Sunday, 20 June 2021

UEFA EURO 2020 Match 26: Italy - Wales (discussion)

Ovidiu Hațegan in charge of Italy - Wales as second appearance at EURO 2020. Comments about his performance. 


Group A
Rome, 20 June 2021 18:00 CET
ITALY - WALES
Referee: Ovidiu Hațegan (ROU)
Assistant Referee 1: Radu Ghinguleac (ROU)
Assistant Referee 2: Sebastian Gheorghe (ROU)
Fourth Official: Orel Grinfeeld (ISR)
Fifth Official: Roy Hassan (ISR)
Video Assistant Referee: Paweł Gil (POL)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee 1: François Letexier (FRA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee 2: Benjamin Pagès (FRA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee 3: Pol van Boekel (NED)
UEFA Referee Observer: Michael Riley (ENG)
UEFA Delegate: Angelo Chetcuti (MLT)

91 comments:

  1. 30'. In my opinion good decision to not show yellow card to Emerson for simulation.

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  2. Good decision, min. 31, no penalty, no simulation. Play on!

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  3. Simulation at 31'? Opinions?

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    1. No simulation imo. Correct decision by Hategan.

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    2. See above second and third comments.

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  4. Clear missed yellow card in 35' min for James. Verbal warning is not enough, definitely a reckless challenge with high intensity.

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    1. Definitely. It was closer to SFP than to no card at all.

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    2. Are you serious ??? correct verbal warning for the first key foul of the match

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    3. I agree, it was a clear YC. Reckless challenge, warning is not supportable here. Except the missed YC, very solid performance by Hategan.

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    4. Exactly, that's why it would be the perfect moment to give the first booking of the game. It is simply a YC, no question. Even with the slowmotion kind of orange challenge, but it was a textbook YC and would be great for tactical point of view for Hategan.

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  5. No simulation: Emerson lose balance. By the way he was unoppposed.

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  6. hategan also wearing this little item on the belt. i think it either be a tracker for measuring anything. or a microphone to record some chat for the next uefa documentary

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  7. So far so good. Top class Hategan in first half.

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  8. Must say i think Hategan's performance in this match and his last has been exceptional. I think he is a certain to continue in the tournament and could go far. Maybe an outsider for SF or the actual final?

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  9. 49' foul on Bale I would have given YC for. I don't understand why some refs are reticent to show yellow. I don't know what the overall average is for many matches, but I know four yellows in a match is common, though I guess referees are being more lenient at these Euros.

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    1. While agreeing with you i point that Hategan is consistent in his approach, just like at 35' with James. I can disagree but i surely respect consistency.

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  10. Wow, RC for SFP! Not expected in real speed. Wrong decision for me.

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    1. It's a very clear RC...

      Fantastic decision by Hategan!

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    2. Nothing for the VAR but it is a very harsh decision. Definitely not mandatory. If we keep in mind that UEFA does not want to have "harsh" sent-offs, I guess this was not the best decision by Hategan.

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  11. And we have a first direct RC!

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    1. Borderline height, but I would say absolutely supportable.

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  12. Absolutely correct red card 55'. Hategan is brilliant!

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  13. I think the correct decision. Thought it was his foot at first but it appears to be on the ankle

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  14. wow...very very harsh red card against wales. if you consider the very lenient approach with only a verbal warning against james, this seems very harsh now...i think a yellow card would have been enough. but it is not clear and obvious for ofr...

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  15. Correct RC for me. At least supportable, imho more than that.

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  16. Peter Walton on STV just said that players/teams were advised that, that sort of challenge will be a red card therefore correct call from Hategan.

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  17. Hategan is the red card king of the tournament :D

    But I have doubts about this one. I can understand why he issued RC for SFP, but the point of contact indicates more YC than RC.
    Never VAR stuff, but I would prefer YC here.

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  18. That’s not a red card. Absolutely not enough speed and intensity, and the contact was too low on the foot for me. Poor decision from Hategan, I think his tournament is over.

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    1. I think the speed is the reason it should be a YC, too. Was the speed dangerous to do serious harm (foul play) to the defender? I don't think so. A little harder and RC, but that decision could be the end of Wales' tournament hopes, so it should be a clear RC and not borderline, which this one was for me.

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    2. It was the foot and above the foot at the same time. Not an incorrect red card at all but it will never be seen as 100% correct because it hit two parts at the same time.

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  19. For me correct RC by Hategan.

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  20. For me RC not mandatory, but possible. In this peaceful game I would have preferred YC, but RC can be supported, too.

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  21. I consider a correct red card! Sole on ankle + var confirmation

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  22. Hello and greetings from Greece. Does anybody know why the 2 AR have different shapes of flag? Is that appropriate for the look of the referees?

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    1. Some sets have 2 different flags so that the referee can differentiate between ar1 and ar2

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    2. I haven't noticed this detail so far. And I think the most of the people neither.

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    3. I can't speak for Romania, but in England, AR1 has a orange/yellow flag (chequered with four squares), whereas AR2's flag is all yellow

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    4. Back in the day AR1 used a red flag and AR2 yellow...I think the different shape of flag nowadays work just fine to differentiate them.

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    5. I have notticed that at premier league where the 2nd Ar has the yellow flag but i havent see it again in Euro. Thanks a lot for your answers.

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  23. For me is harsh RC. YC would have been better. My opinion.

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  24. I don't know what to think about that RC for SFP. The point of contact is definetly pointing towards a YC, but the force/intensity is quite high. The red player has his studs open and does not pull back his foot, but rather "jumps" in the opponent unrestrainedly. Correct non-intervention in any case for me.

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  25. Missed YC for Italy in 60' for SPA.
    I think Hategan is 100% correct with his foul selection, but the disciplinary measures are simply wrong today. Somehow I feel like he is struggling with the expected "lenient" approach of the tournament.

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    1. I agree. He is in fully control, foul detection is very good but his disciplinary control is not predictable. Some possible or even mandatory YCs missed while the RC for SFP is very harsh.

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    2. I wouldnt say so. 2 YC in the previous game were mandatory, and today IMO he missed a clear YC in the first half. This situation he saw very well and his impression was that it is excessive force, open foot into anckle, and he gave supportable RC.

      It was the closest to La Liga criteria for RC, maybe some refs would have opted for a YC.

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  26. Watching Bastoni somehow avoid a yellow card so far is like watching Fernandinho every single game for Man City.

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  27. Now checked the RC, correct decision in my opinion.
    However, I think VAR wouldn't have intervened in case of YC.
    https://ibb.co/8jrC7Zd
    The studs are a bit higher than a "normal" step on foot, but not that high. A referee could easily go for YC, but spotting RC is surely something appreciable, the decision is justified, safety of opponent was endangered.
    Having said that, please note that in both Hategan games we have some decisions that very likely other referees wouldn't have taken (both YC in previous game and now this straight RC).
    This could be seen as "going by book", and maybe somebody don't like that, but you can't criticize Hategan.
    Absolutely correct by VAR to support.

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    1. My guess is that Rosetti/UEFA doesnt like that way of officiating unfortunately

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    2. Indeed the final question is the following: "Does committee like this officiating by Hategan?"
      I hope so, for him.

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    3. Why different means wrong? If a red cars must be shown, than show red card! And he took a correct decision! If Uefa support agressive play that could result to injuries than I don't agree to that.

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    4. Thing is, the red card is not a "must". We can agree that it is not VAR stuff but for me and some others, it is a harsh decision. That's why it is reasonable to ask whether UEFA will be happy with this decision. Generally, they prefer RCs only if it is a very clear one.

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    5. red card too harsh for me especially in context of the whole tournament so far. Could be the last game for Hategan. I dont think that UEFA will appoint him KO match. 50/50 red card in such a match will not be accepted by UEFA

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    6. I like the RC, as for me it looked like the Welsh player even had to stretch his leg a bit to hit the ankle. Anyway, IMO never wrong by the book, as the foul is at least endangering the safety of an opponent.

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  28. So in a nutshell: Supportable red card, but in the context of the tournament and compared to the approach by Hategan in previous situations in that match quite surprising.

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  29. I was not focus on this match but after watching the replay, IMO RC is absolutely supportable and I actually prefer to see RC in this case. Hatagen has a very good performance so far in this EURO

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  30. Really interesting how many fouls has Bastoni done AFTER receiving a verbal warning.

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  31. Incorrect offside call by AR2 imo but only seen from one angle so not 100% sure but first thought was he was onside.

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  32. I don't usually predict referees' futures in this tourney, but I will make an exception in this case.

    This will surely be Hategan's final game of this Euros.
    He has an occasional 'brash' air that UEFA do not normally appreciate in their referees.

    In the spirit of this match, and this tournament in general, that RC is CLEARLY wrong!!!

    It's not a coincidence that the 2RCs so far in this tournament has come from only 1 referee: HATEGAN!!!

    I cannot wait to see the back of him.

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    1. Surely it is not a coincidence that he was the only referee to send off players, but it is also true that one can't question on the nature of the decisions. However, my sensation is that committee prefers the different approach, let's call it in this way.

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    2. I don't usually predict referees' futures in this tourney, but I will make an exception in this case.

      This will surely be Lawal's final comment of this Euros.

      I cannot wait to see the back of him.

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    3. @Chefren

      I appreciate your point about having variety in refereeing style/method.

      However, I disagree with your assertion that the nature of Hategan's decision regarding issuing Ampadu a RC is unquestionable.

      In my opinion, it is a VERY VERY questionable RC.
      At worst, that tackle was careless, but NOT reckless or violent.

      This is somewhat similar to Lovren's elbow on Schick. Careless, but NOT reckless or violent. Therefore a YC is most appropriate.

      For most people who have played the game, they will probably support a YC, & not a RC for Ampadu.

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    4. @Carl

      I don't think so😊

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    5. Clearly wrong is a wrong despription in my opinion. I hope Uefa will apreciate this good decision, as this is a correct decision regarding the rules. Furthermore, is what announced before this tournament and Hategan applied. It's a sign for everyone that the refs are there and won't tolerate such a play, especially in a fair game.

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    6. @Lawaj, You are the only one over here who thinks that that should have never been a red card. Don't you think this is strange? My guess is 65-70% would say it is a red card. Definetely I disagree with you

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    7. It's a RC if you go by the book. And Hategan is the definition of a "by the book" referee. If you look at current top 5 UEFA referees (Kuipers, Makkelie, Brych, Lahoz, Orsato) none of them are "by the book" refs. All of them a game managers that sometimes bend the letter of the law a little bit for the sake of the game.

      So certainly you can't blame Hategan for this decision. But this decision is the exact reason why I don't believe that he will get a CL/Euro final. I don't expect to see him again in this tournament.

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  33. German TV refereeing expert Manuel Gräfe (ex Bundesliga referee) assessed the RC for SFP as a correct decision (open studs; WAL player hazards to injure the opponent).

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    1. I would not say "wrong" statement by Gräfe but let me say (a bit ironically) that I am very sure, Gräfe would not have given it if he whistled the match ;).

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    2. Yes, it was correct by the LOTG, but was it consistent with other decisions in this tournament?

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  34. Not convinced at all by Hategan today. For me, not enough for a RC, considering the nature of the match. Additionally, disciplinary line throughout the game was inconsistent. Bastoni should have easily received a YC for persistent infringement, if not for SPA on one of his last fouls. The threshold for a card was not consistent throughout the game.

    I would be very surprised to see Hategan again – and if we do, it will be in the lowest profile R16 match.

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  35. Many persons who support a RC for Ampadu in this game, were very satisfied with a YC for Lovren on Schick.

    That's double standard in my opinion.

    For me both are careless but NOT reckless or violent. So YC on both occassions.

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    1. Careless = no card
      Reckless = yellow card
      Excessive / violent = red card

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    2. Following your standard, I will describe this as violent and definitely not reckless

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    3. Many persons who support YC ignore the speed and the force with the foult was made

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    4. Many persons think that you have no idea what you are talking about.

      An ELBOW = TACKLE? That's double standards in my opinion.

      For me, careless is no ammunition, reckless is yc, violent is rc. Not just for me but for the FIFA REGULATIONS OF THE RULES BOOK.

      For most people who have played the game they are glad that you are obviously not an arbiter as they like being able to walk after the match.

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    5. @Lawaj Have a day off, think you've had one too many this evening.

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  36. Generally speaking, I would like to see a similiar approach more often in UEFA refereeing. Lenient regarding fouls and YCs (i.e. first issue warnings, if justifiable.), but strict and hard when it comes to protecting the health of players.

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  37. It’s no good UEFA saying these statements about ‘protect the players’ & showing videos pre-tournament if they don’t want the referees to actually do it! This isn’t the same as the ‘stamping’ (stepping on top of foot) near the ball which has generally been given a YC; this was a straighter leg and by the shin, sliding down to finish on the ankle. The ball was long gone (and he was never likely to win it fairly). It looked the worst when viewed from the angle Hategan had (shown on replays). Whether he would have got away with giving a YC is uncertain, but I think he was totally right with the RC.

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  38. The Ampadu challenge is borderline, red or yellow can both be supported here. However, I think yellow would have been the better decision for Hategan, especially given his leniency on a similar incident in minute 35.

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  39. Ampadu's tackle was only reckless(studs on foot) certainly not a serious foul play and only deserved a yellow card

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    1. I think it isn't a studs on foot , ampadu's leg go on Italian's ankle .

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  40. Ovidiu Hategan's performance overall adequate, but the Romanian referee does not propose winning personality

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  41. I'm saddened by the relativisation of disciplinary sanction nowadays. And that the referee is lambasted for taking the (only) correct decision. Do you really think it's a foot? OK, Ovidiu missed some yellow cards today but the sending off was 100% spot on!

    https://snipboard.io/JSKOzZ.jpg
    https://snipboard.io/QRrK5H.jpg

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  42. I think that RC was not mandatory but it can be supported

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  43. IMO really difficult and borderline decision. In the spirit to protect players and to carefully apply the LOTG I would say that RC is correct. In addition when decisons are "half and half" we must trust on what the referee saw and felt on the pitch in real time

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    1. Considering Hategans use of cards the rest of the game, this RC was simply not fitting his line. This RC was possible but when I see Hategans card management the rest of the game, then its simply a wrong decision in that context IMO

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    2. You shouldn't talk about general line if there is DOGSO/SFP/VC incident. They have to be assessed isolatedly!

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  44. I said that I won't post anymore here, but I think it's case to say few words.

    Until this moment, Hategan is the bravest referee of the tournament. Without any doubt, his both red cards were mandatory. Indeed, not all the referees would have the courage to show a red card in those situations. Even worst, in both cases (Krykhowiak and Ampadu) not all the referees would have been able to detect properly the exact place of contact (or impact, as you wish).

    About the red card of Ampadu there are not many things to say. There are two things which make the red card mandatory: the place of impact and the intensity of the foul. Please, don't forget about the intensity, which is important. Honestly, Bernardeschi was very, very lucky. His safety was heavily endangered by the intervention of Ampadu. We can't accept such interventions on a football pitch (the safety of the players should be main objective).

    Please, take a look at these photos:
    - https://ibb.co/7SF3gVX (start)
    - https://ibb.co/Jkf4JvZ (end)

    Beyond everyone's sympathies or interests, it's a matter of honestity to recognize that a red card for Ampadu was mandatory.

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    1. I don't think that these discussions ("braver than others"; "others would not have done this or that") lead to something productive.

      The tackle which resulted in the red card is obviously and by official definition a SUBJECTIVE decision. This means that you can have interpretations. Of course, there are official guidelines and instructions nudging us into the one or other direction. For some it was a yellow card, for others a red card. Calling those who prefer a yellow card "dishonest" isn't helpful. Maybe, petroschvschi, question yourself whether you would such an emotional statement for one of the other 17 referees who do not belong to your nationality. I think you know the answer ;)

      Let's focus on the tackle. It's no stamp on foot, but it's also not above the ankle. So obviously we have a type of location and point of contact which is rarely analysed in the guidelines. In the UEFA DVDS, however, the few examples coming close to this are yellow cards.

      Also, I'm a fan of looking at the other 90 minutes rather than the 2 seconds focused by everyone, and there I must say that Hategan did well, but that from the whole, overall picture of authority, player management and acceptance I see him rather in the lower midfield. For this reason, I think he will get a fourth official appointment in KO and nothing more.

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  45. HIGHLIGHTS

    https://we.tl/t-E0bXq5XnQV

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