Thursday, 21 June 2018

2018 FIFA World Cup Match 21: Denmark - Australia (discussion)

Let's discuss here the performance of Antonio Mateu Lahoz in Denmark - Australia. Good luck to the officiating team!
Match #21
Samara, 21 June 2018 14:00 CET
Denmark - Australia
Referee: Antonio Mateu Lahoz (ESP)
Assistant Referee 1: Pau Cebrián Devís (ESP)
Assistant Referee 2: Roberto Díaz Pérez Del Palomar (ESP)
Fourth Official: Bamlak Tessema Weyesa (ETH)
Fifth Official: Juan Carlos Mora (CRC)
VAR: Mark Geiger (USA)
AVAR1: Jair Marrufo (USA)
AVAR 2: Joe Fletcher (CAN)
AVAR 3: Paolo Valeri (ITA)

117 comments:

  1. OT
    Faghani with the best officiating on MD1, according to our readers.

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    1. Other rankings?? Share first 5 or 6 names please?

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    2. 1) Faghani 111
      2) Kuipers 52
      3) Cakir 50
      4) Skomina 48
      5) Marciniak 47
      6) Pitana 25
      7) Rocchi 24
      8) Ricci 19
      9) Cunha 17
      10) Shukralla 12
      11) Gassama 8
      12) Sikazwe, Ramos 4
      13) Diedihiou 3
      14) Aguilar, Roldán 2

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    3. For me
      1. Gassama
      2. Cakir
      3. Ricci
      4. Pitana
      5. Faghani
      6. Marciniak

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  2. Correct me if i am wrong but this is first game for Valeri since BRA SUI, and only as AVAR3. Maybe that is some signal by FIFA about their assessment of that goal situation

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    1. Possible but of course we can't be sure. Let's see whether he will get another game as Main VAR. This maybe will say more about that.

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    2. On the other hand Geiger has been appointed again after ARG-ISL. So no consequences for him from the penalty situation (as expected).

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    3. So might be possible that Geiger asked Marciniak about a review and Marciniak declined as according to him he saw it clearly???

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    4. Well, there are two options. One is that what you are saying, that Geiger recommended review and Marciniak declined. Other option is that no penalty decision was not assessed as wrong one neither by Geiger nor by RefCom

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    5. The probability of the 2nd one must be less... That was a pretty clear penalty!

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    6. Another possibility is that the decision was assessed as wrong, but there are no consequences for this decision. It could be more important for FIFA to appoint teams that worked together at the training sessions than punish someone for a missed penalty. Indeed, the small amount of VARs plays a role, too. I don‘t expect any punishment for VARs even in case of wrongly assessed incidents.

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    7. Even if it's a missed penalty, Marciniak's overall performance was quite positive so definitely a 2nd game was coming... Whether Germany v Sweden is deserved or not is another debate!

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  3. OT Champions League and Europa League appointments for preliminary rounds - just follow the links on the right of the blog to read them.

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    1. William Young is quite an important observer (friend of Dallas since years), he is in Gibraltar to watch four referees:
      Paul McLaughlin IRL
      Jørgen Daugbjerg Burchardt DEN
      Manfredas Lukjančukas LTU
      João Carlos dos Santos Capela POR

      Also Krondl for Christopher Jäger AUT, is quite interesting IMO.

      The rest are regular I think.

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    2. Can someone please find the corect appoinment in the europa league preliminary round 2 in the match with the swedish refereeing team(Karlsson) team? The person reported as AR1 dosn’t exist on top level.
      Also funny to see ekberg as FO

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    3. It's the appointment published in the official UEFA database. Maybe it's Peter Magnusson, but Peter Allheim is the name officially published there.

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  4. Another OT:

    Spain is leading the group B now for having seen 1 yellow card less than Portugal, that highlights the importance of yellow cards in this kind of tournaments!

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  5. OT, about ESP-IRI:

    A member of Iran NT press staff had to be taken to hospital after VAR intervention to confirm the goal was correctly disallowed.

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  6. FIFA statement related to media reports about FIFA referee Mark Geiger

    https://twitter.com/fifamedia/status/1009759207288197120

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    1. Expected statement. However, although there was nothing wrong, this rumors could make it more difficult to appoint Geiger for another match of Portugal. You know how things go on in situations like this...

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  7. I expect a physical matchs but little to no cards.

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    1. I expect a sending-off following the red kit - red card tradition ;)

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    1. Unbelievable... Both John Pitti and Ricardo Montero are way better than him!

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    2. Marrufo as main referee for Belgium - Tunisia

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    3. Referee designations FWC 2018 Match 27:#BEL⁠⁠⁠⁠🆚#TUN⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠(23 June):

      Referee: Jair MARRUFO (USA)
      ASR 1: Corey ROCKWELL (USA)
      ASR 2: Juan ZUMBA (SLV)
      4th Off. Andres CUNHA (URU)
      Res.Ass Nicolas TARAN (URU)

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    4. Wow, so we can expect that everyone has a chance to get a match.

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  9. Milorad Mazic appointed for South Korea v Mexico!

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    1. Referee designations FWC 2018 Match 28:#KOR⁠⁠⁠⁠🆚#MEX⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠(23 June):

      Referee: Milorad MAZIC (SRB)
      ASR 1: Milovan RISTIC (SRB)
      ASR 2: Dalibor DJURDJEVIC (SRB)
      4th Off. John PITTI (PAN)
      Res.Ass Gabriel VICTORIA (PAN)

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    2. I like the appointment, the 'easier one' compared to Sweden-Germany.

      Good start for something big :)

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    3. I'm very disappointed... He deserved Germany v Sweden :(

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    4. It's smarter to appoint him for not so 'big' match.
      Remember Germany-Portugal 4 years ago, good performance but a lot of media attention after the match...
      It seems that FIFA learned something from that.

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    5. You're right actually plus Sweden isn't thaaaaaat big a team so understandable that Mazic isn't mandatory! And nice to appoint Marciniak in a game that will be challenging as it's the last chance for Germany!

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    6. Germany, Sweden, Mexico group will cross with group where Serbia is first at this point. I assume that's the reason.

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    7. Niko, it's not.
      Brych will handle Serbia-Switzerland

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    9. Brych is refereeing Serbia v Switzerland too... I don't think at this level it's that big an issue!

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    10. Brych will be needed there :)
      Maybe just wanted to give Mazic an easier first game (not like 2014).

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    11. Nothing is easy in World Cup, especially when the match is not yet dead!

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  10. Referee designations FWC 2018 Match 29:#GER⁠⁠⁠⁠🆚#SWE⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠(23 June):

    Referee: Szymon MARCINIAK (POL)
    ASR 1: Pawel SOKOLNICKI (POL)
    ASR 2: Tomasz LISTKIEWICZ (POL)
    4th Off. Ryuji SATO (JPN)
    Res.Ass Toru SAGARA (JPN)

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    1. Very, very important match for Marciniak. This means that the penalty incident was assessed as supportable or correct. Given this appointment, we can expect something more in case of a good performance...

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    2. It's really difficult to understand how that penalty was evaluated as correct... But overall Marciniak was very good in all other aspects so a 2nd appointment was almost certain... Probably I would have preferred swapping Mazic and Marciniak but it's ok!

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    3. I think it was correct not to give that penalty to ARG. A physical contact in football is allowed and not always punishable - we all here know that. And on top of that Marciniak as a former football player has the game feeling and does not accept when players overuse incidents with physical contact in the penalty area to pretend it was tougher than it really was.

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  11. Marciniak appointed to Germany v Sweden... That means the no penalty call was evaluated as supportable at least... Shocking!

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    1. I had already said that if you take the whole game under review, you will see an excellent performance with many crucial situations, it is normal that one case, among others, can't make a big difference.

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    2. Of course Marciniak would get a 2nd game but I would have swapped Marciniak and Mazic!

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    3. I have the impression that you do not like Marciniak. Experts' opinions about PK for Argentina are very different, and even more often I have heard positive opinions about his decision.

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    4. In my opinion, the penalty decision was wrong! How does it make a difference whether I like Marciniak or not? I've repeatedly said that irrespective of whether the penalty was correct or not, his overall performance was totally positive and good... Probably you didn't see that!

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    5. Thanks for understanding :D

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  12. Lahoz in the red kit and I saw Geiger wearing a red shirt of Portugal 🇵🇹. 😜

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  13. Excellent second appointment for Marciniak.
    Mazic starts, if you ask me, with a rather low profile game, based on what I was expecting for him, but still crucial for both teams.

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    1. South Korea v Mexico might offer poor quality of football but will be most probably challenging in terms of fouls etc so maybe a not so bad appointment for Mazic... Marciniak will be more comfortable and familiar with Germany v Sweden so he can do well!

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  14. Marrufo appointed as main referee...

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  15. Finally something happens there... VAR review following an alleged deliberate hanbdall.

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    1. Penalty awarded... Mateu missed it! Excellent review in short time!

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  17. Penalty decision is fully correct: despite of a very short distance, definitely no reason for the player to keep his arm so open.

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    1. Excellent intervention by Mark Geiger... Good from Mateu Lahoz to accept the advise!

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  18. I want to underline how quick it was... very good process, again, VAR work is excellent there. We must praise the preparation of referees.

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    1. Mateu took about 5 seconds to view it in the monitor and call it... Quick, simple and clear process!

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    2. Praise VAR but also Lahoz for listening to them. He clearly said no penalty but was brave and good to his colleagues to listen to them when they said he should watch the replay.

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    3. This situation reminds me of missed penalty 8 years ago on the match Australia-Serbia:

      https://youtu.be/xFueokLoRyY
      1:29

      Your thoughts?

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    4. This gives the impression that Mark Geiger intervened in ARG-ISL also but his advice was not taken! It was always a bit tough to believe that Geiger didn't intervene when the clear penalty was missed!

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  19. Poulsen and conceding VAR penalties, name a better combo!

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  20. Danish reporter on bt.dk: "I used to be a fan of VAR. Not anymore"

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    1. Wonder if he says so when Denmark gets a penalty because of VAR.

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  21. YC for Poulsen was not necessary because the ball was not directed to goal

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    1. If it was directed to goal, won't it be a RC?

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    2. Not from that distance and when you have the keeper there

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    3. Only if it was denying a obvious goal. Which it wasn't.

      Toward goal? Yes. Denying an obvious goal? No.

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    4. Fully agree with Victor

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    5. Nope. Only if the player would clearly deny a goal. I also thought the yellow card was not necessary in this case as the header didn't go on target.

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    6. In my opinion YC not mandatory in this case, but not wrong as well. Grey area. It wasn't a shot on goal, but we could still talk about a possible promising attack stopped.
      However, without a teammate who is clearly ready to receive the ball, better to whistle only the foul.

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    7. I see... In the Skomina situation that was obviously denying an obvious goal!

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    8. Handling when shot (header in this case) is TOWARD goal is YC -- Futuro III pretty clear on this. As such YC correct here.

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  22. The only significant situation of first half was the penalty.
    Apart from that, nothing... expected level for Mateu?

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    1. Yes... Other than missed penalty, absolutely steady!

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    2. In terms of refereeing yes

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    3. Yes, so far an easy game. Mateu provides also a good flow to the game.

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  23. Urs Meier on German TV says it's no penalty as it wasn't intentional. But I feel like he's taking any chance to criticize referees nowadays.

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    1. Unnatural position is the problem here, not the intention

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    2. My thoughts exactly. That he did not mention. But despite his career, nowadays I wouldn't listen to what he says.

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    3. Issue is he deliberately raised his arm. That’s why it’s a foul. Deliberate act with the arm.

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    4. When Meier was referee on the pitch, it wasn't for sure the same football, especially in terms of refereeing, that we have today, although not so many years have passed. Possible that he is not aware of the recent guidelines about handballs... said with all the respect of course.

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    5. If we accept Meier's point of view, then the Colombian players' handball in Colombia v Japan was never deliberate in the true meaning of the word... But as Chefren says protocols are much different then only that!

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  24. Poulsen is first player in this WC to miss a game because of 2 YCs

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  25. I'm getting more and more tired with all those late challenges that involve players stepping on the other players foot that never get carded. (Rogic, 60')

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    1. +1, mandatory YC missing there

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    2. That is making me angry more and more, too... FIFA must give the order to the refs to watch those fouls much better and give YCs if there is no try to play the ball!

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  26. I have a question... Before the VAR penalty decision, we could clearly see Mateu waving play on and saying no penalty... So did Mateu miss the handball completely or he saw it and decided as undeliberate? As per protocols, VAR can intervene in either case and a review may be there as long as Mateu accepts the advise!

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    1. The handball wad clear IMO, just look at the direction of the ball.
      Mateu decided it wasn't deliberalety...

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    2. I don't really see how does that matter. And probably it would only turn out if you would listen the communication system. ;)

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    3. "Wrongly seen" or "missed"? These two different concepts are indeed very important for VAR assessment. It is also possible that Mateu thought ball had touched another part of the body and not the arm.

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    4. @Chefren That's exactly what I meant... If Mateu missed it completely he had to go and watch the monitor for sure on VAR advice but if he saw it and thought not deliberate then he was well within his rights to say that he has seen it clearly and thus decline the pitchside review request... But of course VAR can intervene in both cases but how the referee recieves it can be different in both situations... If Mateu saw that and interpreted it as undeliberate initially and then took the VAR advice to review and overturn then much credit to him... We potentially had situations where referees rejected VAR advice so credit to Mateu where it's due! Either way it was an excellent application of VAR!!

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  27. 9 fouls and one of them is PK!
    Great

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  28. 84' YC for Sisto. Did anyone see why (dissent?)?

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    1. Reason was not shown here (missed by broadcaster).
      Some sites report that it was for dissent.

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    2. Few players were included in dissent, Lahoz picked Sisto for YC

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  29. 1 missed YC and some little mistakes incl. 1 obvious missed free kick 89 min for AUS in dangerous position. Average performance by Mateu-Lahoz.

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    1. This was an expected level performance... Just a missed free kick can't make it average!

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  30. Mateu is really inconsistent with his foul detection in the second half and I think he missed 2 yellow cards at least. Way too lenient, but full acceptance from the players.

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    1. Sorry my friend, but I don't know why we are still speaking about missed yellow cards on this WC.

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    2. Haha you are right, still I think two obvious ones missed. And he could avoid Sisto's yellow if just 10 seconds before for same holding he gaves freekick to denmark. But anyhow I think MAteu is on expected level, and great player management. Good to see smiling players and smiling Mateu :)

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  31. 12 fouls in this game, for sure a record so far and maybe it will remain for the whole tournament. Impossible to whistle less fouls than that.

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    1. Wonder if it’s a record in the world cup history.

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  32. German TV and media is not convinced at all - they doubt that this was a penalty. I don‘t share this view, clear handball in my view.

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    1. Luckily, they are just media ;)

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    2. Yes, but of course some people/spectators will be influenced...

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  33. Which is your opinion on Cornelius shirt pulling inside penalty box? Several people complaining on forums that if he would have dived VAR would have intervened (I suppose it intervened anyway)

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  34. Well, if the minimum of detected fouls is the result of bad foul detection and some of those missed fouls were enough for YC - for me at least one, may be 2 - and ref did not recognize the handball-PK with best view to the situation, I cannot see his performance as expected level. And that in a match which was not challenging more than average.

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  35. About the handball-PK: According to the actual interpretation of the rules the PK was mandatory, BUT the outcome of these interpretation is clearly unfair. These interpretation should be corrected in a way, that only intentional handplay (hand/arm moves towards the ball) is punished - like in former times. Punishing s.th. the player himself did not want and what happened by chance is a violation of the principle of fairness!

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  36. And the compilation of key match incidents:

    https://vimeo.com/album/5246037

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  37. Tottenham Hotspur's Christian Eriksen found the back of the net as Denmark drew 1-1 with Australia in a tense Group C match on Thursday.

    https://structuredsettlementquick.blogspot.com

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