Friday, 15 June 2018

2018 FIFA World Cup Match 2: Egypt - Uruguay (discussion)

Let's discuss here the performance of Björn Kuipers in Egypt - Uruguay. Good luck to the officiating team! 

Match #2
Ekaterinburg, 15 June 2018 14:00 CET
Egypt - Uruguay
Referee: Björn Kuipers (NED)
Assistant Referee 1: Sander van Roekel (NED)
Assistant Referee 2: Erwin Zeinstra (NED)
Fourth Official: Milorad Mažić (SRB)
Fifth Official: Milovan Ristić (SRB)
VAR: Danny Makkelie (NED)
AVAR1: Pawel Gil (POL)
AVAR 2: Cyril Gringore (FRA)
AVAR 3: Clément Turpin (FRA)
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124 comments:

  1. Tom15 June 2018 at 13:58

    Great start for kuipers. No ball on the podest while they enter the field :-D

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  2. VG15 June 2018 at 13:59

    Looks sad when the stadiums are not sold out at a world cup...

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    1. Chefren15 June 2018 at 14:01

      I agree.

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    2. Sviat M15 June 2018 at 14:13

      We shouldn`t forget that it is working time in Russia:)

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    3. VG15 June 2018 at 14:22

      Sure it's working time but they also said the ticket prices are outrageous. For example, Germany vs Mexico: 1350 dollars because it's ''almost sold out'' according to websites.

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    4. "Dynamic Personality"???15 June 2018 at 17:33

      But unlike this game. Mexico v Germany will be a full stadium. Mexican fans travel very well and may be the majority in the stadium.

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  3. Andreja15 June 2018 at 14:06

    ''Video Assistant Referee:
    MAKKELIE Danny (CUW)'' https://www.fifa.com/worldcup/matches/match/300353632/#match-info

    Isn't Danny from the Netherlands :-)?

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    1. Chefren15 June 2018 at 14:08

      Born in Willemstad, Curacao. But he should be reported as Dutch...

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    2. Alex F15 June 2018 at 14:38

      He was reported as NED here (since that's his country through which he is certified/etc)... though the broadcast announcement was "Roy Makaay" instead. Whoops. :)

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  4. Tom15 June 2018 at 14:11

    Some here maybe do not want to here that. But Kuipers is the complete oposite of Pitana yesterday. Fovused but relaxed and a natural walking. no hypertension. And he allows contact. Great start so far.

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  5. Ref_170715 June 2018 at 14:19

    Missed YC for diving in 18‘. Play on is not acceptable in situations like this one.

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    1. Unknown15 June 2018 at 14:21

      I think it's a good decision to not give a yellow card, he has seen the dive and warned him. I think this decision is better to manage the game.

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    2. VG15 June 2018 at 14:23

      Clear yellow card for simulation. Bad to only give a verbal warning. Second game of the 2018 world cup and he clearly saw te dive. What kind of message does he send by not giving a yellow? A bad message...

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    3. Johannes15 June 2018 at 14:25

      Yannick, although I get your point, I think - especially if FIFA issues statements before the tournament that simulation will be cautioned - that it should've been a caution.

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    4. Unknown15 June 2018 at 14:27

      How earlier you start giving yellow cards, the more you have to give. I think you should aim to give as less cards as possible, what Kuipers is doing with the verbal warning.

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    5. Soham15 June 2018 at 14:32

      @Johannes Busacca clearly said while discussing about the simulation part that referees may choose to "manage" such situations of simulation and he has no problems with that... Exactly that happened!

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    6. "Dynamic Personality"???15 June 2018 at 14:35

      The earlier in the tournament the referee's punish diving by booking players. The sooner they get the message that it will not be accepted and that they'll be cautioned.

      But we all know that everything the Ref Comm asks the referee's to "focus" on is just for show. Every World Cup is the same. The Ref Comm blows a lot of hot air is regards to supposed aspects that the referee's will be focused on.

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    7. Teo15 June 2018 at 14:35

      Clear YC is YC in 1st or 95th minute. If you have to give 10 YC, you should give it. Of course, you can have tactical approach for some borderline fouls, but for simulation I don't think so.

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    8. Johannes15 June 2018 at 14:36

      @Soham: Didn't know that! Thanks for the information. Anyways - just my personal opinion - why defend someone who is trying to fool you?

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    9. VG15 June 2018 at 14:38

      Yannick your statement is false ''How earlier you start giving yellow cards, the more you have to give''

      Doesn't work like that.

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    10. Unknown15 June 2018 at 14:41

      @Victor it's what happens in my matches. If my first YC is an early one, it usually never stops with that one. I don't say it works like that every match, but it's what I see in most matches.

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    11. "Dynamic Personality"???15 June 2018 at 14:42

      I agree Victor!

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    12. Soham15 June 2018 at 15:01

      @Yannick Anyone with the knowledge of how modern day football and refereeing works will know what you mean to say and I 100% agree with you... One important aspect is to use common sense and get rid of rigidity with the LOTG and the referees who show that flexibility are the most successful these days... Howard Webb explained this concept excellently in some show and I would really suggest you to watch that and you will see your thoughts are absolutely the same Webb endorses... Listening to Howard Webb anyday is a more appealing option than armchair experts shouting "LOTG! LOTG!" in order to prove their own points... From what I perceive about your refereeing style, it's very similar to mine! :D Best wishes :)

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    13. "Dynamic Personality"???15 June 2018 at 15:17

      Are we talking about the Howard Webb that allowed De Jong to stay on the pitch after planting his cleats into Xabi Alonso's chest? A very "modern" caution instead of correct "old school" send off.

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    14. Soham15 June 2018 at 17:04

      He "didn't see it" so didn't give the red card... Not that he saw that and decided it's a YC

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    15. "Dynamic Personality"???15 June 2018 at 17:35

      A logical and expected response to missing something so grossly dirty. What else could he say?

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    16. Soham15 June 2018 at 18:08

      He was unsighted. Period.

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  6. George15 June 2018 at 14:19

    Missed YC for simulation. Mandatory, IMO.

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  7. Johannes15 June 2018 at 14:19

    18' Missed YC for me. Blatant effort to deceive the referee.

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  8. Philipp S15 June 2018 at 14:23

    On a side note, Kuipers is wearing black socks, although Egypt also wears the same colour. So there seems to be a "no colourful referee socks" at the tournament.

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    1. George15 June 2018 at 14:28

      I like this dressing code more than the colourful one, TBH.

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    2. Ref_170715 June 2018 at 14:29

      As far as I remember, there were no colourful socks at any FIFA tournament. UEFA likes colourful socks, we all know that...

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    3. Soham15 June 2018 at 14:34

      I loved the bright red socks that Marciniak once wore in Rotterdam in UCL last year :D

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    4. "Dynamic Personality"???15 June 2018 at 14:36

      Colored socks are for clowns. Referee's should wear black socks and shorts. That's the standard.

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    5. Soham15 June 2018 at 14:50

      Ok Sheriff... My socks and shorts are all black :D

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    6. Chefren15 June 2018 at 15:00

      So, you are not a clwon, Soham.

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    7. Soham15 June 2018 at 15:03

      In the Sheriff Castrilli scale of clown detection I'm not a clown :D I'm relieved :D

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    8. Andreja15 June 2018 at 15:19

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  9. Mlacko15 June 2018 at 14:23

    18' for me good and correct to only warn player to not simulate.

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    1. Soham15 June 2018 at 14:34

      Absolutely agreed... Next time it happens he can punish!

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    2. VG15 June 2018 at 14:39

      But if another player simulates he should get a yellow card? That's not good. Same situation, different outcome. That's not consistency.

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    3. Soham15 June 2018 at 14:50

      That's how it works... Howard Webb explained it the best in some show!

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    4. Unknown15 June 2018 at 14:50

      After the stern warning, I don't think anyone is going to be silly enough to try again!

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  10. Unknown15 June 2018 at 14:48

    Again an easy first half for the referee. Great performance by Kuipers so far!

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    1. Soham15 June 2018 at 14:52

      Good start to World Cup by referees continue :)

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  11. Ref_170715 June 2018 at 14:50

    Boring game, easy to handle for Kuipers. Although I understand why Kuipers didn‘t issue a YC for the dive in 18‘, clear simulations must be punished accordingly.

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    1. Soham15 June 2018 at 14:51

      It's an evenly matched game till now... Better than Russia v Saudi Arabia surely!

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    2. Teo15 June 2018 at 15:15

      Tactically might be. As a football fan - for me it is boooring match this 55 minutes.

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    3. "Dynamic Personality"???15 June 2018 at 15:19

      The match is reminiscent to this season's UEL Final. Boring.

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    4. Soham15 June 2018 at 17:49

      Yes you're right... But still was some contest although a very boring brand of football there!

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  12. Jackson15 June 2018 at 14:55

    Egyptians are throwing themselves to the floor a lot even though it's South Americans that have the reputation for diving.

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  13. Robbie8215 June 2018 at 14:59

    How can people agree with non-YC for blatant simulation? You don’t give a warning for this, it’s a 100% yellow card!! What else, ignore a punch in the 10th minute of a match as it’s early and first offence?!

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    1. VG15 June 2018 at 15:03

      My guess is that they are Kuipers fans. Had this been a referee from another continent that people haven't seen much of then it would have been all over this blog on how that yellow card was never given. That's my guess.

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    2. Soham15 June 2018 at 15:10

      Yes victor, just like you had to write 5 times using different words in yesterday's thread that Pitana is a unique referee, Pitana has magnificent body language etc... Today's comment a bit rich coming from you :D

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    3. "Dynamic Personality"???15 June 2018 at 15:12

      Especially considering how blatant and obvious the dive was. Most if not all of us hate and decry diving and divers. Yet very few of us have the **** to actually caution those cheats. Keep complaining, doing nothing and expecting change.

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    4. VG15 June 2018 at 15:15

      I like Pitana yes, because he actually follows the laws of the game

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    5. Soham15 June 2018 at 17:15

      I never complain... Player makes a mistake, give a firm warning and move on... If the referee is of that level then players won't do it again and if they do it's a YC... And those who can't manage games will shell out YCs like confetti and spoil a spectacle!!

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  14. Chefren15 June 2018 at 14:59

    It would be nice to have a clip of this potential simulation, I missed it.

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    1. Stake15 June 2018 at 15:20

      https://streamable.com/g4m0m

      A mandatory YC for diving. Kuipers saw it but went for play-on and a strong verbal warning. A card had to be issued here.

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    2. fednik15 June 2018 at 15:29

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    3. Chefren15 June 2018 at 15:42

      Clear simulation because no contact at all.
      Mandatory YC missed.
      The explanation can be that Kuipers thought there had been a contact, but maybe not a singificant one.
      Warning in such situations is a no-sense in my opinion: players must be booked, they can't be forgiven, because LotG are clear. However, we can't be sure Kuipers had the exact perception of what happened and, since it was outside the box, VAR was not allowed to intervene.
      In my opinion a clear -0.1 in the final mark.

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    4. Stake15 June 2018 at 15:45

      That would be one of my questions: let's assume that if this incident happened inside the penalty area and play would continue. Would VAR be allowed to intervene in that situation, would play-on inside the penalty area be a clear and obvious error, so that VAR could intervene?

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    5. Chefren15 June 2018 at 15:53

      That's a big question. Of course the clear and obvious error would be calling the foul. Play on is a supportable choice, but in any case, if the incident had happened inside the box, maybe Makkelie could have invited Kuipers to rewatch in order to issue YC for simulation... in that case, potential penalty (inside the box) this should be allowed.

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    6. Philipp S15 June 2018 at 15:58

      I am pretty sure, that a VAR intervention is not possible in that case (even in the penalty area).

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    7. Soham15 June 2018 at 17:48

      I would clearly still go for no caution at all for this situation and even more so when Busacca clearly said that referees who are capable can choose to manage situations of simulation and FIFA has no issues with that... It totally depends on interpretation and referee's discretion and I'm absolutely sure FIFA won't deduct anything at all for this!

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  15. Nathan M.15 June 2018 at 15:03

    I think only one man can say if it is a yellow card or not and we are all waiting for him :D:D

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  16. Marco Neri15 June 2018 at 15:29

    Everything ok so far, apart from the missed YC. Let’s hope for the last 20 mins to be less boring!

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  17. Chefren15 June 2018 at 15:30

    This match is really boring, I can't watch it to be honest!

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    1. "Dynamic Personality"???15 June 2018 at 15:33

      We may be seeing the first 0-0 of the tournament.

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    2. Ref_170715 June 2018 at 15:34

      You‘re not the only one... Haven‘t seen such a bad game since a long time.

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    3. Marco Neri15 June 2018 at 15:41

      At the moment there aren’t 32 teams that can play good matches. And we’re going to have 48 teams in 2026... I don’t want to think about it!

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    4. "Dynamic Personality"???15 June 2018 at 15:50

      1-0, the Uruguayan way. Well at least we got a goal.

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  18. Ref_170715 June 2018 at 15:46

    YC for SPA in 87?

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  19. VG15 June 2018 at 15:49

    Hope I am wrong but replay is needed. Cavani’s free kick hit the post. A teammate took the rebound and shot at his own teammate who looked very offside. No call given. 10 seconds later Uruguay got a new free kick and then 1-0.

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    1. Mlacko15 June 2018 at 15:52

      Replay is needed but i think 2 Egypt players were infront of goalkeeper..

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    2. VG15 June 2018 at 15:52

      Hopefully so.

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    3. Ref_170715 June 2018 at 15:56

      Even if it was offside, you cannot relate this incident with the goal, that was shot later.

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    4. Teo15 June 2018 at 16:01

      There wasn't even a replay of the chance when Cavani hit the post. Very bad broadcast so far, missed many replays. For example, in volleyball were everything occurs much faster and where new point is going almost immediately after previous, you always have good replay, sometimes from 2 angles. Here you don't have even one "simple" replay.

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    5. Tom15 June 2018 at 16:03

      Just have seen the replay in german TV and it was very close onside from IMO.

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    6. VG15 June 2018 at 16:05

      Ref” I can clearly relate to the goal. Just not to VAR interference.

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    7. Tom15 June 2018 at 16:35

      https://picload.org/view/dopdpapi/20180615_161318.jpg.html

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    8. Chefren15 June 2018 at 16:37

      Thank you Tom. No offside, or at least NO FLAG is for sure supportable there in any case!

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    9. VG15 June 2018 at 16:46

      Looks like the trailing leg is offside but can’t tell 100%

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  20. Chefren15 June 2018 at 15:55

    Oh no the first YC at 95:01.
    This record will be never reached :)

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    1. Mlacko15 June 2018 at 15:56

      That was second YC. First one was in 92'

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    2. Chefren15 June 2018 at 15:56

      I missed it, sorry...

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    3. Ref_170715 June 2018 at 15:58

      Second? Didn‘t see that as well... The YC given in 95‘ should be the first one.

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    4. "Dynamic Personality"???15 June 2018 at 17:38

      That's how boring the match was. Some of us lost track of the cautions. :D

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    5. Soham15 June 2018 at 17:45

      I haven't missed something exciting in the 2nd half then :D

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  21. Quilava15 June 2018 at 15:55

    Correct YC on 95',clear stomp.

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  22. Ref91ree15 June 2018 at 15:56

    I think a player was booked before when egyptian player was injured on the pitch

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  23. Teo15 June 2018 at 15:56

    I can't stand this behavior from Suarez anymore. For this kind of throwing himself on the pitch, he deserved at least YC for shameless simulation.

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    1. Ref91ree15 June 2018 at 16:03

      I surely agree

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    2. "Dynamic Personality"???15 June 2018 at 17:41

      If a Yellow wasn't given for that gross and most blatant dive by the Egyptian player. There is "ZERO" probability that Suarez would ever see Yellow.

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    3. Soham15 June 2018 at 17:44

      Referees must do what FIFA wants and not what Sheriff Castrilli expects or desires. As if showing yellow cards is an enteryaentert or something.

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  24. Ref_170715 June 2018 at 16:01

    Calm and easy game for Kuipers, solid performance.

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  25. Chefren15 June 2018 at 16:02

    Another expected level performance, this time I would go for 8.3 due to the missed YC but nothing extra-ordinary.
    Boring games, waiting for something better.
    To be checked a possible offside when Uruguay hit the post, as Victor reported.

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    1. VG15 June 2018 at 16:06

      Saw it again know but without sliw motion and still the same angle. Looks offside.

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    2. Soham15 June 2018 at 17:42

      Marginally onside!

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  26. Chefren15 June 2018 at 16:12

    Italian TV showed a possible penalty in second half, minute 70' or 71', when Cavani tried a shot in area and a teammate committed handball. Kuipers whistled in favor of defending team, replay showed that Cavani had been clearly stepped on his foot by an opponent, but he continued to play.
    In any case, not a clear mistake and we can guess Makkelie saw it without intervening.

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    1. Ref_170715 June 2018 at 16:18

      It has already been shown during the game. Not a penalty for me. I'm sure Makkelie and his colleagues were aware of this incident and shared my opinion.

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  27. Soham15 June 2018 at 17:41

    Another quiet game for the VAR :D Good referees need VAR less often as shown by Pitana and Kuipers :)

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  28. Andrasch Neunert15 June 2018 at 21:01

    For me Kuipers just ok but not more. Missed YC and several little mistakes

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    1. Soham15 June 2018 at 22:12

      I haven't seen the full match but seen a lot of experts full of praise for the referee!

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  29. Soham16 June 2018 at 09:43

    The official FIFA report shows only 1 YC being given during the match. Some users who reported that there has been 2 YCs in the match are most likely wrong!

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