Felix Brych in charge of Belgium - Portugal, Round of 16 at EURO 2020. We can continue here the discussion.
Seville, 27 June 2021 21:00 CET
BELGIUM - PORTUGAL
Referee: Felix Brych (GER)
Assistant Referee 1: Mark Bosch (GER)
Assistant Referee 2: Stefan Lupp (GER)
Fourth Official: Georgi Kabakov (BUL)
Fifth Official: Martin Margaritov (BUL)
Video Assistant Referee: Marco Fritz (GER)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee 1: Christian Dingert (GER)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee 2: Christian Gittelmann (GER)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee 3: Bastian Dankert (GER)
UEFA Referee Observer: David Fernández Borbalán (ESP)
UEFA Delegate: Iveta Stoyanova (BUL)
UEFA knew that this will be the most challenging match of this tournament so far. So they appointed Brych and they reached their goal: Public won't talk about the referee after the match. So everything is totally fine.
ReplyDeleteSecond game of the tournament that needs a second discussion on the blog, after Portugal - France in group stage.
ReplyDeleteI strongly hope for a better quality of the comments in this after-game analysis.
Thank you.
He finished the game without crucial mistakes but with many minor mistakes. IMO he was below expectations.
ReplyDeleteHe was too linient, too calm, react very late. And at the end he lost control.
ReplyDeleteBelow expectations Brych must go to home.
At the outset can I say, I didn’t watch the full 90 minutes.
ReplyDeleteI’ve read the comments and I just wonder if everyone was watching the same game (referee!) there are so many varying comments both good and bad.
Can I ask one question?
Did the decision of Rossetti’s to appoint Brych to two consecutive Belgium games backfire?
Was this any reason for the below par performance (going by reports) of Brych tonight?
My main issue with this performance is one that nobody mentioned so far. IMO he didn't do anything to protect Belgian players from harsh Portuguese. How Palhinha finished this match without RC is beyond me. I am also shocked that Portugal received only one YC more than Belgium considering style of play of both and how many more harsh fouls POR made
ReplyDeleteTo answer your question:
Delete1: No of fouls: Belgium 15 Portugal 9
2: Two 2 Yc of belgium players were for kicking the ball away if I rememeber correctly
Totally agree with you, Filip_MNE.
Delete@pele 23 That stats just shows how much of dirty Portugal play he let go without even a foul
DeleteMasterclass. This is pure final material.
ReplyDeleteCan we say the earth is not circular? :))
DeleteIn 1st half Brych with a very soft line, for me a bit too soft, 2 mandatory YCs missed. Foul detection just average, some mistakes.
ReplyDelete2nd half the most challenging of the tournament so far. He changed his line being more strict, but without destroying the flow of a fascinating match, which was perfect for the game, which was heated but not really unfair. Better foul detection, esp. not following some divers, very good communication in a dissent, cooling everyone down. Brych never lost control until the end, made nearly no mistake in 2nd half. All in all well done, an acceptable performance with some minor mistakes. IMO he should give more strict warnings to remind the players that he is still the boss in such heated games and work a bit on the analysis on his foul detection in 1st half, but he is still one of the best European refs without doubt.
Talking about candidates for finals much too early now, let's wait until the quarterfinals are finished!
UEFA cannot be happy with Brych's display. Terrible discipline and foul detection. Crucial mistake not to send off Palhinha. He tried to manage a game like Rizzoli did or Taylor, for instance, does, but he clearly hasn't capacity to do so. The worst performance of the tournament so far. Totally failed the test. Definitely has to go home. And I don't write this with joy.
ReplyDeleteWorst performance ? LOOOOL ! Do you watch the same game than us ?
DeleteI did and yeah pretty awful from Brych. Let's be honest.
DeleteRUSDEN with Turpin was best leaded than PORBEL ?
DeleteAUMKD with Ekberg was best leaded than PORBEL ?
FRAALL with Del Cerro Grande was best leaded than PORBEL ?
CROCZE with Del Cerro Grande was best leaded than PORBEL ?
NEDAUT with Grinfeeld was best than PORBEL ?
...And many examples.
No. No. No. No. And...No. Be honnest ! Not a cheerleader...
My opinion. You can agree to disagree.
DeleteThose who like to talk about control and acceptance...your thoughts? It was pretty ugly from Brych.
ReplyDeleteBrych did what he could do. Not everything was always 100% correct. Not the easiest game of the tournament.
ReplyDeleteI definitely see Brych staying at the tournament.
DeleteLet's be honest, the arguments on this blog was more heated than the match itself.
ReplyDeleteThere were loads of over-reactions by many commenters.
Bel vs Por was always going to be a very challenging game for any referee. And an inexperienced referee may have been tempted to spoil the spectacle by issuing a couple of RCs.
But Brych used his experience well in keeping the game just under control without killing the tempo and passion involved in the game.
My honest feeling is that some people on this blog will prefer to watch high school basketball, rather than an highly charged Euro KO game.
The biggest winners today are the fans, UEFA and football.
Football is passion. Well done Brych.
I hope we see him again in this tourney.
This particular comment could actually make sense if it was someone else, but since we know our friend, it is probably just to oppose the majority. A pity to think more about how to draw attention than to contribute a discussion.
DeleteI totally disagree when people commented something similar to "well done Brych" in today's match. Maybe we have different understanding of what a good referee should be, I get this, but I just do not understand why people can't admit that Brych did not do a good job today. Maybe Brych will stay in this EURO, but I would give him "below average" in terms of performance, and I give "terrible" if comparing to his own performance in this tournament & the entire season.
DeleteAnd I totally agree with you, Forlan, especially the last sentence of your comment
DeleteCroatian Television referee expert, ex-FIFA Mario Strahonja:
ReplyDeleteBrych was not in the game today at all. Lukaku did not earn a yellow card when he was pulled, he (Brych) completely lost the game. After that you have a situation when he let the advantage and awarded Palhinha a yellow card. It should have been a second yellow and red card." said Strahonja and added:
"If Brych had given a yellow card for the first foul, he wouldn't have given an advantage in this one. He didn't respect and didn't protect the players. That Pepe foul ... even if you don't see what he did and the players gathered around him, you can send him off. Brych gave a yellow card and Pepe laughs at him afterwards. I think UEFA will be very unhappy with his performance today."
Exactly my thoughts - a referee, who does not care about the safety of the players, does not deserve any respect.
DeleteAgree with this analysis. I saw a too lenient approach which did lead to missed YCs, failure to protect the (Belgian) players, and in it laid to the mass confrontation (Loss of control) and a scandalous tackle by Pepe deserving of a RC. I didnt see the expected level performance today of Brych, even taking into account that this was a very challenging match indeed...and Brych imo should have known that this wasnt a match for a "laissez-vaire" approach. It for me at max is a 7.9 performance.
DeleteThe 2nd YC argument is rather weak, I think. Palhinha probably wouldn't have made that tackle, if he had gotten a YC before.
DeleteI’m sorry, but do I understand correctly that EX FIFA referee Mr. Strahonja:
Delete- recommends issuing a RC for the sole fact that many players gather around Pepe without having seen what eye exactly did?
- seems to know for sure that if Palhinha was cautioned at first instance, he for sure would have committed the 2nd offence (and would be sent off consequently)?
Regardless of the final conclusion I hope Mr Strahonja was still a bit dazzled by the intensity of match, otherwise I think these statements were ridiculous for an ex-FIFA referee acting as tv-expert….
At Philipp S - this is exactly the point - that referee's actions/no actions actually have bigger impact on the game than many referee recognize. How many times I am reading here that a missed YC is not a big deal. Of course it is. A good example from today - if Palhinha had received a YC for Lukaku's pulling, he probably wouldn't have committed the foul against De Bruyne and would't have injured him. By his actions Brych clearly showed that he does not care about the safety of the players and do not respect them.
DeletePhilipp S, I guess that it's your comment that doesn't add up. We're talking about what happened de facto, while you're mentioning what you consider a likely scenario.
DeleteAnonymous 00:29 What happened de facto is that the first offence wasn’t sanctioned with a YC, so when talking about a 2nd YC you start the ‘what if’ scenario.
DeletePhilipp S is completely correct! One can’t say what would have happened when the first YC would have been issued. I also agree with Anonymous 00:18 though that ignoring all to easily mandatory YC’s does have an impact on the match, i.e. offending players are offered an extra opportunity to foul.
I guess I was clear but here we go again. My point is that Palhinha actually committed two fouls deserving of a YC. Whether a booking for the first incident would prevent him from committing the second fo is another debate, but not cautioning Palhinha first will always be a mistake. So, Philipp S is exposing Brych's wrongdoing while trying to defend the referee.
DeleteBrych has never been able to referee a match abiding by the laws but using understanding of the game at the same time. He tried to do so tonight and got completely lost.
ReplyDeleteI do think also we should have in mind that not everything is controllable and that players can influence the game a lot, both in the good and the bad way. On another occasion it could have been an easier game, and then everyone would praise Brych for a fantastic job.
DeleteToday Bas Nijhuis was on TV again. He still doesn't realize that this really isn't possible. As an active international referee (for how long?) this is not even allowed. Brych was not good according to Nijhuis and will probably go home because Siebert is better. Makkelie whistles better than Kuipers. That's not how you talk about your colleague What is this man doing?
ReplyDeleteFor me it sounds a bit like comedy but this man actually is a FIFA referee judging about his colleagues in TV.
DeleteWhoow Anonymous 00:00, whatever you think of Bas Nijhuis being part of a tv show, please provide correct informations!
DeleteNijhuis did NOT say Brych wasn’t good, he did NOT say Siebert is the better referee of the two.
He did say that Brych allowed a lot in the 1st half, and tightening the reins in the 2nd due to the risk of the game boiling over. He then mentioned Siebert, “the other German referee, who is a very good referee as well”. In no single instance he said, or even implied, that Brych should go home. So fair enough if you consider Nijhuis’ presence in the show inappropriate (don’t know though how you come to the conclusion that it’s not allowed), but you’re spreading wrong informations and that I find reprehensible.
Strengths: Usual calm self, had respect of players (obvious they know him so well from Champions League, etc) and superb fitness. He tried to let game flow. Overall, no crucial key errors.
ReplyDeleteIssues:
Couple of spells where game felt like it was getting away from him.
Lukaku pull back - can’t punish player for staying on feet and he was cynically impeded. Think he just missed it rather than advantage (unlucky angle).
While his calm body language is normally an asset, during the periods when the tempo was clearly rising, I felt he needed to get closer and show stronger / firmer body language.
Portugal often very tricky to referee at tournaments - especially when game is not going their way - and it is almost impossible to sort out the diving, rolling around, sly niggling at opponents. UEFA must have known this was going to be tough to referee in the style of this tournament.
@Forlan
ReplyDeleteYou probably have a problem with people who have a mind and opinion of their own, who do NOT always follow the so called 'majority'.
I go with what I see with my own eyes, and simply NOT what the 'majority' says.
First and foremost, FOOTBALL IS ABOUT the PLAYERS and NOT the referee!!!
Many lovers of football on TV and social media are praising how intense today's KO game was, and NOBODY is talking about the referee.
Even the commentators on BBC and BT Sports were praising the ref. But on this blog, almost everybody wants to kill the ref for not issuing a YC or RC for every foul. Most people want to tear the referee apart for every tiny incident that they consider to be a mistake.
For me, I believe many people on this blog have forgotten that football is an intense game. Football is NOT poker or snooker or ballet. It is a battle. So it is not a crime for players to show some emotion once in a while.
And when player(s) show(s) passion or emotion inside a game and there's a little confrontation, it does NOT automatically mean that the ref has lost control. Which is the conclusion that many people here jump into. Today's match was an expectedly hot KO match between two big teams (World number 1 Vs Defending Champions), and the referee handled the game perfectly, given the circumstances.
In my opinion, his only major error was failing to issue a YC for shirt pulling
by Palhinha in the first half, and that in itself is not a big deal.
NOBODY in the Portuguese or Belgian team is blaming the ref in their post match interviews, which is always a great sign of a referee's performance.
And I HONESTLY think Brych's performance was GREAT tonight. He AVOIDED the same errors that got Lahoz into trouble.
Lahoz in Fra Vs Por over-refereed the game, and got himself into trouble. Everyone was talking about the referee after that game.
But Brych avoided that wrong method and I am 100% sure that UEFA & Rosetti will be very pleased.
The Belgian press actually criticized Brych.
DeleteBut the Belgian team themselves did NOT.
DeletePeriodt!!!
As for your claim that the press (journalists) are criticizing him, please provide us with your source/evidence that proves that he got widespread criticism
Lawaj, every commentator harshly criticized Brych for a terrible performance. In Portugal, Belgium, everywhere. Stop pretending nothing happened. It's just ridiculous. Brych did actually receive widespread criticism and deservedly so.
DeleteThe swiss journalist also criticized Brych
DeleteI haven't gone through all 200+ comments, but is no one here talking about the fact that Kevin De Bruyne, the star player for Belgium, had to leave the match through injury suffered via a horrendous challenge that endangered his safety?
ReplyDeleteI know I read ridiculous comments about it not even being a foul when it occurred. But, several hours after the match no one has come to the conclusion that maybe--just maybe--that was a critical match error?
The lack of sophistication and introspection here with some of the analysis is truly mind-boggling. Brych had a poor match. And I'm usually a pretty big fan. He was off all night. Seemed flustered. Missed easy fouls. It was a poor display. He only "got through it" on reputation and because the scoreline stayed 1-0. I'm very surprised that not only are people pretending otherwise, but they seem to be praising him.
Anonymous28 June 2021 at 00:18
DeleteAt Philipp S - this is exactly the point - that referee's actions/no actions actually have bigger impact on the game than many referee recognize. How many times I am reading here that a missed YC is not a big deal. Of course it is. A good example from today - if Palhinha had received a YC for Lukaku's pulling, he probably wouldn't have committed the foul against De Bruyne and would't have injured him. By his actions Brych clearly showed that he does not care about the safety of the players and do not respect them.
+1
DeleteAt first it seemed Palhinha only touched the ball but replays show it was a tackle on De Bruyne. I think Brych lost the trust of the committee in this tournament. They don't now what might come out his job. That is the worst feeling a referee can project.
DeleteAnonymous 07:24, absolutely!
DeleteUsaref; again I totally agree with your opinion. Brych had a poor game, no doubt about that. Players like de Bruyne must be protected against foul play. The missed pulling of Lukaku and not recognizing mean fouls are examples of Brych’s mediocre performance. Any objective assessor will come to that conclusion. These thinks can happen in any referee career; it is a pity that it happend at such a big occacion.
DeleteWhen taking into account a referees responsability to protect the fysical integrity of the players, it’s actually quite easy to assess the performance of team Brych. It was not good. Simple as that.
ReplyDeleteBelgian commentators actually used the right words during the game: “Brych is losing control”. He definitely was, for everyone to see.
Palhinha's tackle on De Bruyne was NOT horrendous. Yes, he clearly caught De Bruyne, but he also got the ball.
ReplyDeleteIt was a clear and deserved YC tackle, and a football person can clearly see that Palhinha was clearly going for the ball, and it was only unfortunate that he caught De Bruyne in the process.
As a defending midfielder, Palhinha had every right to make that tackle. It was a honest tackle to protect his team, it was just unfortunate that he inadvertently catch the Belgian talisman.
YC and nothing more.
No matter how a referee handles a game, injuries are sometimes inevitable. It's an occupational hazard for players IN a contact sport like football.
And I genuinely do feel sorry for Belgium and De Bruyne about his injury. I hope he returns soon enough for Friday's QF.
My thoughts on the performance:
ReplyDelete- Brych was good in NEDUKR, worse in FINBEL (foul detection) but today he chose a totally wrong approach from the beginning and it should be his last performance at this EURO
- I can't understand the comments stating Brych was good (or even excellent) today. It was surely the worst performance regarding foul detection at this tournament (only Grinfeld's one is comparable).
- Such experienced referee should know that you can't try to handle games involving Portugal in a laid-back (in fact it was 'disinterested' in the first half) manner. So many big players, big egos, big personalities on the pitch. You can't manage them by simply being there and struggling in basic things like foul detection and prevention.
- Foul detection was the biggest problem today but I would mention also a totally missed prevention like calm but firm warnings, stepped disciplinary approach, etc. But Brych made it almost impossible not being able to set the tone by spotting/selecting offences at first through the whole game. In some cases his team members helped him but it caused significant delays between a foul being committed and whistle being blown. The players at such level knows very well when the referee underperforms but fortunately we didn't face another Battle for Nurnberg.
- The tackle on De Bruyne was VERY reckless, the YC given is a good decision but theoretically a RC would've been fully supportable as well. Tackle from behind targeted on the ball but totally ignoring the safety of an opponent. Strong knee/calf hit on the ankle from behind. But here I don't blame Brych. I guess no UEFA referee would have shown a RC in such a game for such an infringement in the first half.
- Brych slightly changed his approach when he realised the game was starting to get out of hand. Although it was inconsistent with what he offerred before (keeping both eyes closed to almost everything) but it helped him (or rather the players helped him) to prevent the worst.
I guarantee you that Brych is going to get an 8.0 mark at most. And he can thank players if the mark won't be a 7.7. A pity because I saw him even in better form than Kuipers but he failed the big exam today.
I totally agree; well done!
DeleteIf any referees here have been assessed before I'm sure you also would, like me, go straight to a particular section of your assessment report. That section is the KMI or the KMD section, which stands for Key Match Incidents or Key Match Decisions. These ultimately will decide how you are judged.
ReplyDeleteSo if we judge this performance by KMI's I think Brych will continue in the tournament (even if it's just as a fourth official) depending on Germany's progress.
Let me tell you that I'm a Felix Brych fan but he let us all down tonight. Taking a Portugal match requires firmness and full attention on all levels (Portuguese players have big egos/ super intense spirit) and he failed across the board. Honestly I think he did not prepare conveniently for such a big clash, which is going to cost him dear. He just didn't prevent anything. I understand and appreciate the fact that he tried to use a more balanced approach as far as cards are concerned but that can never mean turning a blind eye to harsh tackles, dissent, etc.. I'm sure unfortunately Committee lost confidence in Brych for the final aftee this match. He had two easy matches in GS and didn't rise to the occasion when he had to in tonight's big test.
ReplyDeleteIt is inexplicable to me why he always succeeds in UEFA club competitions, but he cannot repeat those high level performances in big tournaments: WC2014, WC2018 and now Euro 2020...
ReplyDeleteBrych's chances of getting another game don't exist. There's no way he can get away with such a bad performance in all aspects, as pointed out by other users. Plus, Belgian press is drawing very HARD criticism at him.
ReplyDeleteFor what? The de Bruyne incident?
DeleteAnonymous please take a break and cut Brych some slack. You are just full of bitterness and hatred. Please admin you need you to do more to curb cc lear sentimental comments like these one coming from the so called 'Anonymous'.
DeleteOne or two missed YC does not mean Brych is a disaster or a novice. Please show some respect!
Joe facts are facts. The belgian commentator even mentioned it: "Brych has lost it" and unfortunately i have to agree
DeleteGozie Joe, accept the reality because no one here is to cover it up. Reactions to Brych's performance have been highky negative everywhere. Committee is not sleeping. They don't live in an alternative reality like yourself.
DeleteBrych was very good. I hope that he Will Charge of in SF/F.
ReplyDeleteAs John McEnroe said, "are you serious????"
DeleteYes im serious. im not troll like u.
DeleteActually you're the one who is doing nothing but trolling. And you keep on doing that, which is even worse.
DeleteMikael , when can we expect your excellent analyses of the four matches so far? They are always a pleasure to read!
ReplyDeleteafter reading a lot of disgraceful comments i first thought not to give my opinion. apart from the admins and the more experienced commentators, the rest here seems only to do bashing. that's sad as they keep being in their own echo-spiral. the lack of respect is shocking.
ReplyDeletehowever...and due to my philantropist nature, my suggestions on the KMIs:
17' collision between witsel and moutinho, i think a simple foul call would have been the best. defense has the ball, so they decide...in a ko-match you dont wanna waste your fist yc for such a wabbly accidental challenge. it surely isnt reckless, as they both challenge for the ball and moutinho is even trying to avoid contact...
24' handball vermaelen. i think clear handball. is this spa? issuing a yc here might have been a good option. but again: in a ko-match you want a crystal clear "opener"
37' crystal clear opener missed. lukaku is held almost from center circel to the box. perfect to wait, if advantage applies and as it doesnt, delayed whistle + yc. brych clearly missed it as he had very bad angle on the scene and couldnt see the holding. sad, but it's important to always get a good angle from the side and not only from the back...
45' second "crystal clear opener"...this time excellent application of advantage and good attack by belgium, yellow card issued after that situation. one can argue this should have been the syc...yes, thats correct. but does anyone think that the portugese player would have challenged like that if he was booked before? surely not...
51' correct yc for kicking the ball away, not much to debate about it
72' crystal clear yellow card against vermaelen, nothing to debate
76' complex situation where i ask myself, what could you do better? brych stops play long before the tackle of pepe. goes to lukaku as he sees that he has a head-injury (no foul as head goes down). then belgium plays on, hazard "wins the ball" and starts with the dribbling, when play is long dead. pepe then with the "foul" (can you call a foul in a deadball situation?). i then think they solved it well in the team, avoided further yellow cards for unsportsmanlike conduct. AR1 and FO with spot-on sprints to the scene. good cooperation and prevention!
can this be avoided? NO! referee stops the play due to head-injury from lukaku some 5-10 seconds before the two follow-up challenges, the whistle was loud and clear. if hazard wants to continue, well, let him...but dont pamper him when someone gets mad at him...
81' crystal clear yellow card for alderweireld...also here, nothing to debate.
critical rc incidents: 0
critical penalty indidents: 0
after the match: nobody talks about the referees!!! and that is exactly what uefa wants. i checked most important newspapers this morning from both countries, nothing bad about the referee...
i wonder about most of the critics here...if the line/approach was too lenient, why was there not a single word of dissent by the players? not a single moment the referee had to really discuss with player or even issue cards for dissent. i didnt find a single issue were you could talk about "mobbing" the referee. even after clear missed yc...natural authority combined with elite fitness level leads to maximum acceptance by the players and coaches.
Deleteafter the match, shake-hands, a quick chat...
i agree with some critics...the line was very lenient, sometimes surely too risky...some more fouls here and there surely would have been the better option...i think we agree that the football match itself was way below expected level. the goal was a clear error by the keeper (most debated incident in the media). cr7 was below par and so was the well praised belgium attack. not much offensive football as neither team wanted to make a mistake and receive a counter attack. hence, not much to do in the boxes...
i guess in the end uefa was happy that nothing happened like in other matches (por-fra, etc.). the referee was not an issue...and in such a match, that could be the final, i think this is what you want as a referee commission. nothing controverial, nothing completely wrong and let them play, give the players the stage...
Grumpy, with all respect to you because your comments are sensible, but you are complete changing the facts. There was no YC for disents simply because Brych refused to show them - there were at least 4 or 5 situations where mosr referees would have shown cards for dissents. Regarding the YC at 45' it cuold have easily been avoided had he shown a card for the same player for the foul on Lukaku earlier. By not doing so he directly endangered the safety of the players (De Bruyne got pretty severe injury) by giving an opportunity of the Portuguese player to make another foul for mandatory YC. About the incident with Pepe it is a clear RC situation as you confirmed by yourself that the challenge came after almost 10 seconds of stopped play. So clearly not intention to play the ball but just to hurt the opponent. So pretty mandatory RC. The reaction of the players after that shows it perfectly well - and actually other missed obligatory cards here for mass confrontation. All in all, my conclusion is that Brych endangered the safety of the players to an extreme degree, showed no respect to them and football in general and completely failed to apply the LoG.
DeleteNewspapers usually open with headers about refereeing only when there were situations requiring (a) controversial referee decision(s) which decides the winner. That was simply not the case in yesterday’s game. Then no mentioning of the referee is hardly a prove of an expected level performance.
DeleteAnd for what it’s worth, Dutch Voetbal International marked Brych with a 3, by far the worst mark of the tournament.
to both anonymous: i agree with a couple of your points! and please let me allow to clarify this
Delete--> at no point i am saying this was a glorious/ excellent/ worldclass performance yestersday, not at all!
i might apply a different approach/perspective in my evaluation of the single events mentioned above. i do agree with you that the chosen line was "brave" to say the least and that i would have prefered a stricter approach. i think we agree that one card is missing. and that the one for pepe could have been a different colour (if it was so crystal clear we must then speak about a missing intervention, right?)
with the handling of dissent i am not so sure. i watched the game closely and never found such blatant mobbing like lahoz or turpin. to be fair, the number of critical incidents was a lot less. yes there were some missed fouls - on both sides, what doesnt make it better.
in the end neither team was blatantly disadvantaged (unlike with lahoz, turpin or dcg), yet the performance wasnt the best. however, i do not belong to the "group of extremists" on this blog and the first anonymous correctly stated that i prefer a "sensible" style of commentating.
also i dont want to be told, that i am "changing facts"...my facts are, that in the most heated duel of the tournament so far there was no talks about the referee, neither from players nor from media. i think that i set the facts straight by saying that i also miss the yc and that i didnt like the way of his application of law12. i personally see no situation were to issue a caution for dissent and hey, this is a "pre-final" so you wanna be sensible. on a potential second yellow card and the tackling probably being avoided when the player would have already been cautioned- well, we dont know...maybe he would have done it anyways (played the ball too btw) or another player would have done an even more severe tackle...who knows...
with the mass confrontation, yes one could have issued further yellow cards. how furious would this blog have been: "brych - the card player" - "showing no personality" - "the super pedantic german strikes again"...technically there could have been dozens of yellow cards...to sanction pepe as the initiator, i think was also sensible. i personally would have prefered a red card, due to my personal antipathy against pepe. apparently var and uefa supervisor couldnt find anything convincing for a red card, so i think yc is also supportable.
i hope this sets my facts straight, and i do not run into further allegations of "changing the facts"
Dear grumpy ref; big compliment for your thougtfull professionel comments. Very nice to read. I personally only miss in your assesment the feeling that at some point in the second half I did had the feeling that he lost the control for a couple of minutes and that should never happen at this level. Greetings!
Deletegrumpy-ref, there was a lot of talk by media. Brych was harshly criticized both by Portuguese and Belgian journalists and commentators. There's no way to cover up such a terrible performance.
Deletehi marjon, thank you, that is quite nice to read. and i highly appreciate it :-) i agree with you on the lack of control/ match-management. i tried to summarise this under the "brave" approach and mentioned that i didnt like the application of law12 ;-) i think we mean the same thing, just the wording is a bit different :-)
DeleteIn Italy on thursday will know promotions and desposals from Serie A and B. We just know that 4 referees and 6 assistants will go to home. On 2021/2022 we will have 49 referees, 86 assistants and 4 VARs. Age limits: 46; for 15 best referees and 28 best assistants: 50.
ReplyDeleteBrych is for sure an absolute top referee, no doubt about that. However, if Committee is hard but fair towards Lahoz, Turpin etc., it is not imagineable that Brych will get another match as head referee in this tournament. I am only a Belgian, but even morer Belgian newspapers, who generally do not comment on the UEFA referees, were very critical towards his performance of yesterday evening. The most sonorous commentators and journalist are unisono : poor performance. Now, that can happen, even Brych is only a human being, but if he now gets another match in this tournament, then I am sure about political interventions (as I still believe that for example Cakir is basically out since the incident in Slovenia before the eyes of Mr. Alexander Ceferin. Finally, to be really honoust, I find personally that Kuipers performances until now are not above average. Is he then the man to whistle the final ??
ReplyDeleteI can't understand why we constantly talk about the final if the so called top referees are failing in the group stage (Turpin, Lahoz, Makkelie), in 1/8 finals (Brych) or do not convince at all (Kuipers, Orsato and Cakir). Till now the only ones who are perfect are the two Englishmen Taylor and Oliver, and Vincic and Karasev although personally I don't like the last two but I appreciate their performances. An appointment for a final should not be a tribute for a past career but a reward for your job at the current tournament. So following these principles I don't mind a surprise for the final - Taylor or Oliver, or even Vincic or Karasev in case of England one of the finalist.
ReplyDeleteÇakir has not been convincing thus far? In my view, he and Taylor have been doing brilliantly up to now. Two serious candidates to the final.
DeleteAjajaja, English fan boy woke up :)
DeleteCakir not convince? He did good jobs, no problem. Makkelie failing like Mateu/Turpin? That’s why he get England-Germay? Funny you!
I agree Michael Oliver has been in impressive form.
DeleteKuipers, Çakir, Taylor, Makkelie and Orsato are the hot favorites for the final now. But I think we cannot rule out a surprise. Let'see how things will unfold.
ReplyDeleteFirst of all, I am a bit disappointed reading all the comments in the last 24 hours. I agree that it was a bad performance by Brych and his tournament should be over. But some comments were just really toxic, full of hate and something I didn't expect from this blog. Brych deserves the bad reviews, but certainly not in such an unacceptable tone as from many (mostly anonymous) users here.
ReplyDeleteIt is definitely way too early to talk about the final IMO. Brych was a favourite but ruled himself out after yesterdays performance. The same can happen to other referees. I am most impressed by Taylor, Vincic and Karasev so far. I also liked Oliver and Siebert. All with good performances. Also we need to take into consideration the nationalities of referees. If England beat Germany for example, I'm not sure we'll see Taylor/Oliver again. What if Makkelie, Orsato, Cakir or Kuipers have bad performances in their next match? Surely they wouldn't get any further appointments.
That's why it's too early to talk about the final IMO.
Dominik, I completely agree with your assessment about Taylor, Oliver, Vincic, Siebert and Karasev. They impressed me also and I must confess that I was pleasantly surprised by Vincic, Karasev and especially Siebert. About Brych though, I find the comments even soft. Because as many people stated he showed a complete lack of care about the safety of the players and a total ignorance of the LoG. We don't speak about a separate mistake or incident, we speak about attitude to football. And I think that it is unacceptable.
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DeleteFirst of all, thanks for the comment. I don't know if you felt indirectly addressed by my comment but seeing the way you've phrased your comment now, I can assure you I definitely wasn't talking about you then. :)
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and you have expressed your opinion in an appropriate way. The majority of the comments I was talking about were in the first discussion thread about said performance and the inappropriate ones have been deleted thanks to the Admin-Team. I don't want to go into too much detail, but some of what was written was really disrespectful.
Agree with Dominik. Brych was bad yesterday, but in general he's a good referee and doesn't deserve "hate"-reviews. I guess last night many people commented while still "warmed up" by the game itself.
DeleteApart from the technical question of whether Brych made "critical" mistakes (IMO he did: Pepe should have gotten a red card, without any doubt - the fact that Brych had stopped the game seconds before shouldn't be an excuse, Pepe's action is a pure and simple case of aggression), the general issue is that Brych created an atmosphere in which the Portuguese felt that serious fouls (either in terms of preventing dangerous counter-attacks or in terms of putting Belgian players' physical safety in danger) were going to get past without serious consequences.
Now, whether that is sufficient reason to send Brych home: only Uefa will tell. Plenty of games to go, many referees still needed, and (assuming he himself realizes that it was a bad performance) hopefully we can trust that Brych will do better next time.
"hopefully we can trust that Brych will do better next time.". Things cannot work like this. Otherwise let's call all the other refs who had bad dsplays, excuse them for the mistakes and give them another opportunity. There has to be the same treatment for everyone. If Brych stays in the tournament, then performance means absolutely nothing and Committee loses all credit.
DeleteI thought there was some negative and positive points to Brych's performance , the second half was quite challenging. He played an excellent advantage on the KDB challenge. I think it was excellent team work on the major flashpoint as his assistant on the touchline that was near the Pepe flashpoint when he stopped play for the Lukakus head injury reacted very quickly to the confrontation. I would imagine he and his team probably saw it coming as the game was just simmering up to that level. Fowl detection may not have not been on point for the 90 minutes but overall I thought it was a good performance in a very challenging game.
ReplyDeleteIt is beyond my understanding how someone can seriously deem Brych's performance "good". No one here wants to "destroy" him. We just can't cover up an extremely poor display. As some have already underlined, I think people on general have been soft towards Brych considering how bad his management was.
DeleteYou are most entitled to your opinion, I can see there are many different views and points on here from last night, ultimately the opinion that matter to Brych and his team is UEFA Committee and Mr Rossetti. Then there would be bus own opinion on he felt the game went. I personally felt a good performance in terms of the difficulty level the match presented not everything was perfect from different aspects of his game in terms of how he performed as the match official. I would be confident in thinking that he will receive another appointment in this tournament depending on Germany's progession of course.
DeleteIt's your opinion, sure. I'm absolutely convinced Committee will assess Brych's performance im a completely different fashion, though. Can't be another option given what happened last night.
DeleteAs Portuguese, When I saw in live the tackle of Palhinha, I directly told "Red card" but I can live with the YC.
ReplyDeleteWhen I saw the act of PEPE, I also told myself "RC !", but YC, and after with the zoom on PEPE face and his laugh, I saw directly that PEPE was thinking "cool I just have a YC" and at this moment for me PEPE won, Brych loosed.
So, people here tell that Brych did a good perf because he was not criticized but it's normal, The Belgium team won so doesn't want to do a scandale, Portugal know that they were lucky to end the game with 11 player. If the Portugal won the match, I think it would be another stay about the performance of Brych.
It's the way I see it
I think we should not "set aside" four or five expected names in our predictions for the final. Some less experienced referees have been performing well and we never know (Karasev, Vincic, Hategan, Oliver).
ReplyDeleteMy opinion:
ReplyDeleteFinal: Kuipers
semifinals: two between Orsato (if Italy out) Del Cerro Grande (if Spain out), Cakir, Taylor
I am pretty sure that we will see Brych in the next round of this tournament.
ReplyDeleteI am pretty sure it would be a scandal if Brych was given another game in this tournamwnt.
ReplyDeleteIn this case, you should be prepared for a scandal.
DeleteThe worst for Brych is that one will always fear what might come out of his job. He has lost technical stability and that is the message no referee wants to project. I think the Committee doesn't want to take risks at this stage.
DeleteLOL, nice joke ;)
Delete"In this case, you should be prepared for a scandal". Nice joke ;)
DeleteI would agree if Brych's performance was really as bad as some on this blog claim. But apart from minor details, his performance was absolutely fine. From my point of view, he had total control of the game and the commission won't send him home because of this game.
Delete"Absolutely fine"? The Belgian and the Portuguese press criticized him. Brych simply lost his criterion and stability. Tried to manage the game but has no knack for that. Abandoning his usual line was a huhe mistake and he has never found himself again. If it weren't for the players at some point, it would have been the chaos.
DeleteI do not agree with you. And I am glad that the international press is not a factor for the Uefa Commission.
DeleteI do not say it is a factor. It just shows that Brych's unfortunate night was not only reported on this blog. Wide perception that he was way below par.
DeleteThere is nothing special about critical situations being picked up by a team's national press. Only the evaluation by the commission is relevant. We'll all know more in a few days. I wouldn't be surprised if Brych is allowed to stay in the tournament.
DeleteI can only see Brych as a 4th offcial. Any other scenario would be an infringement of the performance principle and super unfair for referees like Karasev, Vincic or Oliver who have had convincing displays.
DeleteKarasev needs the help of VAR for an DOGSO. So he is probably out of the tournament. The performance of Vincic and Oliver was ok, it remains to be seen whether they will still receive a game in this tournament. In the end, it all depends on how the referees national teams do.
DeleteHelp of VAR is not a reason to send a referee home. VAR is there exactly to assist the ref. That one from De Ligt was al most impossible to spot. Another thing is Brych's total loss of control and incoherent criterion, technically and also on discipline.
DeleteThe DOGSO from de Ligt was very possible to spot to be honest, especially for AR2. But it was nothing that the public would see as crucial mistake by Karasev.
DeleteKarasevs mark is with this crucial mistake down to a 7.9 - thats for sure. And Brych won't get a 7.9 for yesterday's game.
DeleteNo Brych will get an even lower mark in my book
DeleteBrych will get 7.7 at best.
Deletewith one missing disciplinary sanction and one area of improvement (foul detection) i think this will go somewhere between 8.1-8.2
DeleteThanks grumpy-ref. I agree. A 7.7 is absolute nonsense.
DeleteFormer Portuguese UEFA referee Duarte Gomes on Portugal's SIC Notícias: "Brych lost the final with his performance".
ReplyDeleteWc2014, wc2018... and the story is repeating now... very unfortunate for an otherwise top referee...
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I will be short: This referee is the sole reason Kevin De Bruyne got injured during the Portugal match any other available referee would have done a better job.
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