will check all situations!

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    4. He showed diving gesture.
      Neymar would get YC if this is UCL

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  24. Where is YC for Neymar if that was dive?????????????

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    1. Man, 1 YC from the begining of the WC for simulating.

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  25. Correct no penalty, no dive decision

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    1. I would have loved to see him booked there, and be suspended for a potential quarterfinal... would have been a really good strong message to the world against diving in football.

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    2. There was some contact as defender adjusted his position. Caution for simulation not needed. Neymar accepted this fully and was not looking for a foul.

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    3. Neymar created the contact by deliberately putting his foot there to make it look line a trip

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  26. And that's what I was talking about. Clear simulation for me and therefore YC for Neymar. Mažić solved it with a verbal communication.

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    1. It is not referees fault here dear friend, there are guidelines by committee. Otherwise, all refeeres would have became suddenly unable to officiate. More than blatant simulations went unpunished under the nose of the same officials.

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  28. It is not acceptable to see such simulations without punishment.

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  29. The only question on this is if the ball was out of play by the time Kompany fouled Gabriel Jesus...

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    1. Video confirmed ball was out. Good call by both Mazic and VAR.

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    2. That was super tight. The best replay I had of ball leaving play did not clearly show timing of foul. Best replay of foul timing did not show exactly when ball left play.

      I'm assuming VAR is able to put the two screens together and make the correct decision.

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  30. Wondering what was in the water for Brazil at halftime...

    Much better from them.

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  31. This will interesting. To me ball is out then there is contact

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  32. Right through the old wicket...

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  33. Missed penalty by Mazic and VAR. Indeed, the shot has already been made, but definitely a reckless tackle.

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    1. But IMO the ball was out and the there was contact...

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    2. This has to be checked of course.

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    3. Jonas, replays clearly show that the ball was still in play after the contact started.

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    4. But then I don‘t understand why VAR did not recommend an in field review?

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    5. Soccer guy, there was a bit of contact and then the key contact. The key contact appeared to happen after ball was out of play.

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    6. No. I can confirm now that the ball was in play. Crucial mistake by Mazic and the VAR team - OFR should have been recommended.

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  34. Did the ball get out of play before the contact?

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    1. I missed this... Can someone describe me what this situation was about??

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    2. It is reported here:
      VAR confirmed that ball was out of play. Can someone confirm?

      @Soham
      Defender tackles on Gabriel Jesus near the line, there was contact, enough for the PK... but it seems that the ba was out.

      I'm happy then!

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    3. Was looking the derby mean from vocabulary:))

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    4. @Bugra hahahahahahahaha, good one!

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    5. I missed it because I was doing extensive research on the application of the word "derby"... Bugra is right!

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    6. I thought dear Soham you like to learn new things,,well done friend

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    7. I still get information from all the sources that derby applies only to teams from same city or very close geographical proximity :D

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    8. Teams from same city sure,, but media always call derby for big teams not important for them same city or not,, maybe that's why people use this term for all big matches

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  35. I HATE THAT. Why not yc for simulation in Neymar case? Referees don’t have balls! On this world cup was only one card for simulation.
    Refs doesn’t have the courage to whistle, because they know that they have VAR for back
    Up!

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    1. Referees have balls but they have those instructions (I don't like)

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    2. Any other tournament this will be YC but refs have instructions not to go beyond warnings

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    3. I know. But whay commite gave such instructions? It has no sense!

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    4. May have been very, very slight contact as defender adjusted position. No foul and no simulation is acceptable.

      Player would be suspended for a YC. Referee knows this and will give any benefit of doubt to Neymar. Neymar was not looking for a foul, accepted decision immediately, and even told his team (with his body language and effort) to get back to soccer.

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    5. I can understand this, I can't understand no YC for dissent.

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    6. We all know, that he is a diver, that he is looking for contact-this is one of criteria for simulatioin, as you may know.
      Yes, he has yc, but we - refs, don’t needt to thing ho have cards.

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  36. You can freeze picture and see that ball was out in a moment when Kompany touched opponent. 100% good decision in a very good co-op ref. and VAR.

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  37. Correct no penalty and confirmation by VAR. Ball was out then contact came. Excellent Mazic so far booking final spot..

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    1. Everything is fine but the ball wasn't out!

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  38. About the penalty incident, the ball was in play at the moment of the contact. Obviously VAR deemed the contact as not enough for a penalty. Clip to come shortly!

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    1. https://vimeo.com/278725875

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    2. Then I think Mazic should be called for OFR! Only ref on the pitch should make the final decision in such cases.

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    3. Ummmm... contact started on 00:23, right?

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    4. I must be honest, I thought there will be OFR and then the PK

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    5. Looks more PK than no PK for me to be honest... But maybe not a clear and obvious error for VAR to intervene? I'm sure if Mazic whistled PK then that would be backed too!

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    6. Thank you. In my opinion Mazic had to rewatch this incident. Not clear management by Orsato there.

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    7. I can confirm that. Ball was in play.
      https://www.pic-upload.de/view-35588414/BRA-BEL.png.html
      https://www.pic-upload.de/view-35588416/BRA-BEL2.png.html

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    8. As Aldawg Wiels stated earlier in the thread there seem to be two contacts. One when the ball was in play, and the next when ball already crossed the line. For VAR the first contact apparently wasn’t enough to deem the no-penalty decision as “clearly and obviously wrong”.

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    9. It is extremely tough decision. VAR took almost minute to decide what to do. I don't know what would be Mažić's final decision if he was called for OFR. Both calls seem supportable. Kompany took back his leg, but there was some kind of contact.

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    10. @DutchRef: The most sonorous contact was the first one as there was a clear contact at the level of the ankle. I‘m convinced that an OFR should have been taken place.

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    11. This is one that could have gone both ways. No PK can be supported, PK can be supported.

      Contact with ankle was trifling (nothing there), contact after that was more significant, but who caused it -- defender or attacker? Defender wasn't moving a whole lot but did put himself there carelessly. Attacker was moving at higher level of speed and made some choice not to avoid defender (he had time).

      All contact happened before ball was out of play (I correct my original statement).

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    12. VAR should leave the decision to Mazic. Imo Orsato and crew made an wrong assessment by making their own decision.

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    13. I have watched this for several minutes now back and forth and while I would say that it is more likely than not that a substantial contact occurred just before the ball went out, I am still not sufficiently confident to label it a clear and obvious error. So I am kind of with the VAR here.

      In any case, amazing match by Mazic. Flawless. Perfect.

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  39. 2_1 and hot minutes starting for mazic now

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  40. You see in this video that Kompany taking back his legs, there is no penality. Gabriel Jeus hit in Kompany legs and thats it.

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  41. Maziç shows why UEFA refereeing is the best in the world.

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  42. 90'+1 not enough for a penalty there. For me not even need of VAR.
    Neymar is always allowed to do what he wants: simulations, protests, never a card. I really hate that!

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    1. There is small contact... Not enough for PK, but enough for Brasilians to make protests after the match. Two suspicious situation and both against them.

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    2. I totally agree with you Chefren. My only criticism on Mazic is stoppage time. He finished exactly on 5 mins despite Courtois spend time, DeBruyne waving his hands to supporters... these should have been added.

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  43. Correct decision for me in 91’- no penalty. But once again...i can’t understand, how can neymar ended the match without card?!

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    1. Mazic is easily handling Neymar with personality. He is not a fool. A card won't serve any purpose and isn't, in fact, correct if there is some contact.

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    2. Aldwag...at some point you have right! But neymar doing what he wants in every single game! And reefs need to stop that!

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    3. Exactly Aldawg, exactly!

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  44. I‘m sure that there will be massive protests against the decision to play on in the early minutes of second half. If we exclude this incident, I saw a good Mazic. Full control.

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  45. Good disciplinary control and consistency in his decisions, super Mazic! On the top of that, full acceptance!
    Just to mention,many times we criticize positioning, he was excellent in that.

    And just one side note..Mazic is a great contestant. He knows when to show the best performance and in each of his games he has been better and better. Wouldn't rule him out for further appointment! Well done Serbian crew!

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    1. Belive me, in a terms of fitness, positioning and movement, Mažić take it to the next level in UEFA refereeing.

      That's not my opinion, Werner Helsen call him 'Rambo'.

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    2. One of the oldest referees in this World Cup... The oldies are indeed redefining fitness these days ;)

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    3. He is better in fitness and alertness than most of Serbian players that played at WC :-)

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  46. For me, one of the best performances on the tournament

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  47. So strong candidate for final ?

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  48. No words for how good Mazic was tonight.

    People on here will say it was a regular performance in an easy match- no! Mazic made the hardest match of the championship look pretty easy, all thanks to him.

    Card selection, prevention, management of the players, control, acceptance- all on an extremely high level IMO.

    Don't blame him for Neymar no-YC, he managed him the best he possibly could with guidelines. No penalty, no OFR, is not his fault.

    I imagine I'm in a minority but that was a 8,8-9,0 level performance, based on performance principle as it stands tonight he should be given the final.

    CHAPEAU MR MAZIC!!

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  49. Superb Mazic! Well done!

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  50. Very good performance by Mazic in an important game and he has proved our doubts wrong... Expected level performance in a normal difficulty game and the mark should be 8.4... Not sure he should get the final ahead of Pitana or even Faghani but can't say he is not in the race!

    France v Belgium semi-final seems to be Cakir's game now!

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    1. Maybe just say he proved you wrong. I think most of us had no doubt about his abilities, he was a great choice for this game.
      Anyhow I agree we are around 8.4, maybe 8,5.

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    2. I know it's a weird argument but I wonder if Cakir will indeed get a semifinal again after the World Cup four years ago. I would rather expect him in one of the other matches or even consider that he will remain without a third appointment. He could for instance easily have handled URU - FRA today instead of awarding Pitana already his fourth match.

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    3. @Theref Look at the beginning of the post and see that there are other people doubting him as well... Also the penalty situation is getting clearer so basically he is still with a crucial mistake having a direct effect on the outcome of the match... I think that ends all his chances for the Final because of the missed PK for Brazil!

      @Peter I also had various feelings like these but to imagine Cakir without a 3rd match was tough and I would be very surprised if he doesn't get another appointment!

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    4. ... getting clearer, but it is still not clear, and more than half an hour passed since the final whistle...

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  51. Wow. Meier claiming it's a clear pk despite the replay showing Kompany pulled back. A shame how Meier continues to do nothing but talk badly about other referees.

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    1. The video showed that the hit was before the ball crossed the line. So he massivly criticized the VAR. Not the referee. And he is absolutly right.

      Apart from that scene, which is difficult to access for the referee, a brilliant Mazic tonight.

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    2. For me, Kompany pulled back and there's only a contact when Gabriel Jesus jumped over him.

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  52. U19 EURO in Finland - 16th-29th July

    Referees:
    Manuel Schüttengruber ( AUT )
    Jonathan Lardot ( BEL )
    Bartosz Frankowski ( POL )
    Andrew Dallas ( SCO )
    Juan-Martinez Munuera ( ESP )
    Sandro Schärer ( SUI )

    Assistant referees:
    Damit Lazic ( BIH )
    Bojan Zobenica ( KRO )
    Daniel-Richard Norgaard ( DAN )
    Aron Härsing ( EST )
    Bryngeir Valdimarsson ( ISL )
    Joakim Amir-Nilsson ( SWE )

    4th officials:
    Ville Nevalainen ( FIN )
    Petri Viljanen ( FIN )

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    1. Andrew Dallas same family as Hugh Dallas?

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    2. http://law5-theref.blogspot.com/2018/05/2018-uefa-under-19-championship.html

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    3. No problem! I know that it is difficult to follow everything there, you did a good thing.
      Yes, Andrasch, he is Hugh's son.

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  53. Normaöly I would say: Very good Mazic in all aspects. Compliments. BUT: For me crucial mistake. PK absolutely mandatory. The ball still in play and clear foul. What was going on in Videoroom? Sleeping? Unbelievable and tragic.

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  54. Great Mazić, perfect match for him!

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  55. German ZDF showed it perfectly in many angles. I must say it even clearer: Crystal clear penalty missed. Ball was definitely in play and there was a reckless contact with the opponent‘s angle. No doubts now.

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  56. After having taken my time, watched and rewatched the incident, in my opinion clear penalty there. The contact that happens when ball is still in play, is a clear penalty committed by Belgium's player.

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  57. Now as WC turned into EURO everything possible for HF and finals. All refs still.in the Collinalottery.

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  58. embarrassing performance of Mazic.

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  59. The penalty incident with company is extremely clear with the benefit of replay. Extremely clear. Not a matter of opinion. Clear and obvious foul. Ball was 100% still inside the field of play. VAR shocking again.

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  60. In my country, commentator said that this is a clear penalty by kompany.

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  61. Some media people have already started the conspiracy theory game... UEFA referee + UEFA VAR in Brazil v Belgium is viewed as a conspiracy... So disgusting! Appoint CONMEBOL referee Pitana for Uruguay v France, no problem but appoint UEFA referee Mazic in Brazil v Belgium and all hell breaks loose!

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  62. End of part 1.
    Part 2 will follow soon :)

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