Tuesday, 1 November 2022

Champions League 2022/23 - Referee Appointments - Matchday 6 (I)

2022-23 UEFA Champions League Group Stage Matchday 6, referees in charge of Tuesday's games. 


1 November 2022

18:45 CET - Porto (Estádio do Dragão)
FC Porto (POR) - Atlético Madrid (ESP)  | Group B
Referee: Daniele Orsato (ITA)
Assistant Referee 1: Ciro Carbone (ITA)
Assistant Referee 2: Alessandro Giallatini (ITA) 
Fourth Official: Davide Massa (ITA)
Video Assistant Referee: Massimiliano Irrati (ITA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Pol van Boekel (NED) 
UEFA Referee Observer: Michael Thomas Ross (NIR)
UEFA Delegate: Igor Radojčić (SRB)

18:45 CET - Leverkusen (BayArena) 
Bayer Leverkusen (GER) - Club Brugge (BEL)  | Group B
Referee: Maurizio Mariani (ITA)
Assistant Referee 1: Fabiano Preti (ITA)
Assistant Referee 2: Daniele Bindoni (ITA) 
Fourth Official: Francesco Fourneau (ITA)
Video Assistant Referee: Paolo Valeri (ITA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Jérôme Brisard (FRA)
UEFA Referee Observer: Sokol Jareci (ALB) 
UEFA Delegate: Christian Kofoed (DEN)

21:00 CET - Liverpool (Anfield)
Liverpool  FC (ENG) - SSC Napoli (ITA) | Group A
Referee: Tobias Stieler (GER) 
Assistant Referee 1: Christian Gittelmann (GER)
Assistant Referee 2: Mark Borsch (GER) 
Fourth Official: Martin Petersen (GER)
Video Assistant Referee: Bastian Dankert (GER)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Fedayi San (SUI)
UEFA Referee Observer: Kyros Vassaras (GRE) 
UEFA Delegate: Eduard Dervishaj Nelaj (ESP) 

21:00 CET - Glasgow (Ibrox Stadium) 
Rangers (SCO) - Ajax (NED)  | Group A
Referee: Glenn Nyberg (SWE)
Assistant Referee 1: Mahbod Beigi (SWE)
Assistant Referee 2: Andreas Söderqvist (SWE)
Fourth Official: Joakim Östling (SWE)
Video Assistant Referee: Marco Fritz (GER)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Stuart Atttwell (ENG) 
UEFA Referee Observer: Neale Barry (ENG) 
UEFA Delegate: Georges Lüchinger (LIE)

21:00 CET - Munich (Fußball Arena München)
Bayern München (GER) - FC Internazionale (ITA)  | Group C
Referee: Ivan Kružliak (SVK)
Assistant Referee 1: Branislav Hancko (SVK)
Assistant Referee 2: Jan Pozor (SVK) 
Fourth Official: Michal Ocenáš (SVK)
Video Assistant Referee: Dennis Higler (NED)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Benoît Millot (FRA)
UEFA Referee Observer: Björn Kuipers (NED)
UEFA Delegate: Dane Jošt (SVN)

21:00 CET - Plzeň (Stadion města Plzně)
Viktoria Plzeň (CZE) - FC Barcelona (ESP) | Group C
Referee: Radu Petrescu (ROU) 
Assistant Referee 1: Radu Ghinguleac (ROU)
Assistant Referee 2: Mircea Mihail Grigoriu (ROU)
Fourth Official: Marcel Birsan (ROU)
Video Assistant Referee: Marco Di Bello (ITA) 
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Ovidiu Haţegan (ROU)
UEFA Referee Observer: Matteo Simone Trefoloni (ITA)
UEFA Delegate: Bert Andersson (SWE)

21:00 CET - Marseille (Vélodrome) 
Olympique Marseille (FRA) - Tottenham (ENG)  | Group D
Referee: Szymon Marciniak (POL) 
Assistant Referee 1: Paweł Sokolnicki (POL)
Assistant Referee 2: Tomasz Listkiewicz (POL)
Fourth Official: Tomasz Musial (POL)
Video Assistant Referee:Tomasz Kwiatkowski (POL)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Bartosz Frankowski (POL)
UEFA Referee Observer: Martin Ingversson (SWE)
UEFA Delegate: Steen Dahrup (DEN)

21:00 CET - Lisbon (Estádio José Alvalade)
Sporting CP (POR) - Eintracht Frankfurt (GER) | Group D
Referee: Slavko Vinčić (SVN)
Assistant Referee 1: Tomaž Klančnik (SVN)
Assistant Referee 2: Andraž Kovačič (SVN)
Fourth Official: David Smajc (SVN)
Video Assistant Referee: Juan Martínez Munuera (ESP)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Alejandro Hernández (ESP)
UEFA Referee Observer: Jon Eilif Skjervold (NOR)
UEFA Delegate: Neil Morrow (NIR)        
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  1. Quilava30 October 2022 at 10:12

    Porto - Atlético: Orsato (ITA)
    Leverkusen - Brugge: Mariani (ITA)
    Liverpool - Napoli: Stieler (GER)
    Rangers - Ajax: Nyberg (SWE)
    Bayern - Inter: Kružliak (SVK)
    Viktoria Plzeň - Barcelona: Petrescu (ROU)
    Marseille - Tottenham: Marciniak (POL)
    Sporting CP - Eintracht: Vinčič (SVN)

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  2. matei1430 October 2022 at 10:20

    UCL debut for Radu Petrescu

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  3. Chefren30 October 2022 at 10:31

    Marciniak in Marseille: I would have put a hand on fire for that.
    Well.. after big complaints, no matter if clubs are right or not, big names. However, this time it wasn't for the decision itself, but more generally the difficulty of the group, with all four teams having a chance, incredibile scenario. Indeed, we have Vincic in the other game. But... exactly Marciniak in Conte's game can be in case a switch of last minute, because one could have expected the opposite (in Lisbon game is more open on paper and teams closer in standings).
    As for the rest, now they try again with Stieler as Siebert is not in good form, the management of German Elite referees is more than weird. They are used just because the other options don't show good performances in most of the cases, indeed we can't draw any conclusion on how names like Zwayer and Stieler are exactly considered by committee. They are just Germans under their eyes and so, they get appointments in a very alternate way. Now with Vassaras one could even wonder if they have again a focus on him...
    Orsato and Mariani in group A are clearly appointments made before knowing the last week's scores, indeed no need of Orsato, Atlético is out. You can see that committee had already planned everything.
    Mariani back in Champions after his poor performance in last game, they opted for a minor game to do that... one can still discuss about this opportunity.
    In Glasgow a good appointment for Nyberg for his development, while the focus on Kruzliak is now very clear, they want him baxck again as reliable Elite, and I must say that, in a quite weird context of assignments, the management of the Slovakian was something good, at first minor games and he did well than past, now the chance with spotlights (but game not important for qualification). Well if they manage to recover him, this can be only a good thing. I think he can show a by far better level than other Elite in a similar situation...
    Last but not least: we discussed on the blog about Petrescu possible debut, but it was unlikely due to his previous assignments and some poor performances. He also officiated in Conference League, surely not the best presentation for getting then Champions League.
    But... based on all the assignments, the past experience and the path he had, the appointment was possible. Of course one must mention Vassaras in committee as key person, otherwise there wouldn't have been such big focus on Romanian referees and also, why not, the fact that Hategan is out, with only Kovacs as Romanian in this group stage, maybe in part allowed this choice. This situation shows us that the nationality of committee members is always a factor, a referee can be good, but if he has somebody from his country in the committee, it is even better. Basically I think Petrescu can be good referee, but based on recent appointments, how much this CL debut was deserved?

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    1. Peter30 October 2022 at 11:48

      As for Petrescu: I think we should await the Europa League (and Conference League) appointments. Games like AS Roma - Ludogorets (positions 2 and 3, 7 points each), Feyenoord - SS Lazio and Midtjylland - Sturm Graz in group F (completely open) or AS Monaco - Crvena Zvezda and Trabzonspor - Ferencváros in group H (three teams fight for the second place) are currently more important than Viktoria Plzeň - FC Barcelona in the Champions League.

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    2. matei1430 October 2022 at 11:48

      I have some remarks to make about the the appointments of Orsato and Mariani (in group B and not A). Both games are important, with stakes. Atletico is out from UCL indeed, but they really need to fight for the 3rd place that goes to UEL. Porto will try to win their game to get the first place of the group, while Leverkusen, who push for 3rd place have all the chances to win their game with Brugge, who also want to get the first place in the group. I think both games need good referees, this is why I think Mariani got a very good match; and Orsato`presence here is justified even by the fact that Atletico is involved. This games are far more important than you let it to be understood.

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    3. Dukat19230 October 2022 at 13:30

      I agree with matei14 on this, I even expected something similar, especially for Atletico's game: we all know their style of play and the amount of pressure they put on referees. There is also one minor aspect, maybe less important, but still present, and I tend to call it "old grudges". We all know what happened in this game last year. Who knows, maybe some tension is still "in the air" and may come out now when Atletico need a win.

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    4. Dukat19230 October 2022 at 13:37

      One other thing I just noticed: Massa as the FO in the same game. Interesting choice, especially when his recent status is taken into consideration, as well as the fact that no other referee of similar status is used in this role. Maybe a tactical choice regarding prevention among the benches?

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    5. Silviu30 October 2022 at 19:13

      IMO Horatiu Fesnic is a way better referee than Petrescu. Firstly, he has a better management than Petrescu, who is a little bit shy and sometimes he doesn't even seem sure about his decisions in game. Secondly, Fesnic is a bit fitter than Petrescu.
      To sum up, Fesnic should have been the one who got the debut in UCL.

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    6. Chefren1 November 2022 at 14:20

      @Dukat192
      About Massa fourth official, after having read all Italian appointments for this week, I must say that all Italian FIFA referees are busy, including Pairetto and Chiffi (the new ones). So clearly no option for this game as fourth official, if not a NO FIFA official, and indeed I think that committee wanted Massa exactly for this reason. Otherwise they could have easily appointed a NO FIFA referee, like we can see in other games (Fourneau with Mariani in Leverkusen).
      That's another confirmation that appointments were made before knowing last matchday's scores.

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  4. Philipp S30 October 2022 at 10:44

    Third time in a row and fourth game overall, that Frankfurt has Martinez Munuera as VAR. I think, this could have been avoided, e.g. by changing him with Higler on Tuesday.

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  5. Chefren30 October 2022 at 11:34

    Asked by Hans.
    Allard Lindhout in Fiorentina - İstanbul Başakşehir.
    Overall, a normal difficulty game with a missed YC, the responsibility can be shared with AR2, but the latter was also focused on offside. The foul was totally missed, so this means referee didn't see anything. The rest, expected level performance in a game without too many refereeing incidents. Based on the issued cards, rather strict approach, but some situations more would have helped us to understand in this regard.

    32' YC for SPA / stopping a counterattack
    https://streamable.com/v1e07s

    34' YC for dissent
    https://streamable.com/txna7b

    39' YC for reckless challenge
    https://streamable.com/g2b7aq

    59' Missed YC for step on foot
    Live: https://streamable.com/01teq7
    Replay: https://streamable.com/7k91m6

    67' YC for reckless use of arms
    https://streamable.com/ogmm0y

    86' YC for holding / deliberately stopping opponent
    https://streamable.com/3eh3xw

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  6. Chefren30 October 2022 at 11:41

    I also watched João Pinheiro in Belgrade and indeed absolutely expected level performance under the eyes of Rosetti by the Portuguese.
    The game was absolutely fair, there weren't particular or challenging situations for referee. This was in my opinion the game with the biggest difference between the expectation (as we discussed on the blog a few days ago) and the real progress of the play. Definitely almost nothing to do for him,basically a good thing, but yes he was ready and alert when needed and Rosetti will be surely satisfied. However, in terms of a real technical and "under pressure" assessment, incredibile to say, this in Belgrade was a NO TEST.

    25' YC for reckless challenge
    https://streamable.com/ymnyl3

    44' YC for reckless challenge
    https://streamable.com/74fy8g

    60' Management / prevention
    https://streamable.com/5cz5eb

    90'+1 Wonderful indirect free kick decision for dangerous play, something forgotten in modern football, simulation by Serbian player, he wasn't hit in face, good decision by referee
    https://streamable.com/ys3zpy

    90'+2 Management, small moment of tension
    https://streamable.com/5gha99

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    1. Chefren30 October 2022 at 11:45

      25' and 44' links are inverted, sorry :)

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    2. matei1430 October 2022 at 12:06

      Glad to see that João Pinheiro continues to deliver good performances. I have high hopes/expectations for him, a big talent. I also have to praise myself this time, even from July I was predicting a fast developing for him this season.
      https://law5-theref.blogspot.com/2022/07/202223-uefa-champions-league-second.html?showComment=1657832312940#c5406646020173965241

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    3. Promo30 October 2022 at 18:47

      Has he any chance for MD6?

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  7. M30 October 2022 at 14:21

    OT

    Again french violence in action.

    2 RC's issued by Millot in Auxerre-Ajaccio,1st can be backed while 2nd is one of the most brutal fouls I have ever seen.

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  8. Flip30 October 2022 at 15:00

    Germany:
    Quite some controversy after yesterday's Bundesliga matches - here are two incidents:

    1) Bayern München - FSV Mainz, handled by Benjamin Cortus [VAR: Markus Schmidt]: penalty (goalkeeper infringement) after OFR
    https://streamable.com/nx6t7r

    2) Eintracht Frankfurt - Borussia Dortmund, handled by Sascha Stegemann [VAR: Robert Kampka]: potential penalty (pushing) + non-genuine DOGSO, no VAR intervention
    https://streamable.com/aut8rh

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    1. Law 5 Commenter30 October 2022 at 16:49

      1) Looks like a good call due to head/face involvement and rules being meant to protect players. 2) Inexplicable how the referee and VAR missed the push in the back.

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  9. Mikael W30 October 2022 at 18:20

    Some clips from last night's Libertadores final.
    The normal difficulty game was soundly refereed by Argentina's Patricio Loustau:

    Second YC: https://streamff.com/v/fVUArTjZzQ
    Violent Conduct?: https://streamff.com/v/Kc_o0LOpM6
    Onside for goal: https://streamff.com/v/VdSEijBKWD
    Penalty?: https://streamff.com/v/KsUVhCw8Cg

    And the referees medals :)
    https://streamff.com/v/14W9uYkmIh

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    1. xabi30 October 2022 at 20:13

      Thanks, Mikael. What a great referee Patricio Loustau! He reminds me Orsato in some aspects: his fitness isn't good, but strong personality, body language and lidership. He is one of the best in Conmebol, he deserved a world cup in his palmares, a pity.

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  10. Chefren30 October 2022 at 18:27

    Osasuna - Valladolid I don't understand what happened after second goal in the 18' minute? OFR for offside, referee was invited, but he had to check whether a new action had startted or not after the previous offside. VAR was unable to make this assessment and left it to referee? That's quite absurd, if confirmed. Good that Cuadra took correct decision, it helped the fact that he is a VAR expert.

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  11. M30 October 2022 at 22:06

    I dont know abou Melero and this penalty against Real...

    https://onetwodrop.com/v/53du8ka

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    1. Chefren30 October 2022 at 22:33

      Well, absolutely particular incident.
      I think we have to talk about arm and forearm.
      While the forearm is in a punishable position, one can't say the same about the arm, it was absolutely in natural position and close to shoulder. Nevertheless, I think that VAR made an assessment by putting together arm and forearm and so according to him this was penalty because not in natural position. I think this can be discussed, but mostly a sofisticated analsysis. Expected decision here is play on, never clear and obvious mistake, a few chances to support it if whistled on the field directly by referee.

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    2. VG30 October 2022 at 22:34

      Unnatural position. Nothing to discuss. The fact that it touched the chest first doesn't matter. Unnatural position is always unnatueal position and it's clear in the laws of the game.

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    3. Unknown30 October 2022 at 23:06

      Come on, unnatural…. Unnatural are defenders who put their arms behind their backs the very second they enter the penalty area. Unnatural are players who continuously have to think about where to put their arms during a 90+ minutes football match. IMO several of the positions which are deemed unnatural are really not that unnatural from the perspective of playing football and kinesiology.
      Admitted, it’s very difficult to produce criteria which feel fair and at the same time create uniformity when talking about handballs. But the Girona penalty call, especially after VAR-intervention, does not make me happy honestly.

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  12. Fortify 30 October 2022 at 23:29

    With request of Elias here are some clips of Xhaja match in Villarreal – Hapoel Beer Sheva (2-2)
    Good performance. As I seen even in other matches nice style by Xhaja and a lot of confidence when he takes important decisions. Also, he like a lot to let the game flow with not whistle soft contacts and play advantage, sometimes I would prefer a whistle like in 6’. If he doesn’t have a MD6 very good ending of the year in his development and expected promotion in December IMO

    2' possible YC in early minutes. IMO very good reaction by referee, I would prefer no card in this minute
    https://streamable.com/lzueq9
    6' Advantage (better to whistle)
    https://streamable.com/7qn06k
    32' Good onside AR2
    https://streamable.com/v6n3m1
    37' Disallowed Goal AR1 (good decision, bad position)
    https://streamable.com/i7fee7
    46' Penalty for HAP (good position, correct PK for stretched arm)
    https://streamable.com/wbrm76
    53’ YC (first YC of the match for stamping. What I liked here is that Xhaja waited for a possible advantage at the penalty area)
    https://streamable.com/jg1z66
    56' Goal VIL (advantage by referee at the beginning then even if attacker is in offside position, with replay we can see that he is not in line of vision of GK. Good Goal
    https://streamable.com/6i19ws
    63' YC
    https://streamable.com/oq1c77
    66' YC (Stamping)
    https://streamable.com/hyws4m
    73' YC Reckless
    https://streamable.com/jyozol
    77' Penalty appeal (Handball) Correct NO PK natural position
    https://streamable.com/35eldm
    90+3 missed YC SPA
    https://streamable.com/djzc4k


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  13. Ichigo31 October 2022 at 08:43

    I have the same opinion with Silviu. Fesnic should have the debut in Champions League. He is more younger than Petrescu. I don't know what perspective are for Radu Petrescu because he is 40 years old. Fesnic is only 33 years. By the way, the only game suitable for a debut in wednesday games is in Madrid. or mabye he will get an important games in UEL or UECL.

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  14. JB1 November 2022 at 08:09

    https://youtu.be/_Gexq1jHvdM

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    1. JB1 November 2022 at 08:11

      MLS Western Conference Final (Ref: Armando Villarreal, VAR: Tim Ford). PK not given, reccomended for review, decision maintained. Thoughts? IMO this is a PK. Should have been overturned

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    2. Euro Soccer Ref1 November 2022 at 16:41

      He really rewatched it and upheld the no-penalty decision? Wow, I'm shocked...

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    3. Dukat1921 November 2022 at 23:41

      Really bad mistake, IMO, even live on field, however if you rewatch this and still make such a mistake... Well, it's just bad.

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  15. Chefren1 November 2022 at 20:30

    68' Disallowed goal for Atlético, previous foul.
    The player was booked for step on foot.
    Good that Orsato waited for the goal before whistling, this allowed VAR to check the incident, very often we saw similar cases with early whistles by referees for "normal" play fouls.
    https://streamable.com/ojiclz

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    1. Ref_17071 November 2022 at 20:39

      Excellent management. In situations like this, you can detect whether a referee is experienced or not.

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  16. Chefren1 November 2022 at 21:19

    Bayern - Inter OFR
    https://streamable.com/ppm0oo
    No penalty for Kruzliak.

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  17. Fortify 1 November 2022 at 21:21

    https://streamable.com/nx3l0q
    OFR in Munich for possible PK handball.
    I have to praise Kruzliak for staying in his decision. Defender has his hand in front of the face at the moment of handball. Not at all making his body bigger. IMO wrong OFR by Higler

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    1. CWY21901 November 2022 at 21:24

      He's moved his arm into the path of the ball. It's deliberate handling. Making his body bigger has nothing to do with it.

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    2. Chefren1 November 2022 at 21:29

      I think:
      In favor of penalty = movement of arms resulting in perception as a save
      against penalty = protecting the head / not increasing body's volume (ball wouldn't have passed without the handball)

      It is a grey area to me, more penalty due to movement and perception, but I think one can fully understand what Kruzliak assessed there, the big problem is only about handballs in football, all referees from different nationalities can have their ideas, indeed in this case VAR from another country with a different opinion and this was the result.
      I will be never annoyed to write that. That's a big issue in football if you ask me. This rule should be changed.

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    3. MT1 November 2022 at 21:32

      At the moment of the handball, the hands are straight in front of the defender's face - in line with his body. Absolutely correct decision to stick with the original decision and award a corner kick. Yes, the arms move into a position which enlarges the body, however all of this happens AFTER the potential handball offence. Great call IMO.

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    4. Fortify 1 November 2022 at 21:36

      Yes he is moving the hand into the path off the ball but for protection of his face. As Chefren said that ball would never pass even if was not a handball there. Anyone can find arguments in favor of PK but in the spirit of the game i strongly prefer NO PENALTY here.

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    5. Unknown1 November 2022 at 21:43

      Now Bjorn has to mark down his compatriot or grade Kruzliak a 7.4 :)

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    6. Nole1 November 2022 at 21:45

      If we compare this situation with lot of handballs recently whistled as PK, this is stonewall PK. Just see penalty against Real this weekend - did Asensio increased his body? No. Did the ball touched his chest first, and then hand? Yes. Did he moved his hand towards the ball? No. The distance also... If we compare only this two situations, this handball by Mane is much more penalty, and there are lot of arguments in favor of that.

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    7. Chefren1 November 2022 at 21:52

      Yes, because we have different referees taking decisions, asking for consistency in handballs even more at international stage is simply impossible. One must accept that.
      About Kuipers, indeed he would be in a clear conflict of interest, having to assess Higler call, in case he thinks it was wrong... I would avoid the appointments of observers and committee members with VAR from the same nationality, but this has become very common recently in UEFA.

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    8. VG1 November 2022 at 21:56

      I like this call. He didn't make himself bigger. He prevented himself from being knocked out. Who would not attempt to block a ball flying at 120 km/h towards your head? It's a natural human movement and since he didn't make himself bigger there is nothing there. It's not a deliberate handball either.

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    9. Dukat1921 November 2022 at 22:10

      I strongly prefer no penalty here. VG sums it up perfectly: this is a completely natural reaction by the player. I also don't see him enlarging his body surface: without hitting the hand, this ball would have hit his head (and also probably knocked him down). Therefore, I agree with all of you who deem this as non penalty.

      Nole is right in bringing up the penalty against Real during the weekend, however I have to say I was completely against that penalty decision when I initially saw it.

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    10. petschovschi2 November 2022 at 01:15

      For me this is 100% penalty.

      Mane had all the time in the world to see the ball and have a proper reaction. If you want to protect yourself, just bend yourself. The ball won't hit your face. In football you can't use the hands like Mane did. When the hands are in a higher position than your shoulder, it's always handball.

      P.S. if an event like this one occurs in the wall, after a free kick, it's always penalty.

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    11. Andrasch Neunert2 November 2022 at 02:48

      This is a typical example for a situation, where BOTH possible decisions are supportable, thats why it was NOT a situation for a VAR intervening. I personally prefer Kruzliaks decision for play on, but I must admit, that he only followed tge idea and philosophy behind the rulds, but not 100% the LOTG in that situation. But a game, where a pure reflex reaction to protect one's face would be not humane and fair at all. Thats why referees need some possibility of showing sensitivity here, but those coming to a different result should get support, too.

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    12. Andrasch Neunert2 November 2022 at 02:51

      ... where a pure reflex reaction to protect... WERE PUNISHED, would not be...

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    13. Philipp S2 November 2022 at 09:43

      If you are saying, that he puts his hands there to protect his face, you are basically are saying he expects the ball there and wants to block it with his hand. Isn't that nearly the definition of "deliberate" then?
      Increasing the body surface becomes irrelevant, if it's already deliberate.
      And as far as I know, reflex movements are normally assessed as deliberate in terms of the handball law. Otherwise we needed to discuss in many more situations, where the hand clearly moves to the ball, whether it was a reflex or not.

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  18. Chefren1 November 2022 at 21:31

    https://streamable.com/1vciwk
    :D

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  19. Chefren1 November 2022 at 21:45

    Quiet first half for Stieler in Liverpool, only a few moments of tension, solved by referee with a convincing interaction with players. Expected level.

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  20. Ref_17071 November 2022 at 22:14

    Very, very close call in LIV-NAP, impossible to say whether it was an offside position. Now, after a long check even with the technology, Stieler got a signal that it was offside. Goal for Napoli disallowed.

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    1. Chefren1 November 2022 at 22:19

      Well, after having watched the footage by SAOT, I must say this is something speechless. Absolutely zero chances for an assistant referee to compete with the machine...

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  21. Ref_17071 November 2022 at 22:20

    Correct handball penalty whistled by Vincic, no foul before that.

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    1. Dondi1 November 2022 at 22:27

      The movement was trigered by the contact, more over the ball came from the head of the other player which is a short distance. Of course no foul, but the only argument for penalty is that the arm is far from the body,. But this happened for a reason. I am not happy with the call tbh

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    2. Chefren1 November 2022 at 22:32

      https://dubz.co/v/0y4v52
      A so open arm must be punished. Player was not aware where ball was, but that arm's position is enough. Impossible to play on.

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    3. Dukat1921 November 2022 at 22:38

      Agreed, arm simply too outstretched. Also looks a little bit too theatrical to throw your arm out like this, I have a feeling he was trying to "win" a foul.

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    4. Dondi1 November 2022 at 22:43

      LotG: A player is considered to have made their body unnaturally bigger when the position of their hand/arm is not a consequence of, or justifiable by, the player’s body movement for that specific situation.
      I don't think it's really theatrical

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    5. Nole1 November 2022 at 23:44

      For me, this is foul from attacker.

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  22. Chefren1 November 2022 at 22:35

    Plzen - Barcelona, correct penalty by Petrescu, but maybe missed RC for DOGSO? For me not a genuine attempt to play ball in a rather DOGSO scenario. Player was booked. In my opinion assessing this as genuine is a mistake, I think it was assessed as SPA...
    https://streamable.com/kmn7gy

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    1. Dukat1921 November 2022 at 22:45

      Agree with you, this certainly looks like a DOGSO situation, I don't think that last defender could have made an eventual save, however, maybe not 100% certainty about this and I would therefore not blame Petrescu too much for this (the same can be said for the VAR). And yes, it was certainly not a genuine attempt to play the ball, the defender was nowhere near that ball.

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    2. RikB1 November 2022 at 22:59

      There should be a yellow card at least. I strongly prefer a red card here.

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  23. Ref_17071 November 2022 at 22:38

    Very difficult match for Vincic. Good performance so far. Now, he could have given a 2nd YC for SPA, but not 100 % mandatory. Not easy to keep control of such a heated match.

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    1. Philipp S2 November 2022 at 10:50

      In my opinion, overall a very good performance by Vincic. Back in form for the World Cup.

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  24. Chefren1 November 2022 at 22:55

    Another very long check by VAR in 90'+7 in Liverpool for offside, Stieler could have easily whistled the end a few before.

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  25. Chefren2 November 2022 at 07:40

    https://streamable.com/4ptb7a
    Liverpool - Napoli, I post this clip to explain how difficult it can be, to be referee at top level in games involving VAR and long checks.
    After a break of about 3 minutes and more, Stieler resumed the game, you can see the aggressiveness of players after the restart, especially the stuation in which he decided to give advantage. Liverpool got motivated after the decision by VAR to disallow goal, and referee, with three or more minutes of stop, had immediately to set his mind for a very challenging context. In this exact moment, it would have been extremely easy to miss everything in terms of a possible crucial incident in penalty area, to make an example.
    Today football lives of momentum...

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  26. Chefren2 November 2022 at 07:47

    According to most of Italian journalists and experts, the penalty by Vincic in Lisbon is wrong, not for the call itself, but for the previous foul. According to them, VAR should have called for the previous infringment, because if the arm is in that position, they say it is only for that reason.
    Also, some people agree with Kruzliak about playing on after OFR, but in this case I would say 50% - 50%.

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  27. Philipp S2 November 2022 at 10:13

    @Kruzliak handball:
    There is this IFAB tweet, which might be applicable
    https://twitter.com/TheIFAB/status/1495745119613558787
    I don't really understand, why they completely ignore the "deliberate" part of the Law in the explanation though.

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    1. Fortify 2 November 2022 at 11:10

      Thanks Philipp. If we where finding arguments last night for PK and No-PK this IFAB tweet is the perfect answer for Mane handball.

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    2. Philipp S2 November 2022 at 11:17

      Maybe, but one still needs to discuss, whether it was really "very close"...

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    3. Fortify 2 November 2022 at 11:31

      Of course :) always will be discussion about handball but i think that the essence of the right answer we can find in the tweet of IFAB that you posted

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  28. Jacques2 November 2022 at 12:11

    Frankly speaking, IMO this action was not 'very close'

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  29. Mikael W2 November 2022 at 13:06

    Apropos Kružliak: tbh personally I am pretty ambivalent about the (non-)penalty call, arguments towards both decisions, but it did remind me of a scene in an old RAP.

    This penalty call was, to my surprise at the time, assessed as rather incorrect by UEFA back then:
    https://youtu.be/TRjTPMef1b0?t=312

    At least we know that 'protecting your face' is (or at least, *was*) a factor when considering handballs for UEFA.

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  30. Hans2 November 2022 at 13:39

    Is there someone who have the clip of Nyberg penalty in Rangers-Ajax game? This was the only mention worth moment in the hame

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    1. Chefren2 November 2022 at 14:42

      Supportable call.
      https://dubz.co/v/wjc8ty

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  31. Philipp S3 November 2022 at 07:52

    German sports magazine has published an article on the Kruzliak incident titled "The great confusion surrounding Mané's handball".
    The main part:
    "The scenery in Munich does not fit the IFAB's requirements [in the discussed tweet] from several points of view. Barella's shot was a brilliant blast, but it did not come at Mané from close range, but over a distance of several metres. In addition, the Bayern professional widened his body at least slightly at the end of his action, avoiding the trajectory of the ball with his head, which could have been expected of him even without using his hands. Consequence: As several independent rules experts confirmed to kicker, the objective assessment was that it was a classic defensive action - and thus a punishable handball. A penalty kick would have been the only correct decision. Which, in view of the TV pictures, was intuitively clear to almost everyone at first anyway. Except for the referee. "

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