Second set of referee appointments for 2022-23 UEFA Champions League Group Stage Matchday 6.
2 November 2022
18:45 CET - Madrid (Estadio Santiago Bernabéu)
Real Madrid (ESP) - Celtic (SCO) | Group F
Referee: Stéphanie Frappart (FRA)Assistant Referee 1: Mikael Berchebru (FRA)
Assistant Referee 2: Benjamin Pagès (FRA)
Fourth Official: Johan Hamel (FRA)
Video Assistant Referee: Benoît Millot (FRA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Massimiliano Irrati (ITA)
UEFA Referee Observer: Vlado Svilokos (CRO)
UEFA Delegate: Kris Bellon (BEL)
Video Assistant Referee: Benoît Millot (FRA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Massimiliano Irrati (ITA)
UEFA Referee Observer: Vlado Svilokos (CRO)
UEFA Delegate: Kris Bellon (BEL)
18:45 CET - Warsaw (Municipal Stadium of Legia Warszawa)
Shakhtar Donetsk (UKR) - Leipzig (GER) | Group F
Referee: Michael Oliver (ENG)Assistant Referee 1: Stuart Burt (ENG)
Assistant Referee 2: Simon Peter Bennett (ENG)
Fourth Official: Darren England (ENG)
Video Assistant Referee: Christopher Kavanagh (ENG)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: David Coote (ENG)
UEFA Referee Observer: David Fernández Borbalán (ESP)
Video Assistant Referee: Christopher Kavanagh (ENG)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: David Coote (ENG)
UEFA Referee Observer: David Fernández Borbalán (ESP)
UEFA Delegate: Efraim Barak (ISR)
21:00 CET - London (Stamford Bridge)
Chelsea (ENG) - Dinamo Zagreb (CRO) | Group E
Referee: François Letexier (FRA)Assistant Referee 1: Cyril Mugnier (FRA)
Assistant Referee 2: Mehdi Rahmouni (FRA)
Fourth Official: Jérémy Stinat (FRA)
Video Assistant Referee: Jérôme Brisard (FRA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Marco Fritz (GER)
UEFA Referee Observer: Nicola Rizzoli (ITA)
Video Assistant Referee: Jérôme Brisard (FRA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Marco Fritz (GER)
UEFA Referee Observer: Nicola Rizzoli (ITA)
UEFA Delegate: Desislava Ralkova (BUL)
21:00 CET - Milan (Stadio Giuseppe Meazza)
AC Milan (ITA) - FC Salzburg (AUT) | Group E
Referee: Antonio Mateu Lahoz (ESP) Assistant Referee 1: Pau Cebrián Devís (ESP)
Assistant Referee 2: Roberto del Palomar (ESP)
Fourth Official: Ricardo de Burgos (ESP)
Video Assistant Referee: Alejandro José Hernández Hernández (ESP)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Bastian Dankert (GER)
UEFA Referee Observer: Dejan Filipović (SRB)
Video Assistant Referee: Alejandro José Hernández Hernández (ESP)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Bastian Dankert (GER)
UEFA Referee Observer: Dejan Filipović (SRB)
UEFA Delegate: Mark Bos (NED)
21:00 CET - Manchester (City of Manchester Stadium)
Manchester City (ENG) - Sevilla (ESP) | Group G
Referee: Orel Grinfeeld (ISR)Assistant Referee 1: Roy Hassan (ISR)
Assistant Referee 2: Idan Yarkoni (ISR)
Fourth Official: Gal Leibovitz (ISR)
Video Assistant Referee: Roi Reinshreiber (ISR)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Paolo Valeri (ITA)
UEFA Referee Observer: Nuno Castro (POR)
Video Assistant Referee: Roi Reinshreiber (ISR)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Paolo Valeri (ITA)
UEFA Referee Observer: Nuno Castro (POR)
UEFA Delegate: Michal Mertinyak (SVK)
21:00 CET - Copenhagen (Parken)
FC Copenhagen (DEN) - Borussia Dortmund (GER) | Group G
Referee: Aliyar Aghayev (AZE)Assistant Referee 1: Zeynal Zeynalov (AZE)
Assistant Referee 2: Akif Amirali (AZE)
Fourth Official: Kamal Umudlu (AZE)
Video Assistant Referee: Tomasz Kwiatkowski (POL)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Bartosz Frankowski (POL)
UEFA Referee Observer: Vladimir Šajn (SVN)
Video Assistant Referee: Tomasz Kwiatkowski (POL)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Bartosz Frankowski (POL)
UEFA Referee Observer: Vladimir Šajn (SVN)
UEFA Delegate: Gerry O'Hagan /(SCO)
21:00 CET - Turin (Juventus Stadium)
Juventus (ITA) - Paris Saint Germain (FRA) | Group H
Referee: Carlos Del Cerro Grande (ESP)Assistant Referee 1: Diego Barbero Sevilla (ESP)
Assistant Referee 2: Guadalupe Porras Ayuso (ESP)
Fourth Official: José Luis Munuera Montero (ESP)
Video Assistant Referee: Juan Martínez Munuera (ESP)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Pol van Boekel (NED)
UEFA Referee Observer: Emil Božinovski (MKD)
Video Assistant Referee: Juan Martínez Munuera (ESP)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Pol van Boekel (NED)
UEFA Referee Observer: Emil Božinovski (MKD)
UEFA Delegate: Jacques Antenen (SUI)
21:00 CET - Haifa (Sammy Ofer Stadium)
Maccabi Haifa (ISR) - Benfica (POR) | Group H
Referee: Anthony Taylor (ENG)Assistant Referee 1: Gary Beswick (ENG)
Assistant Referee 2: Adam Nunn (ENG)
Fourth Official: Robert Jones (ENG)
Video Assistant Referee: Stuart Attwell (ENG)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Dennis Higler (NED)
UEFA Referee Observer: Bernardino González Vázquez (ESP)
Video Assistant Referee: Stuart Attwell (ENG)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Dennis Higler (NED)
UEFA Referee Observer: Bernardino González Vázquez (ESP)
UEFA Delegate: Ronald Zimmermann (GER)
Rosetti choosing whom to give the next CL MD6 debut:
ReplyDeleteshorturl.at/kJWX9
At least we can use a famous refereeing motto: "always expect the unexpected" when we read CL appointments.
ReplyDeleteAbsolutely impossible to predict Aliyar Aghayev. Having to make a comparison with Petrescu, there are surely some points in common: past experience, focus by committee for some seasons, EL GS assignments, but also in the case of the Azeri it looked like committee had left him without any perspective. Recent assignments don't justify an appointment in CL, but yes, this could have been expected some seasons ago. Also in this case I think there could be a key figure close to committee, asking for that.
Should be the first referee from his country in Champions League.
About the rest, as expected we have Mateu in Milan, so he is still preferred over Del Cerro for crucial games. The latter will go in Turin, by far less important game. However, having Taylor in Haifa is very particular. Even if appointments were made before the previous round, the situation of this group was quite clear.
Oliver with the other important assignment in Poland, neutral venue, that's very good for him.
Grinfeeld getting regular CL assignments, and, as predicted on the blog, Frappart with a CL game before World Cup to justify the call for Qatar 2022... everyone can have the own opinion on that, but for me it is not difficult to understand what to think!
Taylor in Haifa seems indeed a bit unneccessary, could have been an opportunity for e.g. Kovacs to recover before the World Cup, if one wants a relatively big name there.
DeleteOn the other hand, Oliver with one of the direct duels for promotion indicates, that there is no clear English number one at the moment.
Grinfeeld in a completely meaningless game doesn't make much sense, I think.
Del Cerro Grande maybe with his last CL game reaching the old age limit? Would be a nice farewell match in case.
Regarding Frappart, I don't think, this appointment should change anything on her status for the World Cup. I.e., normally she shouldn't be on the field there based on experience and recent appointments. But of course there is the possibilty, that FIFA has a different evaluation than UEFA about her abilities (to phrase it as neutral as possible...) and gives her at least one game in Qatar.
On the VAR side, Kwiatkowski and Martinez with a double assignment bringing them on top of the VAR appointments table with 8 GS games each (followed by Dankert and Irrati with 7).
English VAR trusted in an important match again.
And Reinshreiber with his first CL game of the season and his second overall.
Kovacs could have an important game in Europa League, maybe at Feyenoord vs Lazio. Is the most open group from UEL, where all the teams could go to the next round. And we know what the hot atmosphere is on the Kuip stadium.
DeleteKovacs has a domestic game today, with his ARs, so yes, we could see him in UEL, Rosetti would be a fool not to use him for a decesive game in MD6 . If UEFA rejected his performance in Leverkusen-Porto, fine, this is perfectly understandable, I could not agree more, because he was nowhere near the required level in that game. But, the same should have happened imo with Vincic after Inter-Barcelona, I can't believe Rosetti gave him the green light.
DeleteLet's not pretend that Petrescu's debut was not mainly political, as Kovacs was not planned for UCL, but it has a background and some explanation based of experince and previous appointmens. But Aghayev, totally unexpected, and kinda random I might say. The fact that he is observed by Sajn is the puzzling thing.
Aghayev is only 35 years old, so he should have a better chance to establish himself on CL level than Petrescu (who is even older than his country's number one).
DeleteDefinitely not Del Cerro's last game in the UCL. He is sure to get an appointment or two in the knockouts and probably a final in either the UEL or UECL.
DeleteI heard that Del Cerro and Mateu are going to retire form international service at the end of 2022, remaining only on domestic duty until june. Is it correct ?
DeleteThey will retire in may 2023 and I am sure DSG will get UEL or UECL final if not Spanish team there.
DeleteThere has been a lot talk to change this 46 year retirement to 50 as referees like players are in much better shape then say 20 years ago. Del Cerro Grande for example has fitness for 4,5 years at elite lever without problems . 46 is really to early and very pity .I would go so long that they take best years from referees. Brych,Rocchi retired when they was on top, now same with Del Cerro Grande. Change to 50 years and last season or two give them less challenging games if they drop fitness level.
This with Mrs. Frappart is a circus. How did she deserve to go to the World Cup, apart from being a woman, in reality she is a third-rate referee.
ReplyDeleteGot to show the world that FIFA is all about gender equality,instead of showing reward for refs who are trusted and simply better.
DeleteLast week, when people started to predict nominations for day 6, I immediately put Frappart forward. It stuck in my mind how Garibian pushed her forward for her first League1 nomination (the inconsequential Amiens-Strassbourg) in 2019, to add to her palmares and pave the way for the Women WC2019 and then the UEFA Super-Cup. I was sure that we would tread the same incorrect politically- correct path again. I was glad to see Chefren concurring with my prediction and sustaining it. And here we are (again)...
ReplyDelete@Ichigo, Is it enough for Feyenoord to only win to go to next round or do they have to win with 2 goals? I think they need win with 2 goals as they lost 4-2 in Rome,they go first after h2h then goal difference.
ReplyDeleteMidtjylland-Sturm will be really hot as home team needs any win and away team only 1 points, so there is classic 50-50 chance for both teams here. This teams taking a lot fouls and this game needs big referee name.
Roma is like 80% favorite so no need for elite there, maybe Monaco-Crvena Zvezda can be challenging but even there Monaco is huge favorite.
Some very open game in Conference where I hope committee will send best cat1 refs they have:
Zalgiris-Slovan, home team need any win to go to next round while away team needs only 1 points. Two teams that can be very challenging for referees.
Koln-Nice same situation
Gent-Molde and Silkeborg- Anderlecht same story
Several good options left for decisive EL/ECL games: Soares Dias, Rumsas, Kovacs, Treimanis, Dabanovic, Visser, Peljto, Siebert, Collum
DeleteNo makkelie and turpin?
DeleteYes, agree. Probably this refs will get this 7,8 decisive games. I will add even Harm Osmers to this list as he has been great lately and both Rosetti and Frohlich has been very satisfied with him. Feel that he would be perfect for Gent-Molde or Silkeborg-Anderlecht with his style.
DeleteFeyenoord-Lazio might be for Soares Dias or Kovac .
Midtjylland-Sturm, Collum or Visser first names I could think of.
Peljto or Dabanovic would be great for Zalgiris-Slovan
Koln-Nice Triemanis or Rumsas
Makkelie and Turpin could also work in EL, but I think, it would be more sensible to give them some rest before the World Cup.
DeleteI don't see why Chris kavanagh is VAR on an important game. Attwell is a far better VAR official. Coote isn't exactly the best either.
ReplyDeleteIs there a world cup refereeing seminar as both Taylor and Oliver haven't got PL games this weekend.
ReplyDeleteDo you mean the next week end?
DeleteBTW here the info about referees leaving for Qatar (thanks as always to Arbitro Internacional):
https://twitter.com/ArbitroInteBlog/status/1582001715389554688
I think it's just a coincidence, as Makkelie was appointed last weekend and coming Sunday as well (Ajax - PSV, with Van Boekel VAR and Kamphuis 4th official)
DeleteWhat do you mean? Michael Oliver is refereeing Chelsea v Arsenal this weekend and Taylor is doing Aston Villa v Man utd.
DeleteBoth of them will officiate games next Sunday: Sunday 6 November
ReplyDeleteCHE 14:00 ARS
Referee: Michael Oliver (pictured). Assistants: Stuart Burt, Dan Cook. Fourth official: Robert Jones. VAR: Jarred Gillett. Assistant VAR: Matthew Wilkes.
Sunday 6 November
AVL 16:00 MUN
Referee: Anthony Taylor. Assistants: Gary Beswick, Adam Nunn. Fourth official: Craig Pawson. VAR: Peter Bankes. Assistant VAR: Scott Ledger.
AFC made some presentation's videos of WC referees:
ReplyDeletehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYIsTIN71DA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2cesn6FxSg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMYilwEy5OQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpiDc6R0dFs
Looking to the world cup, obviously we know the referees, assistant and VAR officials. Do we know which assistant referees will be acting as AVAR2s?
ReplyDeleteHandball penalty by Stéphanie Frappart correctly whistled to Real Madrid, with a very good positioning.
ReplyDeleteSecond penalty for handball and this time after OFR.
DeleteI must say it didn't look 100% clear based on the replays.
Must be rewatched, there wasn't any space between the shot and the defender so the nature of the touch is complex to identify.
2nd handball penalty in Madrid, this time.after an OFR. Difficult to detect in real time imo
ReplyDeleteI disagree with the second penalty for me that's never a penalty and should never be var stuff. There's no way you can consider that to be a clear and obvious error
ReplyDelete3rd penalty now. Excellent decision imo
ReplyDeleteThird penalty, this time for Celtic. Tackle from behind, ball was hit clearly before the attacker, but not enough to consider the attempt as 100%, and so penalty was confirmed. I think correct decision by VAR, but one can discuss about the call, maybe for some people rather no penalty.
ReplyDeleteAre you sure, that the defender touched the ball?
DeleteI think, it some angles it looks like he does, in some like he doesn't, so I have some doubts and not seen a real proof yet.
Defender does not touch the ball, it was the attacker.
DeleteRemarkably there have been only 4 fouls in Madrid. 3 of them penalties
ReplyDeleteI think this never happened before!
DeleteAfter no added time an easy game for Oliver. Only talking point was the second Leipzig goal as the ball was handled early on in the build-up, but it was by his side and no move of the hand towards the ball, so assessed well by Oliver. A good game, expected level
ReplyDeleteHow about opening a new thread for discussing chances of refs in Qatar and the possible structure, with 48 games it seems not unlikely that 28 refs will be assigned as main refs, may be bit more or less, but definitely not all...
ReplyDeletePS... And the opener for an experienced European, whose nation team will likely stay in the tournament for long time. Taylor? Oliver? I would really hope for Mateu Lahoz!
DeleteBut... :
Does Collina like Turpin as Rosetti does? If yes, its clear...
I have Turpin in mind for the opening game, because his appointments this autumn haven't been very risky, and/or a bit away from spotlight, compared to other top refs.
DeleteThree penalties by Stéphanie Frappart in Real - Celtic first half.
ReplyDelete5' https://streamable.com/oeexb9
Clear handball and very clumsy movement by defender. Frappart with the best possible positioning.
18' https://streamable.com/8cgz0p
Best replay the second-last in the video, last seconds.
Based on this frame: https://ibb.co/BcPFctv
I think Frappart could have whistled by herself, but this was definitely too fast.
33' https://streamable.com/kxbmab
Indeed I think Philipp is right, ball was not hit before, wrong perception based on some replays, should be a quite clear penalty, very good decision.
Sorry, on 33' I can understand someone saying it's still a foul, but the defender absolutely gets a touch on the ball. We can see the spin of the ball change in each of the available replays. I don't understand an argument that the ball wasn't touched here. It seems quite evident.
Deletethank you chefren for collecting the three clips. first of i have a question: is frappart the referee with the most OFR per match? portugal women match couple of weeks ago was also rather disastrous performance...do you guys from the blog keep track on that? would be interesting to see your analysis.
Deletenow to the three incidents:
1) punishable handball, well spotted! is this a yellow card for either blocking a shot on goal or then stopping promising attack, as the attacker could have regained the ball and shoot again? i would say rather yes...(8,3)
2) i dont want to say "easy" to detect, as it is quite fast, but we are talking about champions league and thats where we should expect the referees to make those calls right. and when you see her positioning, i think it is perfect to spot it immediatly and not only after OFR (7,8)
3) wow! it took me quite a time to "forensicly" analyse the situation. when you watch it frame by frame you come to the conclusion that the ball is played by the attacker first and then gets the new spin by the defender getting his cleets on it. as mentioned this is only to be detected in watching it frame by frame! so technically the correct decision should have been corner kick (7,3).
but my friends, is this what football expects? is this var stuff when it takes me all morning and i need a mikroscope and frame by frame? of course i am not a professional and trained var, and i dont have an operator to my side who could easily bring me this stuff. can we expect var to intervene here due to the technical evidence? or should var be silent and support the on field decision due to either the long time it would take to falsify the referee's decision and second the "management" aspect, as you have two penalties against celtic and now a risky challenge and a tripping by real...
all in all on the technical level i come to close that neither of the three decisions have been solved 100% correctly, right?
5': Very clumsy action by the defender, nothing to say. Regarding the possible YC, I think we cannot consider this as blocking a shot on goal, because the actual "shot" was more than clumsy as well. However, grumpy-ref definitely has a point saying the attacker could have regained possession of the ball, so yes, a possible SPA, but I wouldn't blame Frappart too much as it's not 100% certain IMO.
Delete18': All I can say is that she was in a perfect position to detect this handball. I fully agree with grumpy-ref: yes, it was really fast, but a referee on this level should have detected this on field, from a perfect position such as this one. Otherwise, good VAR intervention and a fully correct final decision.
33': I would agree with usaref and grumpy-ref, there is an evident touch by the defender on the ball and a slight change of spin after that touch (and yes, what an extremely difficult spot that was, at least for me). However, I would still argue that it's a foul, because I am not convinced that, without the subsequent foul, the attacker wouldn't have regained control over the ball. Maybe I'm overstretching it a bit, but my final solution is that it's still a penalty. However, the previous touch of the ball by the defender surely existed.
Taylor again with an OFR, leading to a handball penalty. Too many OFRs in his last matches, although his management skills cannot be denied…
ReplyDeleteOFR for Taylor: https://streamja.com/627bb
ReplyDeletePenalty for handball, correct decision.
The English VARs finally improved their level.
At the same time, too many OFR for Taylor in recent times, in my opinion not the referee we knew before.
Fully agreed. On the one hand, good to see that Attwell became a reliable VAR with many good calls in the last months. On the other hand, it is always not the best thing if a VAR has to "prove" his skills. In this case, not a good thing for Taylor.
DeleteGerman commentator still complaining about the time it took to invite Taylor to have an OFR…
DeleteGood VAR intervention by Attwell. On the other hand, I cannot judge the exact responsibility of Taylor for this miss because I don't see his position from this clip, however it still stays as a mistake. And you are right, definitely too many OFR's for Taylor in recent time, also in the Premier League IIRC.
DeleteBtw, interesting scene in Milano, Mateu did not whistle a penalty for a rather clear foul, VAR did not intervene because there was a punishable handball before (28‘). Correct procedure not to propose an OFR? From the last weeks, I would rather say that an OFR was expected in order to show Mateu both, the foul and the handball.
ReplyDeletePossible penalty for Salzburg in 29':
ReplyDeleteIMO the foul is relatively clear there, but also a handball happened in the APP.
So both this things should have shown to Mateu in an OFR, I think.
But once again, Mateu seemed very sure about his play-on-decision, which might have discouraged Hernandez from intervening.
It is always the same issue, Mateu being too active in situations like this. I agree, but after having rewatched the incident, one can support the initial decision. Defender did not play the ball but also did not directly hit the attacker.
DeleteIMO the main issue is, if VARs let themselves be discouraged from that even in case of a clear and obvious error.
DeleteBesides that, I actually prefer a referee to sell his decisions confidently over immediately pointing to the ear after a decision and moving the responsibility to the VAR.
Philipp is perfectly right, the main problem here is not the referee being sure in his decision, but the VMOs taking more care not to upset their on-field colleagues than to actually take the best decision. I can understand the argument of "protecting the image of a fellow colleague" from human perspective, but it's still a wrong thing to do. IMO, the best way to protect your colleague is to give him an opportunity to reach a correct decision in the end, whatever he personally feels about that. Ultimately, we are all just servants of the game and taking the correct decision should be of the utmost priority. All VMOs (and referees) should be constantly reminded about that, IMO.
DeleteWe can assume that handball was reason for staying silent by VAR, wouldn't have been a clear penalty in any case for what had happened before, but.. if you ask me what a VAR should do in such situations, when a rather clear penalty happens, but there is also a missed foul for defenders before, it is still not clear. The VAR should not decide by himself for everything, and according to protocol would be absolutely good to invite referee to watch full sequence, but I see that this is never done, we can also mention situations in which handballs by defenders follow after possible fouls by attackers before (the contrary of this situation in Milan). In all this context, the classic Mateu Lahoz very convinced about his decision. For me, isolating the incident and looking only at last foul, 100% clear penalty, one can't discuss.
ReplyDeleteWasn't very impressed to be honest. With nothing at stake for both teams it was an easy match played in the spirit of fair play. But still some fouls of course and for me his foul detection was poor. In particular. in the first half a clear free kick missed for FCK (potentially dangerous position) and in the second half dagerous FCK counter was stopped by his whistle when FCK player made a perfect tackle, played the ball didn't touch the player. Btw, I am not an FCK fan and even if I was, with nothing at stake it wasn't a match for big grievances about referee. Just in my estimation he wasn't good.
ReplyDeleteOT:
ReplyDeleteSome have previously mentioned Alireza Faghani from AFC as a chance for big games at the World Cup. Here are some clips of the major decisions in his latest games in the A League (Australia)
WUN v SYD
PK + YC
https://streamable.com/ph8dpk
PK
https://streamable.com/15uvce
MVC v MCY
PK + OFR
https://streamable.com/o7omto
1YC #8
https://streamable.com/46nmfi
2YC #8
https://streamable.com/3tvlfi
I can probably also find clips of Chris Beath if there is interest :)
Milan - Salzburg penalty area incident:
ReplyDeletehttps://streamable.com/6r0f74
Looks like the defender slightly touches the ball. And as he doesn't tackle into but in front of the attacker, I think, the non-intervention by VAR is OK independent from the APP handball.
DeleteMore (insightful) angles of the incident:
Deletehttps://dubz.co/v/qf3wd6
Mateu's second linesman Díaz also correctly disallowed an AC Milan goal in the 1H for a quite tight offside. By intuition only though - his position wasn't optimal when keeping up with the swift counterattack:
Deletehttps://dubz.co/v/64nth0
Spot the difference -
ReplyDeleteWorld Cup 1986, where the referees drank alcohol on the days they weren't refereeing and often struggled to get the time off work for the tournament, perfectly detecting an impeding foul which occured without contact:
https://twitter.com/MikaelReferee/status/1562404212230815744
Champions League 2022, where the referees are trained ad nauseam by video clips, are (mostly) all *professional* officials, explaining after a sooooo blatant impeding that actually it was the attacker's fault for running into the defender:
https://dubz.co/v/4b9rxq
Wtf are we doing...
(And how to remedy the situation - I am sure that when excellent refereeing politicians like Kenneth Ridden delineated between contact (DFK) and non-contact (IFK) impeding in the 1997 laws re-write, they had the best intentions at heart, to make the rules more simple for everybody; I'm sure they never expected completely farcical decisions like Del Cerro's, RAP supporting play on in EURO2020's SWEUKR 1H scene et al. as a result).
IMO it's a clear foul, but I'm sure UEFA prefers play on than penalty in this situation.
DeleteIt didn't arouse many media attention in Italy? His rating in the newspaper was also just fine. That would of course have been different in case this KMI had been decisive for Juventus to (non-)qualify to the next round.
DeleteThat's my general complain on the appointments. ENOUGH performances and decisions can be critised in group stage, however 1) as long as the decision itself is not a decisive one, 2) a referee doesn't generate any negative media attention, or; 3) the referee isn't hung from the highest tree by players/coaches, they'll just get another match.
And that's the problem, @xabi. UEFA prefers play on in a situation where a defender is making a conscious choice to impede. It's a tactical foul that gets excused because, for some reason, it's been decided that the powers that be do not like "soft" physical penalties.
DeleteYet on the same night or in the same competition, we see handballs given for penalties even when there is no dangerous attack because... that's the way the Laws have been written.
Do not misunderstand me. I am not saying referees should ignore the handball laws. But my argument is the sport is at a point where penalties are given for handballs that have nothing to do with attacking threat while deliberate physical fouls to stop an attack are excused because they are too soft. All because the powers that be have some warped sense of what the public wants and how the game should be played.
@Xabi - agree. Tbh we know this for a fact after EURO RAP as mentioned above.
Delete@Unknown - welcome to the 'simulcast-era' of assessing referees performances! :)
(also on Law5 blog ;P).
This is completely OT but talking about the EURO2020 RAP it reminded me - I just wanted to give a measure of how *unserious* the people currently running UEFA refereeing are. All things considered, the specific episode is pretty irrelevant, but personally I'd say it is quite telling.
ReplyDeleteDo you remember the really silly guideline they gave the referees to pretend that 'kicking the ball away' incidents never happened, to avoid 'cheap' cautions for it (I'm guessing Kuipers mess in JUV vs. POR was where it originated from)? It was a bit bizarre but anyway, I understand that these tournaments are big, cheap (S)YCs are better avoided, etc.
So, it was *much* to my surprise when I noticed that they specifically pulled on Brych's panicky caution in the (in)famous BELPOR under this heading and noted simply that the booking was correct! I had two, potentially concurrent, explanations for this:
1) they wanted to cover their ass about the guideline; not ideal, but understandable
2) pureee trolling :D (I'm not even saying of me/BELPOR report, but just generally for those who focused on the tournament, the instructions to the refs etc; ie. like "we can post this and you know there is nothing you can do about it because according the rulebook we are correct")
Fine, they can do the latter if they wish! But to me it is quite sad really. When FIFA guidelined the refs at WC94 and 2006, 'revolutionary' WCs, they were 100% clear about what the officials were going to do and transparent. Of course it was only about making money for themselves, but FIFA refereeing people *did* really care about what they were doing until about ten years ago. The idea of using the RAP in such a way, I think, would have been very much frowned upon until ≈10yrs ago. Completely eliciting 'kicking the ball away scenes' would have been quite okay, really - but they felt the need to make it smoke-and-mirrors and even a bit of a joke/game.
Refereeing is an art form and when done excellently, is such a pleasure to watch and more important is of *huge*, even pivotal benefit to wider football. That the custodians of officiating in top European football treat it with such contempt atm is something I reflect on with some sadness, I must say.
Does anyone know why we miss Kateryna Monzul in (almost) all international competitions? No Champions League match, no Europa League match, no Conference League match, even no Women's Champions League match this season. Just a qualification game for the Conference League between teams from Malta and Latvia as well as a Nations League D game between San Marino and Estonia. Not a very impressive palmares after the Women's Euro final ...
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