Debut of Portuguese Artur Dias in Turkey - Wales, let's comment his performance here.
Baku, 16 June 2021 18:00 CET
TURKEY - WALES
Referee: Artur Manuel Ribeiro Soares Dias (POR)
Assistant Referee 1: Rui Licino Barbosa Tavares (POR)
Assistant Referee 2: Paulo Alexandre Santos Soares (POR)
Fourth Official: Bartosz Frankowski (POL)
Fifth Official: Marcin Boniek (POL)
Video Assistant Referee: Joao Pedro Silva Pinheiro (POR)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee 1: François Letexier (FRA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee 2: Iñigo Prieto López de Cerain (ESP)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee 3: Alejandro José Hernández Hernández (ESP)
UEFA Referee Observer: Nikolai Levnikov (RUS)
UEFA Delegate: Irakli Nakaidze (GEO)
Assistant Referee 1: Rui Licino Barbosa Tavares (POR)
Assistant Referee 2: Paulo Alexandre Santos Soares (POR)
Fourth Official: Bartosz Frankowski (POL)
Fifth Official: Marcin Boniek (POL)
Video Assistant Referee: Joao Pedro Silva Pinheiro (POR)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee 1: François Letexier (FRA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee 2: Iñigo Prieto López de Cerain (ESP)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee 3: Alejandro José Hernández Hernández (ESP)
UEFA Referee Observer: Nikolai Levnikov (RUS)
UEFA Delegate: Irakli Nakaidze (GEO)
6‘: good onside call by AR2!
ReplyDelete17' Wales asked for penalty, correct to consider touch by arm not punishable.
ReplyDelete23’ Looks like another great onside call by AR2 from the angle I saw.
ReplyDelete23' good onside again by AR2
ReplyDelete30’ For me a missed foul and YC for stopping a promising Wales attack. It looked a deliberate barge as opposed to shoulder for me.
ReplyDeleteMin. 30' No foul for WAL? IMO a YC for SPA missed.
ReplyDelete31' missed tactical foul.
ReplyDeleteAccording to our Dutch commentator we can only witness the match from one camera position due to technical issues in Baku. I hope VMO’s in Nyon do have access to all camera positions!
ReplyDeleteAnd full footage and sound restored again in 39’
DeleteA hat trick of great onside calls
ReplyDelete42’ A third correct onside call from AR2, with Aaron Ramsey finally scoring for Wales.
ReplyDeletePerfect performance by Dias so far. He has been consistent in allowing the game to flow. Some may argue that he should have whistled & issued a YC on 30' for Turkish player for allegedly stopping a counter, but it's debatable.
ReplyDeleteGreat onside call by d AR for d goal.
Dias might be one of the (good) surprises of this Euro!
DeleteI think he also missed a YC for Wal player elbow to face.
ReplyDeleteAnyone have a problem with the free kick restart by Turkey at 9'? The ball was still moving by my eyes. Very lucky for the officiating team that it did not result in a goal (it amounted to a shot on net and corner kick).
ReplyDeleteI think the ball stopped completely when it was restarted.
DeleteExpected level first half by Soareas Dias in a not challenging game so far.
ReplyDeleteThe first half was not challenging PURELY bcos of the referee's perfect handling of the game so far.
DeleteI love the very clear communication to the players on time wasting.
ReplyDeleteDel Cerro Grande can learn something from Dias.
Very convincing body langue by Dias, calm but clear. Correct penalty now. Nice to see.
ReplyDeletelanguage of course...
DeleteI have not seen Dias a lot but today, I am convinced.
Correct penalty, good spot by Soares Dias, despite of a not perfect positioning to detect whether inside or outside, he got the right decision.
ReplyDeleteCorrect penalty and a quick VAR support
ReplyDeleteThe referee is always in the middle of the players. and blocking the pass paths of the players.
ReplyDeleteFirst mass confrontation of the tournament, a very extra-ordinary scene compared to the games we saw so far, I think that Artur Dias did well, all three bookings are reasonable. I didn't spot any clear RC behavior.
ReplyDeleteCorrect NO VAR intervention.
There were 4 yellow cards issued: two for each team.
DeleteExcellent handling by the referee once again, in bringing the scuffle under control.
ReplyDeleteGreat display of emotional intelligence, with those common sense YCs.
The biggest winners here is UEFA & Rosetti.
Difficult mass confrontation now at the end - surely the Turks are frustated now. Dias did well in keeping an overview and issued some YCs correctly.
ReplyDeleteIn general, the Portuguese showed a VERY good performance with a correct penalty awarded. I especially liked his confident and clear approach and how he prevented time wasting.
I might be emotional a bit but Dias didn't deal with time wasting well. Welsh gkspent good 7-8 mins second half.
DeleteAfter Siebert one more absolutely positive surprise. Convincing and nearly without even minor mistakes, very good communication and body language, clear and consistent line. Compliments!
ReplyDeleteTerrific performance from Dias today. Correct PK, handled the mass confrontation as well as he could have, and was convincing in his body language and foul detection throughout. Great stuff.
ReplyDelete"As well as he could have?!?!?!!"
DeleteWow.
I hope this isn't the consensus opinion.
He almost randomly picked two Welsh players to caution. To come out of that mass-con with more discipline for the Welsh than the Turks is bizarre. #10 Turkey and #22 Turkey absolutely had to be punished. #10 was potentially a RC, too. And on the Welsh side, he probably got the least culpable guys. #14 Wales shoved the Turkish captain to the ground--easy, easy, yellow card and what made it really all take off.
Randomly cautioning three people and restarting play is not "as well as he could have." That was horrendous management of a mass con, particularly in the VAR age.
It seems, TUR#10 got a YC off camera after the confrontration (maybe after advice by the AR).
DeleteBut yes, it appeared to be quite a heavy elbow hit at 90:20 in the live pictures - not shown again in the replays.
Two incorrect assertions in usaref's comment, which grates because of the rather dismissive tone of the comment.
Delete1. (almost) randomly picked two Welsh players to caution - no, he picked the instigator (I think) on the Welsh side, and the only player who did not leave the scene after repeated requests by the referee to do so.
2. To come out of that mass-con with more discipline for the Welsh than the Turks is bizarre. #10 Turkey and #22 Turkey absolutely had to be punished - #10 Turkey was booked and both teams got two bookings.
Usaref, there were 4 yellow cards issued (two for each team) and, yes, most of us want mass confrontations solved quickly and move on.
DeleteOh no, dismissive comments! The sensitivities some anonymous people have on this board is amazing.
DeleteSomeone asserted this is the best one could handle a mass-con. It is not. Period. And I have no problem saying so.
As to the specific complaints about my comments...
1) No, he did not pick the instigator on the Welsh side. Watch again. #14 Wales shoves the Turkish captain over. Insofar as what really added accelerant to the situation that was it. And #14 received no discipline. I also am unclear how one would assert he cautioned "the only player who did not leave the scene." Everyone was still there. He reflexively beckoned #4 to him because he saw #4 do something right in front of him. But given the totality of events, that's not enough.
2) To the idea there was equal justice and #10 Turkey got rightly cautioned. First off, the fact that three cautions were shown at once and the other was done off-screen after consultation is evidence this was not handled well. When issuing multiple cards in a situation like this, you make sure you know what you're doing and then do it all at once. It's not my fault that I didn't know #10 got a caution if it wasn't visibly clear--that is on the referee. Further, as video has shown, #10 was awfully close to a red card.
In a situation like this, you do all your consultation and then mete out the discipline. Soares Dias never calmed down and sorted it out. I cannot fathom how someone watches that whole incident and believes he was firmly in control and handled it well. You can tell he was panicking. He was minutes away from finishing his first EURO match and didn't want anything to mess it up. That's fine. That's a human reaction. I can't only criticize him so much because Lord knows I have no idea if any of us could have handled it better. But let's not then start asserting ridiculous things like this was well handled. It was not.
Please remember that not all readers are coming from the British/American school of refereeing with long consultation after incidents. In other parts of the world, quick cards and quick restart are preferred.
DeleteSorry, but first I would reject any notion that there is a "British/American" school of refereeing. American refereeing, to the extent it has a style, is very much informed by what has come from Latin America. Of course, there is a lot of diversity given both our geographic and cultural diversity. But the point is that refereeing didn't start when Peter Walton showed up.
DeleteSecond, I utterly reject the idea that a quick restart on a mass-con is what is desired or expected in CONMEBOL or CONCACAF. So it's not everywhere in the world.
But third and perhaps most importantly, I actually personally agree that a quick restart and an avoidance of a long discussion is preferred. It's one of the things I have in my standard pre-game. But I phrase it something like this:
"A live ball is our best friend so I want to restart as quickly as possible from major incidents. But we can't do that by missing mandatory cards. If I am going to restart play too quickly or if you have critical advice from me, stop me to get my attention. Don't let me restart and miss something match critical."
My point here is that you can't just restart because that's desirable when it means you are not doing the incident justice. In this case, again, the comment was that this mass-con was handled as well as it could have been, which is false. You can say it handled in an understandable manner, but he still fell short in a lot of ways. Quite frankly, I personally think he failed the scene.
You wanted red card yesterday for Rudiger and I feel you wanted red card today. Yesterday's ref already got another match, so let's see what happens with today's ref. That will be UEFA's answer.
DeleteI disagree Anonymous 23:15! Many readers try to deduct the (in-)correctness of certain decisions from future appointments. As I think the group stage, at least MD’s 1 and 2, have been appointed before the tournament, in my mind only referees who really screw up will be replaced. Reading the committee’s mind of future appointments would be completely inaccurate to my taste.
DeleteIsn't it wonderful how you can assign what I "wanted" because I utilize a user name? If only there weren't so many "anonymous" handles, it would be much easier to have consistent discussions. Alas, there must be a reason for it.
DeleteAnyway, you're wrong. Or, more precisely, your point is irrelevant.
My post about Rudiger was quite detailed and clear. First of all, I absolve Cerro Grande and Jimenez of ANY responsibility whatsoever, so the idea that you think I am wrong or that it shows UEFA's answer about something I suggested is intellectually bankrupt. Any "punishment"--if, indeed, that's what I was advocating--would be relative to the VAR team.
Second, I stressed the psychology of the decision-making process in the VAR booth and I left it an open question as to what UEFA truly wants here. My personal opinion is that if you have VAR and you have biting as an explicit red card in the LOTG, then yes, VAR has to intervene. I don't see another justifiable outcome. But I'm one person sitting at my keyboard on a different continent. It doesn't mean what I believe is what UEFA believes. If UEFA decides "no interevntion" is correct for their tournament, it's not going to change my opinion here on what is actually the right outcome.
And, finally, I don't think at any point I said I "wanted a red card" in this mass-con. The reading comprehension skills of some people here are laughably poor, despite me trying to make myself crystal clear. My criticism is in how he handled the mass-con itself. It was poorly done. He was panicking. He was frantic. He chose a player almost at random. He missed some one of the biggest instigators and one of the worst offences. And visually he did not convey the cards in a manner that is desirable, leading to more confusion. Those are my complaints. Handling a mass-con is a refereeing skill in and of itself. The veracity of a particular card is a different question.
And, to that point, if #10 did deserve a red card then that's on the VAR in this particular situation. But I never took a strong position on that.
Just to add, it's like a bunch of people just come here to guess what UEFA thinks instead of actually thinking and analyzing for themselves and discussing performances based on the merits as they see them.
DeleteExcellent Dias, maybe best performance of tournament so far
ReplyDeleteDias gestures and communication resembles Proenca's way of refereeing from Euro 2012.
DeleteI think today’s performance by Dias is the refereeing performance of the tournament so far. What a game from Artur Dias! Great decisions, body language, didn’t show a card until he absolutely had no choice but to. In all honesty I’m not too sure how he doesn’t get bigger European games.
ReplyDeleteWow, Soares Dias very positively surprised me. Not only decisions but also body language, management was something I'm sure Rosetti looks for. Two questions: was it a violent conduct by Burak in 82'? and what Turkish players protested against after the second goal?
ReplyDeleteMaybe they remembered Steegstra's offside flag at a corner kick in their first match and wanted a repeat? :)
DeleteAs I was at the stadium, they thought that Welsh forward who was blocking goalkeeper's view was in offside position. I didn't have chance to see the replay, I believe there was another Turkish player closer to line than the Welsh forward. If there is noone then he assessed that the forward was not blocking the gk.
DeleteThis is the violent conduct by Burak mentioned above. Clenched fist indicates a clear violent nature of the striking.
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